What's /g/'s opinion on the increasing amount of technology in cars?
>giant touchscreen in the dash
>smaller screens instead of analog gauges on some models
>proximity keys with no real key blade
>some cars even come with 4G LTE hotspots standard now
>integrated telematics to report vehicle problems to the manufacturer
>now many manufacturers working on smartphone integration
Is technology in the auto industry going in the right direction? Or is the focus/types of technology being promoted wrong for the application?
I'd ask /o/ but they circlejerk about analog buttons and dials forever while going "muh miata" because, in their opinion, the board is not about technology in cars, it's about cars. So my thread topic focuses on the technology area.
>giant touchscreen in the dash
distracting, and the GPS software can't be readily upgraded and is shit
>smaller screens instead of buttons
I fucking hate touchscreens in all applications.
whatever, they're cool.
>4G LTE Hotspots
seems nice for sedans, wouldn't use it while driving
fixes the inbuilt GPS problem, I'm not big on smartphones personally.
>It's a cash grab. If cars came with the same tech we had 10 years ago, they'd be way cheaper now. They need to justify that they're still selling economy cars for $20,000
Cars do actually become less reliable and as such useful as they age you know
I work at a car rental company, and I get to drive current year cars daily. I MUCH prefer analog controls. Can you imagine how shitty it is to have your radio, air conditioning, and gps all be reliant on one big touch screen? And these things freeze up pretty often. You have to restart the entire car like a shitty computer just to get it to work again. This is why I just take the bus, normally.
Mixed bag. I like the modern audio systems and phone integration. GPS is nice but I'm rarely fond of the software. Key thing is alright but mostly a gimmick. Other digital controls outright annoy me because they're not done with the philosophy of "one tool for one job, do it well."
It's been a slow crawl toward nice ideas. I keep meaning to skip ahead and do it up my own way, but I'm too lazy and it'll get outdated soon enough.
This guy again, another thing that sucks about touch screen controls is that they have arbitrary speed limits. As in, if you wanted to turn the ac from hot to cold, you'd have to go "tap...tap...tap..." decreasing the temperature by one or two degrees each time. It's infuriating to someone used to just turning a dial in less than a second. Same goes for radio tuning. Some even LAG, and you end up over-tapping and having to waste MORE time backtracking. I'm only going 5 MPH in a parking garage, but I can imagine some poor schlub slamming into someone because he was fucking around with a laggy touch screen hunk of shit.
Especially shitty since I have to reset the bass,treble, and midrange in every car since the people we rent to think bass MAX, mid +5 and treble minus 10 equals thug lyfe. Fuck this thread, it triggered me.
Just get the fucking base trim of whatever car. They are usually the right balance of features and Analog knobs. Plus rear view cameras are really handy.
Bluetooth is standard now and is pretty handy:
> get in car
> leave phone in pocket
> phone pairs with stereo and continues music/podcasts right where it left off
>I work at a car rental company, and I get to drive current year cars daily. I MUCH prefer analog controls. Can you imagine how shitty it is to have your radio, air conditioning, and gps all be reliant on one big touch screen? And these things freeze up pretty often. You have to restart the entire car like a shitty computer just to get it to work again. This is why I just take the bus, normally.
This. I am a car mechanic and i feel like im working in it. Fuck new cars and their shit electronics.
I'm in it for a lot longer than 5 seconds, I have to clean up after these slobs. I have to crank the heat up since minnesotan winters are cold as fuck, then reset it back to 72 when I'm done so the next customer doesn't get blasted in the face with hot air/the deodorizer we spray into the vents. I have to reset the equalizer, temp, adjust time zone if necessary,eject any cds they forgot, cancel routing and delete route history, unsync and delete any Bluetooth phones....all of which use this touch screen control.
It depends on the manufacturer but base trims are usually pretty fucking stripped down and are missing a lot of nice features. Usually the price difference is minimal too.
>Ford fusion S starts at $21.9
>midlevel SE Trim starts $23,445
I rent from Hertz every week and they just leave the positions on the controls as is, don't unpair any bluetooth shit, no CDs are ejected or navigation touched, etc....
Also, with digital touchscreen HVAC controls, at least in my Ford temperature affects the fan speed but only in the sense that it won't crank up the fan speed until the engine actually has hot air to provide to the cabin, so if you leave it on 72F it will start the car and only start blowing the air hard when feasible.
The Quad Cities is cold enough for me, I'm glad my client isn't in MN (some of my coworkers have to go there to work onsite at Target, Cargill, etc.).
I don't have a related pic, so here's a pic of my dog on my lap for no good reason.
Cars haven't legitimately advanced beyond a superficial level for the last 15+ years. They're still massively overpriced and haven't anywhere near tapped the real potential of fuel injection systems, which is unsurprising, given that carburetors never were either.
There isn't really any progress in automotive engineering. I view it as nearly solid state.
And if none of the number captcha actually work, why are they even there? They almost always return a "you fucked up the captcha" response even when they're right, and then move on to the pain in the ass inkblot type.
>implying plug-in hybrid, EV, and hybrid research hasn't increased dramatically
Automakers have to figure out ways to meet insane CAFE requirements while adding weight for airbags and safety shit somehow
Tell that to my '92 Camry that still works like new. The only things not working are the retractable antenna (doesn't retract) and a loose connection in the rear right door (no central lock, have to plug that back in eventually).
And mom put some dents and scrapes in it while it was hers.
Start car, it's -5 C outside, turn heat to max, have warm car after 5 mins, turn down heat to keep it at a nice temperature instead of cooking alive.
You're wrong. Twenty years ago, you got around 80 HP / litre in your average car, now you're at 120 - 150 HP / litre. The aforementioned Camry has a 2.2L I4 with 136 HP (100kW) (5S-FE for those who care), now can get a 2.5L V6 with 266 HP in a regular car (2GR-FE) or more than 300 HP (2GR-FSE) if turbocharged. All of this with lower emissions, higher efficiency and similar reliability.
What makes cars unreliable is the huge amounts of sensors spread all over the place - for the better and the worse.
Another thing that has happened is a finally successful downsizing of motors with higher reliability turbochargers (often tagged with stupid names like "EcoBoost" or something). With modern motor control electronics, it's easier to keep your average idiot from destroying the turbo within a few years (coking, cold start, etc).
I remember last year, that polar vortex shit. -20 degrees Fahrenheit, and wind, and we still had to be out cleaning in it. Our bottles of cleaning chemicals kept freezing, and the car wash nozzles had to keep beong chipped out, and cleaning the windshield was a no go, since everything would flash freeze upon touching that cold glass. Ice piled up 6 inches high at the exit to the wash because of the water dripping from the cars, sliding around.
9 bucks an hour. Thug life.
Most cars today have USB ports
My Ford with Sync has USB but I pretty much only use it to slow my phone's battery drain while using Google Navigation, it's worthless for charging though. Bluetooth audio is super convenient though.
Most of that is just novelties and entertainment shit and barely scratches the surface of the tech inside a modern car. Just about everything in a modern car is controlled by a computer, to the point where we're about to have self-driving cars. There's millions of lines of code in your car, a lot of it for critical systems, and if shit glitches it's not only a bitch to repair but could also quite possibly kill you. And the best part is that most of it is unregulated, so we're all just assuming that manufacturers are taking due diligence in QA.
I still use cars with Iphone holders.
I'm driving a '94 VR commodore, it has all the features I need.
I'd rather not have a built in GPS, I don't want to have to send the car back to the manufacture just because the software fucked up.
>What's /g/'s opinion on the increasing amount of technology in cars?
I absolutely do not want touchscreen computers. I just can't imagine buying a car that has all the controls on a touchscreen computer. Physical controls are much easier for me to use.
Aside from that, I don't have much of a problem with technological advancement. The extra complexity and expense of modern cars can be a bad thing, but I welcome the improvements in safety, economy, and emissions.
>Giant touchscreen in the dash
Distracting as fuck. Also whatever software it runs will be outdated pretty soon. I'd rather use my phone or a phablet.
>Smaller screens instead of analog gauges on some models
But I like the old gauges...
>Proximity keys with no real key blade
I don't trust any technology that runs "through the air" when it comes to opening locks and such.
>Some cars even come with 4G LTE hotspots standard now
Why would you even want that when ou can have 4G on your phone?
>Integrated telematics to report vehicle problems to the manufacturer
Could be useful, although even more useful if you could look at it yourself.
>Now many manufacturers working on smartphone integration
Bluetooth for sound along with media controls on the steering wheel and an "Okay Google" button would be nice...
I rent from Enterprise once or twice a week, they never delete the pairings for any BT devices either from what I can tell. Never really been impressed with any car I have rented from them, but I can't say that I would put a lot of effort into cleaning a filthy car that will come back filthy too
I am curious how this stuff ends up being allowed by NHTSA.
What happens when massive glare and you can't read any of this shit?
I don't like all the big brother features built into cars now. They all have GPS enabled 24/7, even if you don't subscribe to the service. They all have remote shutoff enabled for law enforcement.
>They all have remote shutoff enabled for law enforcement
Gonna need a source on that one. If it's true, then a capable individual could remotely and effortlessly cause a car crash, or prevent someone from fleeing.
Look, that's just the public feature we know about. I'm saying all cars made after 200x are required by the Patriot Act or some other draconian law to have a remote shutdown feature. Also, if the car has any kind of GPS built in, it's tracking you even if you aren't paying a subscription to any service.
I have an 01 corolla. I put in a Kenwood radio with Bluetooh. Best fucking decision I ever made. You can say a lot car tech stuff is novelties and bullshit, and frankly a lot of it is. Bluetooth is not, that shit is great. My radio isnt a fancy touch screen, so it just has a small LCD display and otherwise analog buttons. Tells me who is calling, or the song that is playing, that it.
cars are expensive for 3 reasons:
Safety Standards - More Safety appliances mean more expense
Emissions Standards - R&D and rollout of emissions technologies is an expense
Average Loan Duration - cars are expected to last the duration of the average auto loan (5-6 years), they have to work perfectly (more or less) until they are traded in at the end of the loan. this is an expense.