I think for most the problem lies within Unity. For others it might be because Ubuntu has a more corporate drive force with shines through their products. Others mind find it to 'bloated', meaning it has to much unnecessary software
>>45324895 >Fuck Shuttleworth. And here comes the idiot that barely even uses linux
Canonical loses millions and millions of dollars on the ubuntu desktop, its main source of income is OpenStack and server support. The only reason it exists is because shuttle worth likes it and wants Linux to succeed. Considering hes removing all Amazon shit in the next LTS and even took down Ubuntus cloud services, I really dont see how they are evil besides you just implying anyone with a business is evil. Ubuntu is 100% open source so until the day comes where a leak is found and it turns out everything you do on your computer is recorded and sent to the NSA I dont think its bad to use Ubuntu.
>>45324646 i have ubuntu installed on this laptop, and it's surprisingly become a bloated piece of shit, with processor intensive eye candy bullshit reminiscent of windows Vista. Maybe i've got something configured wrong but it really runs like crap on this mid-range laptop and windows 7 runs like a dream.
>>45325207 Wrong. I use Linux full-time so get your facts right before opening your mouth, retard.
Secondly, that Amazon shit shouldn't have been included in the first place. Canonical *STILL* have not put so much as a warning in the installation that everything you type in the dash gets sent to them. You can be an apologist for Canonical all you like, but they have lost so much respect in the community due to their piss-poor record of ignoring said community and failing to deliver time and time again.
people complaining about unity: why dont you remove it? it is honestly not that hard. or if you dont feel comfortable removing it and installing something else, just use gnome flashback with metacity, something you can install in a few minutes that requires little to no configuration
>>45324646 You should use Ubuntu. You can't access root so you won't be able to break anything horribly important, they've locked it down so you can't find anything to break even if you figured out what RM -rf / did, it includes Amazon search, so you can find things in a convenient environment you understand. I don't see why you shouldn't use it.
i think a lot of people confuse this. unity is not really the DE, gnome is still running underneath it. its a shell for gnome and removing it will not break your computer, although you should install something else to use beforehand
>>45327429 i dont know. i dont use unity and i think its pretty bad. if youre a new user on ubuntu, i strongly recommend you install gnome flashback session, 90% of unity processes will stop running and things will be very smooth. easy to install and configure, looks and acts just like gnome 2.x
later on when youre more comfortable, just remove unity and switch to xfce or something
>>45324646 Ubuntu is fine, my preferred DE is Gnome so I would just install the Gnome meta package or just install Ubuntu from the get go. It's just easy to install any DE on an existing build though. Ubuntu has great support from 3rd parties which is a bonus.
Inb4 Ubuntu fag, I've been mainly a Fedora/Red Hat guy for the past 12 years, before that, Suse. My media centre runs Ubuntu because it has the best support from the XBMC project and it's fine.
It's only inexperienced amatures that promote looking down on popular distros, distros are all just collections of software packages with different default package choices, package managers and configs.
Ubuntu is functionally just fine, as long as you're fine with Unity. Unity's come a long way since it first came out, and while it's not the most light or customizable, it works just fine.
The main reasons /g/ hates Ubuntu are
>used to have Amazon search integrated into the dash (equivalent to start menu on Windows or Spotlight on OS X) that sent every search you typed to Amazon or whatever. You were always able to remove it, but they put an easy graphical option in the Settings menu. Now, they've completely removed it due to the backlash.
>Ubuntu doesn't focus on aligning with FOSS principles. It includes nonfree software and allows you to download nonfree software from their repositories.
>Unity isn't very customizable and uses more resources than other desktop environments. In my experience, it runs fine on pretty much anything, though.
>It's really easy to use, which annoys some people on /g/ because it lowers the barrier for entry to Linux and takes away some of the elitism and exclusivity that was once associated with using Linux.
In my personal opinion, Ubuntu is great. It's my go-to distro. I like Unity. The software's pretty recent and it's quite stable from my experience. Most Linux software is either in Ubuntu's repositories/Software Center or is available in easy .deb packages.
Okay you fucking dumbass were we talking about redhat? No, we are discussing Ubuntu and their releases. I know RHEL is maintained for 10 years, and I don't need your fucking post to tell me that. Jesus christ, just go away already.
>>45328146 In my opinion, yes. My grandmother seems to agree, too.
>grandma's computer >HP Touchsmart (touchscreen all in one computer) >Athlon II x2 240e, HD 3200, 4GB RAM >Windows 7 installed >tons of malware and toolbars, slow as hell >fix it on a monthly basis, spend at least 3 hours a month unfucking it over Teamviewer >make Live USB, drive to grandma's after picking up her prescription >"Hey grandma, I have this software for your computer that I think you'll like. It doesn't get viruses and it's fast." >"Sure anon, I'd give it a go" >spend 5 minutes explaining how to get around in Unity >she uses it off of the persistent live USB for a couple of days >Back up her documents and pictures, install Ubuntu >everything works out of the box, including touch >install teamviewer just in case >this was about 7 weeks ago, only had a couple of phone calls from her asking questions >she's really happy with it >tfw she was going to go out and get an iMac
>>45324646 I used it a lot but frankly Unity is a piece of shit, it's ok if you use meta key and search for what you want, but good luck using the mouse in the Dash, it's useless, far worse than the new Windows 8 menu.
Indeed in Windows you can be quick to do what you want whether you use a keyboard, mouse or both. Every corner of the screen does something, not so in Unity you can't even pin the show desktop button to the bottom of the launcher or add separator between it and the other icons, no customization what so ever. You have a single file manager window minimized, click on the icon in the launcher and it opens another window, I get that there is an apple expose clone and one can use that and pick the window, but this behaviour just ain't logical. The whole top bar is a waste of space, it would have been better if they had a tool to add widgets and applets to it like the taskbar in Mint.
>>45324646 >first time linux user here >tfw just installed debian earlier this week >so far everything werks >installed i3 and now ricing my desktop wish I would have done this sooner. op, don't be afraid to dive into debian if you haven't
>>45330525 Sure you haven't. I've had no problems with ubuntu but as soon as I want to play something fullscreen in debian testing Xorg breaks. If anything debian is perhaps the worst distro in all of linux. And ubuntu somehow polishes that shit
>>45330584 >not debians fault you use shitty nvidia I use intel that works fine with Ubuntu. Face it tard, debian is a giant turd corrupted by poettering and red hat. But go on, keep sucking the systemdick. I'll be using one of the only distros fighting against red hat and poettering's evil ambitions to claim all of Open source
>>45330596 its annoying as fuck to move my hand from the keyboard to the mouse and back and then move the mouse multiple times a minute. with a properly configured window manager I can keep my hands on the keyboard for hours, only taking them off for the occasional soda sip and dab hit. what's wrong with efficiency?
>>45330698 >btw idiot its easy as fuck to use debian without systemd are you going to leave our that it's not recommended by debian devs to do this and that they openly shill systemd now? Keep on sucking poettering cock, faggot
>>45330728 I don't know why you would ever want to do this considering that sid is less stable than arch of all things. Ubuntu LTS is fucking great. They Freeze testing and then add in bug/security patches
>>45330889 DAILY REMINDER Debian didn't mention anything in their newsfeed about systemd breaking systems until an entire week after the problem was constantly being reported. DAILY REMINDER Arch and Fedora informed everybody the day that systemd was first used that systems could possibly break.
>>45331798 >bot net you don't understand what this means
>sends YOUR to amazon No the information amazon receives is masked and the only people who can see it is canonical, which makes sense or else they wouldn't be able to integrate online searching into the dash. This whole online shit can be turned off with just one button, and isn't even included in the next Ubuntu release.
>>45326899 >be me >install debian stable >install openbox >everything works fine, but is also ancient >install wine to try world of warcraft >ancient wine obviously doesnt run it like newer versions do >look around for ways to install more recent versions >see that jessie has a more recent version in the repos >upgrade to jessie >after a reboot everything is 1280x1024 >xrandr doesn't let me change it >try to make a custom xorg.conf >doesn't work >maybe something broke during the update >download debian jessie iso and install >same problem debian stable might be good but it's too old for me to use it as a main OS so I'll stick to ubuntu derivates for now.
>>45326928 That sounds like a gnome issue. I use Debian Testing w/ OpenBox and I don't have any issues, really. >>45331915 Use SMXI to make sure your kernel and GPU driver are installed and up to date.
>>45332098 Not being ignorant. I've tried them all extensively. After using #! I realized Debian was vastly superior. None of the Ubuntu derivatives work with SMXI, so I'd argue Debian is a lot more noob-friendly.
>>45332097 >Use SMXI to make sure your kernel and GPU driver are installed and up to date. I tried updating with apt, confirmed that it was installed, it was probably just a bug in that particular version of Xorg. Ubuntu minimal does the same thing as debian did and it does it better.
Ubuntu is really not that bad. If you want something that'll, for the most part, just work, it's my go-to OS, especially for if I'm fixing someone's fuxed up computer with over 9000 viruses. It makes a nice stopgap til they can find their install media for whichever Windows they happen to use. Plus, I don't have to spend nearly as much time setting things up for them and teaching them, everything they need is already there, and I can usually just load up some youtube tutorial and they're good to go. Myself, I prefer using Debian, because the OS on its own uses less memory, but it still works fine with things like Ubuntu PPAs, with a bit of tweaking. That, and I'm more comfortable using apt.
>>45333385 I've had far MORE headaches with *buntu than any other distro. Please understand that your experiences are vastly different than anyone else's. Power users face a different problem. You probably don't even know how to change your DE/WM.
Just installed Ubuntu to compile a little piece of Android shit with the Android NDK, it's fucking ridiculous how badly it worked. I didn't realize the NDK came with build-tools on Windows, so I'm just gonna use that.
But what the fuck, even bash has switched to some dash shit now so that wouldn't work. It was slow as shit, why have they bloated it out the ass with Unity and Compiz?
I'm curious to know what the Linux community has migrated to away from this turd, is it Fedora or Debian? I guess Debian would suit me better as I'm used to the Ubuntu command line. Debian is old as fuck though.
I stopped using Ubuntu in 2006 so I can't really offer a timely, relevant opinion, but it was a nightmare back then. It always made more sense to do a fresh install than attempt to upgrade between versions. The fact that I had to do that every six months was no fun. I went to Arch after that and had much less issues, despite its reputation.
>tfw you don't want to reinstall your distro every 6 months >tfw Ubuntu LTS quickly gets too old with software >tfw rolling release is nice but Arch is so new that things like Steam or proprietary graphics drivers don't even work properly
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