>>45638203 >implying Don't flatter yourself, it never has been, never will be. There seem to be a few more people acknowledging what Apple does well instead of blindly shitting on them non-stop, but everyone recognizes their many, many flaws, particularly/primarily in terms of desktop computers which most of us care a lot about. They make damn good notebooks but their desktop lineup is almost universally awful, though for an AIO (which no one here would want for ourselves but might be ok for a family) the iMac does some OK stuff, their 5K implementation was cool.
/g/ is going to continue to care about desktops though, and Apple shows no sign of giving a fuck, if anything they've been going in reverse there. TrashcanMac is shit, latest Mac Mini was a flat out downgrade, and I say that as an old Mac Pro owner. So /g/ will not like Apple, have no fear.
>>45638366 nah, /g/ barely matters on 4chan so computer platform wars are also pretty irrelevant overall, /v/ shitposts more about consoles in a week then /g/ will whine about linux/mac/windows in a year. More "cowardly" would have been typical stormfag stuff, at least until based moot blew the fuck out of /pol/.
>>45638284 Depends what you value. I like good build quality and a nice design as much as the next guy. But I like my laptops to be serviceable and modular to some extent too so I can repair them and do replacements or upgrades. Also Apple tries to lock you into their ecosystem so hard it's bullshit.
So no, if you like to be somewhat in control of your hardware, you don't buy Apple.
the fact is you can get about three 'Gaming' PCs for the price of a mac. Another one of my hated things is the use of the term gaming in computers. I looked at s pre built computer that my mate got and I'm like "you fuck wit!" they all use APUs and they charge really crappy prices like £300-500
>>45638422 Also this is why there is so little mac love on /g/. /g/ are consumertech enthusiasts who like to mod and generally be in control of their machines. Apple is really restrictive and even engineer their products be not serviceable.
>>45638422 >But I like my laptops to be serviceable and modular to some extent too so I can repair them and do replacements or upgrades. In a desktop? Abso-fucking-lutely. But in a notebook I found that to be utterly useless, in fact worse then useless because the compromises needed to make them modular and "serviceable" which in practice usually they weren't requires them to be some combination of bigger/heavier/less battery life. The physics of mobile is harsh, so honestly I don't find Apple to be one iota worse there then anywhere else. If I ever need one of our notebooks at work (I manage 14 or so) repaired for an actual hardware failure, which almost never happens anyway, it's fine to just send it in and have it dealt with.
I can understand people who want something from notebooks that Apple just doesn't offer though, like more powerful GPUs in a thicker package for example. That doesn't mean I don't think Apple's notebooks aren't still good, but they definitely don't cover the whole market or even close, PC has way more breadth, but unlike the desktops what they do do they do well.
>Also Apple tries to lock you into their ecosystem so hard it's bullshit. On iOS holy fuck yes, but on the Mac, no, not for a long time. It'll be a big deal if that ever changes but it hasn't yet, it's more flexible then Windows though obviously way less then Linux/BSD.
>So no, if you like to be somewhat in control of your hardware, you don't buy Apple. That's not true though. You don't buy Apple if your needs don't intersect with their extremely limited product matrix, or you prefer a fully open stack. Control isn't an issue for now though.
>>45638530 track pad is shitty, the case is warped due to throttling, and the battery life lasts me 3 and a half hours. it's a cheap shitty college laptop, but it has the same specs as a mac. the reason got it, is it was something I could replace if I fucked it up, college being what it is in the UK.
>>45638536 Those are the most comfortable keyboards to type on.
>>45638536 You think so because you've never learned how to use a proper one. > gestures to switch between applications and workspaces > two finger gestures to go forward, backward and for scrolling > three finger gestures for drag and drop Trackpad is directly underneath your keyboard, its less effort to move a hand from the keyboard to your trackpad than it is to move to your mouse. Exposé+Click and clicking what you want is less effort than Alt+Tab+Tab+Tab moving to your mouse and clicking what you want.
Any Windows laptop I've tried had a shitty trackpad that felt muddy to use and could only do a small subset of gestures like that, so I could see why you would want a mouse for those.
>>45638375 >irrational Apple's software philosophy is directly at odds with most of /g/, and OSX offers no incentive to dual boot it alongside Linux (not like Apple wants to let you anyway). It's not irrational, it's easily explained.
>>45638893 Microsoft's software philosophy is directly at odds with most of /g/, and Windows offers no incentive to dual boot it alongside Linux (not like Microsoft wants to let you anyway). It's not irrational, it's easily explained.
>>45639047 >OSX is laptop only Post I replied to said /g/ has an irrational hate against all apple products. The only reason anyone should use windows are for games or video editing, otherwise you should use a Linux distro.
>playing games at all *tips locally grown, fair trade and 100% organic fedora*
>>45638415 >fucking shit guys! >oh but they have good build quality >oh and the keyboard is back lit that cool >oh and thier track pad is the best out there >and they dont look like otaku basement dweller garbage fucking troll.
>>45640176 I don't use flash or YouTube on this machine, but when I do I either just download the video and view it in some player, or use "MacTube" under OS X which basically streams the video to quicktime. It works just fine for 480p, haven't really tried 720p but I don't imagine it working. As for the HDD it's a 320GB WD Scorpio. I have the 1.33GHz model and 1.5GB RAM, and it's been a great laptop over the years that I've owned it.
Debian runs ok, about what you'd expect from a mid-2000s dell, if you've ever used one. I would compare the performance to that of a ~2GHz P4.
It works great for word processing (OpenOffice), music, youtube (using the methods above), and games that were made for macs prior to 2005
Yeah mactube is where its at on these things. However mine hasnt been working for some reason, keep" timing out" when I go to watch a video. Mine is the lowest end one probably, early 2004 and it still runs great though.
>>45640242 >>45640301 I still have every laptop Ive owned since 2002 and they all still functioning Two of them ar 08 Macbooks. With minor item replacements like the fans and batteries they still run perfectly.
Literally it's the only good thing about macbooks and I wish to fucking christ real laptops had that trackpad. The thing is almost worth the $1000 overheard, but the fact it's a mac doesn't make it worth it.
I found a 2011 MBP for $400 on CL; the optical drive doesn't work but who uses DVDs anymore anyways
Should I pull the trigger? I've been in the market for an apple laptop to take on business trips and also to help me learn OSX on an actual machine instead of jumping through trillions of hoops setting up a VM
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