What's the best media player in terms of video quality?
sorry I'm a newbie, but how does this work?
download them both and then how does madVR integrate into mpc-hs's UI?
But it's placebo tier quality, it's hard to see the difference even with standard CCCP
mpc-hc with madvr at max settings, smooth video project, xysubfilter, and reclock. Also watching only br-rips.
Pic related. You can't get better quality elsewhere.
so long as you never update, mpc is rock solid even with this setup. Borderless works great as well.
it tried mpv and it works fine, but it gives me these errors
[vo/opengl-hq/x11] X11 error: GLXBadFBConfig
[vo/opengl-hq] Could not create GL3 context. Retrying with legacy context.
AO: [alsa] 48000Hz stereo 2ch float
VO: [opengl-hq] 1280x688 yuv420p
does this mean that I have shit hardware?
if so, is there a way for it to use legacy by default to stop having these errors?
mpv with VDPAU (and --vf=vdpaupp=hqscaling) on the proprietary nvidia driver for higher resolution video, or mpv with opengl-hq renderer for lower resolution video, or any other driver. There is also the nnedi3_rpow2 upscaling filter that apparently works through vapoursynth, but I've never tried vapoursynth.
>does this mean that I have shit hardware?
You either have a really old GPU, shit drivers for it, or both.
>if so, is there a way for it to use legacy by default to stop having these errors?
Addvo=opengl-oldto your config file.
>chroma upscaling jinc 3 taps ar filter
>image upscaling: jinc 3 taps ar filter
image downscaling: catmull-rom, ar, scale in linear light
>enable smooth motion frame rate conversion
>deselect all trade quality for performance options
I'm still experimenting with reduce banding artifacts. Fiddle with it if you want
>almost every way
>being this mad about having an inferior media player
I highly doubt that, but even if it did, the amount of resources something uses doesn't necessarily correlate with how bloated it is. Bloated means a lot of different things in different contexts to different people. A lot of people will call something bloated in terms of the codebase, cruft, dependencies it relies on, useless stuff that should be considered out of scope, etc.
mpv has a lot of different options that effect CPU usage and memory usage. I'm not sure what a "comparable MPC-HC setup" might mean in this regard.
prove it. Upload a screenshot
Would you suggest not correcting for all factors possible, then?
>I highly doubt that
Feel free to give it a try yourself.
>A lot of people will call something bloated in terms of the codebase, cruft, dependencies it relies on, useless stuff that should be considered out of scope, etc.
And that's an incredibly silly way of evaluating something for an end user. All other things equal, I'll take the option that's more elegantly coded, but all things are rarely equal.
>I'm not sure what a "comparable MPC-HC setup" might mean in this regard.
Latest MPC-HC, MadVR using Jinc, and XySubFilter.
God I fucking hate MPC and every retard that just says use it to any normal person.
MPC will never get fleshy color right. Sure it might work for you weeabo anime faggits that have white ass snowflake characters, but if you try and watch an actual movie using it everyone's skin tone is just a bit too off.
This was stockVLC 2.1.5 and MPC 1.7.3 with MadVR no settings changed besides that.
I'm not him, but you're only uploading screnshots of BDMV's. Most people aren't going to have access to these, or be willing to download them even if they do.
I actually have the Lain BD's from Geneon downloaded though, here's a shot with vdpau output on latest mpv. Surprise surprise, it's no different. Comparing upscaling methods by taking external screenshots of upscaled video, rather than screenshots of video at native resolution, tends to get better results. I don't like screenshot comparisons in general anyway. There is differences I clearly see with the VDPAU renderer that don't show up on screenshots. It actually uses an overlay too, which used to make external screenshots of it show up blank. So it's not silly to say that what you're seeing on the screen while it's playing would be different than the result of a screenshot.
You also didn't tell me what frame. I had to go through each frame comparing the grain to find which one that was. The fact you actually got someone willing to appease your request in this thread was very lucky.
>Feel free to give it a try yourself.
I don't have any Windows machines. If you wanted to test mpv's resource usage, I would rather have it be tested on Linux too with various setups, as I don't really know how well the Windows builds preform. This is something that's pretty hard to test accurately.
>And that's an incredibly silly way of evaluating something for an end user
Not at all. It often directly correlates with user experience. Efficiency, stability, robustness, ease of use, overall quality, etc.
>If you wanted to test mpv's resource usage, I would rather have it be tested on Linux too with various setups
We're trying to compare MPC-HC to mpv, though, and that doesn't work if we compare Windows to Linux at the same time. Do you have reason to believe the Windows builds are faulty? Either way, I'd say it would work a good sight better than trying to make MPC-HC and the other doodads up to work properly on Linux. Not to mention that if you're debating between the two in the first place, it would only make sense that you're using Windows for that very reason.
>It often directly correlates with user experience.
Then you should just be judging that from the start.
>Efficiency, stability, robustness
I could be running into definition differences again, but I'd say lower resource usage is better efficiency. I never had either MPC-HC or mpv crash or malfunction, so that's a wash based on my experience.
>ease of use
That comes down to interface, and has no direct connection to clean code.
Not sure what you mean by that. Is there some other factor you'd say is a part?
I use this across 3 different screens. Panasonic Plasma, Benq XL2720T, and whatever other device is on the network and connected to my movie server (usually laptop with generic screen). Never once has the color looked right in MPC it is always to red tint.
Now the image I posted might not be the best example because the whore ton of makeup that they use to create fake cheekbones and shit but still just look at the lips, fucking brown for no reason on the MPC wtf kind of coloring is that.
You want to give an unfair advantage to Windows by testing the Windows builds of mpv. The main developer who does 90% of the work mainly develops on and for Linux. That's not to say that he completely neglects other platforms, or there isn't some other people dedicated mostly to the OSX or Windows support for mpv, but it's very obvious that Linux gets far more attention/development/testing/QA than any other platform here. The same is true for many projects mpv relies on, like ffmpeg. In general the entire stack is developed on and targeted at Unix systems.
mpv builds are compiled by some random guy with mingw too. This isn't to say that you couldn't download these mpv builds and they wouldn't just work, but I think it's unfair to test mpv outside Linux, or at least OSX. Like I said, this is not something easy to accurately test.
>but I'd say lower resource usage is better efficiency
I still highly doubt this claim.
>That comes down to interface
No it doesn't. That's only one part of ease of use. For example I call using simple plaintext configuration files with command-line options in them ease of use.
>has no direct connection to clean code.
I didn't say "clean code". The code itself IS the program. It obviously has an effect on how it's used.
I'm going to reiterate the most relevant point: if you're using Linux, mpv is the only one of the two that will function properly. There's no comparison to be made. Thus, if you're wanting to compare them side-by-side, Windows is the sensible platform to do it on.
>I still highly doubt this claim.
You're still free to test it. Is setting up a VM above you?
>You want me to test MPC-HC resource usage under a VM? Really?
I don't expect you to blindly believe what I say, so when you tell me that you don't believe me, the only sensible response I can give is that you're capable of finding out for yourself. I don't care whether you actually do.
I assume there's no way to make mpv automatically switch between the two depending on the internal resolution of the video?
I.E if it's larger than 1920x1080 it uses VDPAU and it it's below 1920x1080 it uses opengl.
Though shit, if I can get better results with higher resolution videos using VDPAU instead of opengl then I'll choose that.
>But it's placebo tier quality
>>Being unable to tell what's placebo and what isn't
PLACEBO DOES _NOT_ MEAN TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING!
MADVR+MPC-HC LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME AS MPV WE FUCKING GET IT.
But a placebo is fake and doesn't treat the symptoms you have with VLC for example.
Too bad there is no cure for FOSS tards.
>muh GPL/GNU philosophy
>muh doing only one thing and do it good
Enjoy not being able to resize your video window at the edge. mpc+madeshi does everything mpv can, but mpv can't do anything mpc is able to.
If I want to use a keyboard only on MPC I can, your grasping at straws argument is invalid.
>I assume there's no way to make mpv automatically switch between the two depending on the internal resolution of the video?
You could create a script to probe videos for their resolution with something like mediainfo, then start mpv based off those. Although this is probably going to make opening videos much slower. I don't know of a simple easy way to get the resolution of a video that is really fast.
I created a custom action for it in nautilus, and open videos with it.
>Correction: They do the same but mpv has a smaller footprint.
>Enjoy not being able to resize your video window at the edge.
I am trying to comprehend what made you think this.
X11 has this really great feature, where you can hold alt and then click anywhere on ANY window, then move it around, or instead right anywhere on ANY window, then resize the window.
You don't even have to aim for borders. Although, resizing by clicking on the boder works perfectly like it should with mpv.
Don't be retarded and try to use that in Wine, it won't work, and even if did you shouldn't be doing that. Just use mpv, it's better anyway.
>a placebo is fake
No, placebo just describes the effect of you believing that something has to be better and that being the major tipping factor. Real medicine has a powerful placebo effect too.
If you think MadVR isn’t placebo, then you’re seriously underestimating the placebo effect. The minuscule improvements can’t compare to the effect of religious zealots placeboing themselves into believing that it’s the best thing ever.
>I am trying to comprehend what made you think this.
You can do the same on windows, click anywhere, I don't even have to fucking use ALT.
>Launch it from a NAS?
What the fuck are you talking about? Yes I can, because my NAS folders are mounted like physical drives in my PC.
>But can you move your MPC installation from one computer to another?
You can export the settings.
>Use it from a USB flash drive?
Portable mpc, unregeistering and registering madvr takes merely a double click.
>Didn't think so.
BECAUSE you are a retarded, inflammatory toxic cancerous FOSS tard.
>You can do the same on windows
No you can't. With specifically only mpv just clicking anywhere on the video should let you move the window, but that's just mpv.
What is your picture trying to prove? I'm saying that you can hold alt, the click anywhere on a window, even in the middle of it, and left or right click to move or resize the window, respectively.
>No you can't. With specifically only mpv just clicking anywhere on the video should let you move the window, but that's just mpv.
Kill yourself you dumb piece of shit, I just literally clicked on MPC and dragged the window around without borders as well.
If I'd care enough I'd record a gif or webm to show you, but unless you I don't have the whole day to slack.
>What is your picture trying to prove? I'm saying that you can hold alt, the click anywhere on a window, even in the middle of it, and left or right click to move or resize the window, respectively.
you don't have to "hold ALT" for that on windows
i can confirm what he is saying and you are desperate
>That is Unix philosophy, FSF doesn't care about bloat.
he was obviously referring in his first line about the licensing of madeshi which is the 2nd most common argument against this combination by freetards
You are missing the point, you dumb piece of shit. On X11 you can do this with ANY window, it's not dependent on specific programs. I didn't mean to imply no other program had a default binding like mpv to move the window on clicking.
This has nothing to do with mpv or MPC-HC, it has to do with X11 vs Microsoft Windows. You couldn't hold alt, then right click anywhere on any window and resize it, nor could you hold alt, then left click anywhere on any window and be able to move it.
Your first claim that you couldn't resize the mpv window for some reason was odd. That's an issue in your window manager, not mpv. I just find it funny that a Windows user is saying anything bad about other's people capability to move/resize windows easily.
his argument was never about dragging around, he said he wanted to resize at the corners and honestly I'd like to know this as well
>That's an issue in your window manager, not mpv.
not, it is an issue that it wasn't coded into the player. only the fault of MPV devs and no one else.
>then right click anywhere on any window and resize it
i can left click, resize any window that wasn't programmed by scrubs and resize
>You are missing the point
denial - Defence mechanisms
level 1: pathological form of rejecting other peoples' arguments
seek help please
>If I want to use a keyboard only on MPC I can, your grasping at straws argument is invalid.
You seem to be mad. MPC-HC (because this is the name of the player) doesn't have all the variety of keybinds that is available on mpv, and you'll have to struggle with the mouse for every little command
Guess what? MPC-HC is FOSS too!
Please explain how you get this functionality on Windows then.
You are most likely not understanding what I'm saying, or understanding the feature I'm talking about. I am not talking about mousing over to the border of a window and resizing it, I am talking about clicking anywhere on a window.
Not anyone you're replying to, but MPC-HC and almost everything related to it is free software except madVR. Kind of funny you're calling people freetards. Why don't you just go use nothing but all the great propreitary software like Realplayer?
I would still prefer mpv even if madVR was freely licensed, and MPC-HC, madVR, and all of that worked natively on Linux,
holy god damn shit you winfags are retarded.
no of course you cant just left click anywhere in a window to move it or right click to resize it in windows.
how would you even use your computer if it was that way? hold super for normal mouse behavior?
>You are most likely not understanding what I'm saying, or understanding the feature I'm talking about. I am not talking about mousing over to the border of a window and resizing it, I am talking about clicking anywhere on a window.
VERY SLOW: I click in the centre of the the media player. On the video area itself
I hold down MOUSE1 and drag, slowly slowly drag. Do you comprehend?
>no of course you cant just left click anywhere in a window to move it or right click to resize it in windows.
he was talking about media players, you can tone your pseudo elitism down, take your psycho-pharmaceuticals and relax your blood pressure again
i still want to know why mpv devs are shit and you can't resize borderless window at the edge too
placebo = not doing anything at all
not a placebo = generics 'AKA' doing the exact same thing
now you are a bit smarter, because of my help and care for you bewildered foss creatures
Yes I understand that, but I'm talking about media players in a thread about media players, in a community of people discussing media players right now. Deflecting isn't helping to find collectively an answer to my problem to what is wrong with this exact program called MPV. Please understand me.
> he said he wanted to resize at the corners and honestly I'd like to know this as well
By clicking on the corners and resizing. There is no problem doing that.
>not, it is an issue that it wasn't coded into the player. only the fault of MPV devs and no one else.
> resize any window that wasn't programmed by scrubs
You really need to learn the difference between your windowing system, and the program running inside a window. This is retarded shit I would expect to hear from /b/, perhaps you need to go back there.
> I click in the centre of the the media player. On the video area itself
You're obviously the one with comprehension issues. I even captilized the point you are not understanding. ANY WINDOW. Not just one specific program that allows for this functionality, ANY WINDOW FROM ANY PROGRAM.
You can hold alt, then left or right click on ANY SPOT OF ANY WINDOW, then be able to MOVE the window, or be able to RESIZE the window.
Do you understand, you sub-90 IQ fucking moron?
>i still want to know why mpv devs are shit and you can't resize borderless window at the edge too
I can on my system.
They will say that if you take the borders off your window, and your windowing system is reliant on the need to click on borders for resizing windows, then that is an issue with your windowing system.
They will say that there is no way they are going to be adding in huge bloat to work resizing capability from inside the mpv window, when that is a job for your windowing system.
How am I shitposting? I don't want this to become a flamewar if I tell you to either use MPV or MPC+madvr??
I can post my configs for mpv if you are not the shitposter in here, baka!
It's not their fault that Windows is shit, but they ought to do something, like MPC-HC dev did. Bloat is better than a crippled player.
Not our fault if you are to dumb to select the appropriate renderer in a drop down menu.
How about not being a fucking pleb and activate full 0-255?
Do your screenshots again, in their current state they are worthless!
neat, didnt know that wasnt set as default
You are trying to use a 32bit only renderer in a 64bit only player!
Do me a favour and just uninstall both madvr and mpc then do a full install of this:
Deactivate thumbnail rails as well and uncheck the toolbar offer. Thank me later for your better experience.
oy fuckin vey
also why wouldnt my computer have full range already enabled
>Samefagging this hard
Almost all x86 software for Linux is also supported on x86_64.
I don't think you could give a comparable example of some software on Linux like this. A situation where you have a bunch of software that is all 64bit, but has one plugin that is 32bit only.
Linux isn't immune to some old 32bit-only stuff, but for the most part the only things that are still 32-bit only are proprietary Windows software.
I dont think my x230 is strong enough for madvr, svp and reclock all at once
Try my mpv settings:
make 2 files:
# [WHEEL SCROLL]
MOUSE_BTN3 add window-scale 0.02
MOUSE_BTN4 add window-scale -0.02
UP add volume 2
DOWN add volume -2
n cycle ontop
put them in
(creates after first launch)
then right click -> select -> open with mpv.exe
Post results please and thank me later
>then right click -> select -> open with mpv.exe
on the video obviously
Just wanted to add: I tested this with mpv and it looks like madvr.
If it puts too much stress on your graphics you can comment this line out like this:#hwdec=dxva2-copy
Dude whenever you need to upscale a source that has lower res than your screen, then you will always need either what you suggested or mpv.
Look what chroma and luma upscaling are and why you need a good renderer for that.
Tip: YUV / YPbCr
vlc has shitty playback could't hit the exact milisecond not to trigger your autism
please remove your eyeballs and install robot eyeballs in your skullsockets if you don't see the unsharp and poor colours in VLC
b-but muh subtitles, why do the mpc ones look so shit compared to the vlc ones?
Because it originates from linux and those tards like to keep their configs and binaries in separate folders to have a more clean experience and workflow.
They probably would say: "You don't shit where you eat."
please use my settings: >>45646545
I tried MPC and I don't really see what the fuss is. Granted, I don't download many videos larger than 1.5GB because I don't really care if the video quality is 80% instead of 100%. The last time I tried to use MPC, I ran into two audio issues on the same video. One was synchronization, the other was that, for some reason, the video only had the left track of the audio. While I may have been able to find a way to correct the synchronization in MPC, I never got that far because I couldn't find a way to switch audio tracks. This is something that's very easy to do in VLC. Synchronization is also very easy to achieve with VLC.
So, say what you like about VLC being shitty; I find it to be easier to use and the video quality to be acceptable. I really don't want to fight with a program to get it to do what I want when I'm supposed to be relaxing, thank you.
>Okay, what does it change?
pls, it gives you better upscaling and graphics
only these lines are important:vo=opengl-hq:pbo:lscale=spline36:cscale=mitchell:dither-depth=8:temporal-dither:scaler-resizes-only
The rest is just to remove the suck out of mpv, because it's devs are autists that want auto closing players and shit.
>Granted, I don't download many videos larger than 1.5GB because I don't really care if the video quality is 80% instead of 100%
You can at least act normal, you know, to mask how retarded you are.
The new mpv has troubles.
also what the fuck is this captcha? It was asking me for pictures of cakes.
Why does mpv have audio/video delay?
shit, old captcha's back
I don't think madVR is placebo, but the word does not mean no effect at all, it's just something that is deliberately ineffective.
Oxford's definition: a harmless pill, medicine, or procedure prescribed more for the psychological benefit to the patient than for any physiological effect.
Neither of you know what that word means.
Nowhere in the definition does it say either "deliberately ineffective" or "not doing anything at all".
MadVR is a placebo, because madVR users greatly exaggerate it's performance increase. The performance increase is largely imagined. A telephone can play 1080p these days, using a crossfire graphics setup to output the same file at the same resolution using madvr to overwork your system is not going to make it look much better than on anything else. Video playback is not resource intensive, unless you force you force it to be. But there's no logical reason to do that other than trying to justify why you spent 2000 dollars on a computer just to watch chinese cartoons.
>Nowhere in the definition does it say either "deliberately ineffective"
In a blind experiment testing the effectiveness of a drug, do they not give the placebo group something that is deliberately ineffective?
>MadVR is a placebo
>usually pharmacologically inert preparation prescribed more for the mental relief of the patient than for its actual effect on a disorder
Sorry, but madVR is not for mental relief, I see a difference to VLC.
MPV is a placebo because I don't see a difference to MPC-HC+madVR.
It gives you mental relief because of it's license and Unix philosophy. Other than that MPV does jackshit. MPV is the placebo.
Go treat your denial.
Think of madVR as a plug-in for MPC. It's basically what renders the video. The video file goes through a decoding process, then through the renderer which tells the player (MPC) what to display. All you have to do is install both and change the renderer to madVR in MPC's settings. Google around (something like "how to set up MPC with madVR"), there are plenty of guides on how to do it.
Finally we have reached the point of circular arguments!
Your god is more shit because I invented mine first.
Just call it a renderer like adults.
Look up what splitters are as well.
Stop being this nice, this place needs to be full of cold bitter hatred. Also how do you know it's a he? Please address people only with Xir.
>As long as AMD's APUs and intel's HD Graphics won't support MPV or madeshi at full quality
But they do, unless you want horribly inefficient shit that was never meant to be a scaling algorithm like NNEDI3.
I was devastated by 5cm because I could relate to it at the time. It's about long-distance relationships. Mine's an unbiased review, but that one was the most feel-inducing to me (although I think anyone can suffer from watching it).
The art in both of them is beautiful (as is all of Makoto Shinkai's work) and it has plenty of great depictions of natural phenomena (namely petals falling off of sakura trees) which helps create a more emotional ambiance.
O-okay, Garden it is then. I don't like too much feels though I'm not sure which anime made me ever the most uncomfortable. Stein; Gate was shit because in the end all of them went back to their normal horrible lives where they lost someone or their dreams were crushed.
Why do asians want to feel like crap? NieR's endings made me unhappy as well.
W-will do, but why do you want me to feel this way?
Rude! I'm just a little bi. Also cuck.
You told me you were a feels guy, I just assumed you wanted high-impact. You can do whatever, I just told you what's best for people looking for something that will make them re-think their lives.