GPA matters slightly for your first job, and maybe if you have a scholarship. As soon as you go from first real job to second real job not only does it not matter, they might think less of you if you consider it worth mentioning instead of something else on a resume.
>>45707359 well, I'd say GPA is relative to school prestige. 3.0 at a top tier school might be comparable to a 4.0 at an average school, but anything below a 3.0 looks bad no matter how good your school is.
I wouldn't bother unless you can keep at least a 3.0. That's probably about the minimum most employers are looking for, and 3.5+ is going to be preferred in job postings.
<3.0 would only really be acceptable in my opinion if you're able to get a lot of internships, relevant work experience, relevant personal projects, etc. under your belt while in school. And still might be a bit hard with larger companies at least just to get past the resume filters and get to an interview with a sub-3.0 GPA, but if you can get that far interviewers will probably more sympathetic and understanding about a mediocre GPA if they see you've been working your ass off outside of school to gain relevant real world experience. Some employers may even prefer that to a student who focused more on theory and coursework.
>>45707343 >and your first job's salary determines your second job's, etc. Not really. Everyone caps at the same wage in 5 years unless you move to tech management or management, and even then the pay jump isn't that great compared to the extra responsibility.
>>45707381 This is totally false. The only company in the bay area who even looks at your GPA is Google. Maybe some of the financial companies do as well, but only for top tier positions where you compete against PhDs.
No one gives a fuck what your GPA is if you're applying for a software engineer or SRE position. It's the lowest ranked signal on your resume. Here's the order of importance for getting a good job:
1. Experience. Former work is great, personal projects that make money are good, personal projects on Github that are complete are good, halted personal projects shouldn't be on your resume. Class projects are a no-no and send resumes straight to the trash unless:
2. Original research.
3. A good school name. Stanford, MIT, UC Berkeley, Caltech, etc.
4. Class list; shoeing you have grad-level machine learning knowledge is good.
>>45707450 Naw dawg. I had like a 2.5 before I dropped out of UC Berkeley, and I had interviews at LinkedIn, Microsoft, Airbnb, Facebook, and Palantir. I am now happily employed at a company with hard cider on tap.
>>45707613 Have you ever browsed through resumes yourself? They're not very good for evaluating people. studies have shown that a good recruiter is right 52% of the time. So flipping a coin on who to interview is just as good.
Some people with 4.0s are perfectionists and are slow and worthless and the workplace. Some with 2.5s just didn't work well with schoolwork.
I browse through resumes at work and I don't even look at the GPA unless there's nothing else on the resume of note.
It's probably a totally different on the west coast in the computer science industry, but when I was applying for EE jobs (mostly in the midwest but also all around the country) almost literally every single job application listed 3.0 as the min and 3.5 preferred. Occasionally I saw a 2.75 min but never lower than that I don't think.
Not going to claim that GPA is the only thing companies look at for recent grads and that you can't still get a job with a low GPA, especially if you really blow them away in other areas. Just saying that's my experience with engineering jobs.
>>45707450 I never understood America's obession with GPA. According to this site I would have 2,22 GPA for my bachelor. I managed to get a 7 month thesis spot at one of the best labs at my university and I'm in the top 30%-40% of my class or something.
>>45707634 If what this anon says is true, US university/college seems 10 times easier than european ones
>>45707604 I dropped out of Cal (UC Berkeley) after 2.5 years because YOLO.
>>45707613 Sounds like you're pretty convinced that's the case but I agree with >>45707528 at least for Silicon valley & sf. Tell me about the job market you're in. What area? Are you talking about CS jobs or just employment in general?
In my experience (and from talking to hiring managers here) GPA is only q factor if you have ZERO or very little experience. Like, no projects, no internships, no relevant student jobs, no research, etc.
As soon as you have something to show for yourself GPA importance drops to 5%.
>>45707755 This is correct. At least on the west coast we're concluded that hiring engineers based on any resume signal is a total crapshoot, and rely mostly on technical phone screens and on-site interviews to choose people.
If you have an eye-catching resume you'll get a TPS, and if you do well there by knowing your shit and being a nerd but not a sperglord you'll get an onsite.
>>45707786 Nah I just hate school. Given any choice betweet (programming, studying) or (hanging out with friends, studying) I'll never choose studying. If that's your definition of retarded then a-ok. I'm happy being a retard in your book. I have more money now than I know what to do with
>>45707886 that's called a lack of dedication and just being stupid in general >"oh trust me if I spent all my time studying i'd get straight A's it's not like i'm dumb or anything I'm just happy with C's" -what stupid people tell themselves
Im planning to study Computer Science starting next year, does anyone have any tips or any excercises perhaps to get me started with some coding and things i need to do. Also im graduating from IB with Maths, Environmental Sciences, Spanish as my SLs and English, Information Technology in a Global Society, Business as my Higher Levels. Do you guy think i should take another course before i go into Computer Science and what is the average overall score ill require to get in/do good during the course (not so good with GPAs but if you guys dont know IB scores then just tell me GPA please). Thanks in advance guys
Depends how serious you are. Had a 2.8 after my first year in college, now have a 3.4.
You need to get out of self pity mode ASAP and look at what you did wrong this semester. Figure out whats holding you down, and make changes. For me it was that I could not get any work done at home, so I locked myself up at school for around 8 hours a day to get my shit done.
>>45707723 It would seem that european universities are a bit harder: Based on how much hours a credit signifies (1 credit = 28 hours), I calculated the normal study load is about 65 hours/week (classes, labs, tasks, studying).
Most professors use a grading scheme like this: 19-20/20 Knowledge goes further than what was seen in the course/has a perfect understanding of the material 17-18/20 Has an excellent understanding about everything in the course 15-16/20 Very good/Above average (knowledge of all the major points, but not every little detail) 13-14/20 Average 10-12/20 Passable not great 8-10/20 Technically a fail but can be deliberated
>>45708080 Not really. It's basically all Washington schools (local) and Waterloo.
I think it's important to note that most of these companies recruit locally. If you're really, really good at your craft and can prove it, going to San Jose State is fine if you want to work for Apple.
Don't think anyone's claiming it's impossible. Had a fairly mediocre GPA and basically no internships or work experience related to my major and still got a job after school. Had to search for a long ass time after graduating before landing my current job, though. And technically probably "underemployed," degree was in engineering but current job is blue collar/technician kind of thing, although I can't complain pay is decent enough especially with overtime and has some nice perks like company vehicle/gas card, etc.
In the end things worked out pretty well. But if I had to do it all over again I'd definitely focus more on academics in college and try to get internships or other relevant experience under my belt while in school.
>>45708421 I literally lucked the fuck out, I won't pretend I'm amazing or anything like that.
A prof made our class go to a career fair on campus, literally the first place I talked to emailed me the next morning about an interview. After the interview they wanted references and then they offered me the job full time as soon as I graduate.
CC student here ready to transfer. I'll probably only get into UC Davis and I'm worried about employment after.. Davis really isn't known for its CS.
I have a 4.0 but literally the only reason I can't apply to UCLA is because they require a full year of Chemistry, full year of Physics, plus all the lower division programming courses. It's literally impossible to do unless you take 3 years of CC and theres no fucking reason on this gay earth that you should NEED a full year of TWO hard sciences for CS.
>4.18 GPA in IT diploma/co-op program. >Co-op semester starts in January. >Still haven't found job despite grades. >That bad feeling when assburgers preventing me from getting a job. >Why do I even try?
>>45708553 No idea what you're on about, but I'm telling OP to try harder. I remember my freshman year of college I was going hard just trying to learn pre-calculus, and by the end of the calculus series I was getting A+'s even though the work was 10x harder.
You should expect yourself to get better at school and learning, logic and reasoning, etc. if you keep pushing yourself. You won't be the same person your freshman year as to your senior year, so just because you're doing shit now doesn't mean you can't handle the harder upper division work later - push yourself until you can handle it.
>>45708595 >No idea what you're on about If you can't learn something, you're usually just doing it wrong. You have to push yourself sometimes, sure, but you should also try learning the same stuff in different ways.
>>45708631 pretty sure if you take a few semesters of any college credits (go to a CC and do gen-eds that have virtually no requirements of high school GPA), any university you apply to in the future will admit you based on your new college GPA rather than high school. hope this helps.
>>45708891 Dude, holy fucking shit. My school does that too. A good damn 84 is a 2.7. Are you fucking kidding me???
It fucked my gpa. I have no fucking clue why schools do this.(except to fuck kids out of scholarships). I could understand if every big institution did this but my college is the only one in the state that does.
I could understand it if an 80 was a 3.0, 85 is 3.5, etc. But not this backwards ass shit. It really hurts us stem majors who get fucked because professors don't give out high grades.
Is my school the weird one for having A = 4.0, B = 3.0, etc.? It's up to individual professors to decide what constitutes each letter grade, but the majority just go with 90% and up is A, 80% - 90% is B, etc.
>>45709003 That's normal. My college is just stupid for having A+, A, A-, B+, B, etc. It hurts people who have a 4.0 because if you go under 93 you're fucked. It helps people who get B's because they can get a 3.3 by having an 87.
I'm from europe and I don't understand the thing with GPA. A friend of mine enrolled in university last term and studies what would probably be translated to CS and pretty much everyone in his courses is happy about a passing grade. He himself just nuked a program design exam, despite having 6+ years of programming education with 1.0 average (which is basically the perfect grade) during his entire school career. I never thought the grading at universities would be even designed to have a perfect grade. Maybe I'm just naive though.
I know its been said a lot in this thread, but seriously GPA isnt all that and a bag of chips. Be smart, passionate and have personality and theyll want you over any with a great GPA that lacks in those other qualities
This seems like an appropriate thread for a question.
Say I want to learn how to program and learn a computer language. What would be a good, accredited school to enroll in to learn? I just started teaching myself Java. In several years, assuming I decide to join this career track, I hope to get an internship at Jagex or something. Would be cool.
>>45709211 Also, what does a Computer Science degree encompass? What course should I be taking (Majoring in? I don't into college terms) to ensure I get a degree for programming? Would you recommend some kind of Networking course or some shit like that as a secondary course? I hear they're in high demand.
Problem is sometimes even getting your foot in the door with a poor GPA. When employers receive hundreds of applications for a position, they're not always going to look through every application but instead filter by GPA and other criteria to get the list of applicants down to a more manageable number that they can scrutinize more closely.
Right or wrong, it is what it is. If you have a really poor GPA, your resume may not even get through HR and to the hiring manager who does the interviews.
>>45707920 Lack of dedication for studying does not make someone stupid the way you think it does.
Memorizing a bunch of bullshit that even a monkey could do, and having commons sense are two different things. Common sense is really rare amongst people nowadays. I know so many individuals, even people who have several diplomas that fail so hard even at the simplest "everyday problem solving".
>>45709244 true, but applying via the traditional send a resume way is so outdated to me, and useless. I am in a position right now that I got technically by being buddy, buddy with my professor. He vouched for me/recommended me based on my knowledge/passion for my field even though my GPA is pretty meh. So, get to networking, its important
Networking has become the newest career center buzzword and a nice way of saying - nepotism and friends get you jobs. It is basically a euphemism for nepotism/cronyism, ass kissing, and pulling strings.
>>45709835 nope, I'm part of a lucky group that dodged this pitfall major have fun being outsourced by an Indian sweatshop if you don't apply yourself and make sure you are at the top of a niche job skill
>tfw i dropped out of college halfway through senior year because I was diagnosed with clinical depression and generalized anxiety disorder >tfw faked having graduated because I got sent an alumni card and searching my name + my college gives favorable results >tfw landed a solid job a year out from "gratuation" because I pulled my shit together and learned how to not be a nervous sack of shit in front of other people
It's been almost 10 years since then and there have been times where I honestly sweat buckets applying for a job where the company says they'll do a background check, but the times that I was turned no one ever explicitly said it was because I didn't have a degree.
Once you're out in the real world, unless you're in academia or you're going to law school, LITREALLY NO ONE cares where the fuck where you went to school or even if you graduated. You honestly just gotta fake it til you make it; everyone does it to different degrees, and it's heavily dependent on how good of a con man you are (to fool other people but also to fool yourself, to have the confidence).
I guess since I'm pushing 35 I might have a thing or two to offer the younger crowd, and this thread feels like a good place, so if you have a handful of questions, I'll try to answer them as best I can.
>>45707300 Are you taking nothing but computer classes your first semester? If so, it seriously might be a good idea to reconsider if it's all intro classes. Unless you have personal stuff in your life that is distracting you from getting work done, or if you are having massive problems adjusting to college life your grades really shouldn't be that low right off the bat.
Try and internalize why you think you are doing so badly. What is it that made you mess up? Are you just being a lazy fuck or did you not understand the material? If you didn't understand the material, why didn't you reach out to your professors or a tutor to help you out?
It's really important for you to think some of this stuff through. In the long run college degrees don't mean shit in the computer field unless you are doing specific shit like working for the government or with some crusty old company like an oil company who wants a PhD in Comp Sci to even be considered for basic work. Most everywhere else will judge you based on what you know, not on what grade you have or what degree you attained. Certs mean more then a degree does in CS and even then, certs are easy enough to get. If you know you know computers stop sweating your GPA and STOP FUCKING UP.
>>45710096 I'm just trying to forecast the future If you don't take it seriously you're much less likely to be making money that was worth the investment into higher education CS isn't like it used to be. In the younger days of the computer it was less abstract so a large specialized workforce was needed to maintain machines and they were getting paid well. Nowadays, any monkey can pickup a kb and learn enough to be part of the cheap pool without needing to know the inner workings of the machine.
>>45710353 If you have a contribution/project you're proud of, just put it on your resume and that'll get it noticed. If you want them to know about it, don't just assume they'll go stalking your activity online.
>Three things contribute to our total grade: >LabSims from Testout >Weekly 500-word writeups (three paragraphs, three security concepts) >The final
>Complete all the labsims >Skip the videos >Still get 100% for each week
>89% on the final. >Turns out I got the highest grade in the class. >100% on a curve :^)
>Neglect to do ANY of the weekly summaries after the fifth week. >Take a look at my grades online >33.3% credit for labsims >33.3% credit for final >6.7% credit for paragraphs. >Total: 73.5% >Two days left in class >We don't even meet on campus anymore.
>Open wordpad >Begin writing >Plan on finishing all ten remaining summaries before bed. >One. >Two. >Shit this is hard. >Maybe I'll only do half a page from now on. >Thr- >Fo- >Fi- >Give up. >Attach them all to an email. >Send.
>Look at grades online three days later >Final grade: 100%, 4.0.
>>45710394 Thanks! I'll take note to highlight specific one's in the future. And I wasn't assuming they would go hunt down my activity. I thought that for most brogramming jobs people put their github on the resume, I guess if they wanna look at it, they look at it.
>>45710336 It's a community college, and the degree has required generals.
>Two english classes >Two social classes >Two physical science classes >One math class >One business class
I already took a networking class, and introduction to tech (learn how to open Word: the class). Those don't really feel important to me though so I didn't include them; I can see how that would cause confusion.
Yes, I've already taken two "degree-related" classes, the rest are just fodder.
Four classes a semester, but I failed English once so I had to retake it.
Its your first semester. No biggie. Just work harder to get a 3.0 GPA. Sure higher is nicer, but 3.0 is good enough. 50% of people drop out anyway so don't feel like you're worthless for not having straight A's man.
Obviously work on personal projects and internships junior/senior year.
Being personable and being an optimist will be the MOST important qualities for succeeding in life. These guys calling people retards for not graduating from Berkeley in 6 semesters won't be successful - they'll always be working for a (more likeable) higher up.
So is a 3.0 GPA from a (good) university more valuable than a 4.0 from college?
I mean, I went to college for a while and I don't believe I ever got below A there. Got tired of that shit and went to university, where I average about a B+, with extremes being a single C and a single A+.
I figure I'll post this here instead of making a new thread.
Well, here I am, with an AAS in IT/electronics and multiple certs. I feel so fucking unfulfilled. Now I'm going to uni next semester to be a sys admin, and none of the shit-tier 2-year college credits transfer so I have to spend an entire 4 years at uni.
Does anyone know if I can get a good part-time job with my current Associates and my A+ and Network+ certs? I figure I can make some decent cash. No way I can go through school for 4 more years and not have a job.
I'm a sophomore at a pretty decent university, and in my experience, GPA doesn't matter. I left it off my resume when applying to internships last year and was able to get one with a relatively well-regarded company. Did the same this year and landed interviews with Apple, Salesforce, Intuit, Amazon, and a few others, and have accepted an offer from one of those companies. Google and Cisco are the only companies I've met who even remotely care about grades, and I've heard from people that've gone through the Google recruiting process that GPA isn't a major factor.
>>45710775 >implying I don't live minimally and get a bunch of benefits for being military Although the 4 years wasted aren't really worth the option of -maybe- going to college since I haven't even decided what I'm going to do.
>>45710764 On the west coast here, no one talks about certs. I can't decide if they're a scam or just for a different job market than the one I'm in. Who asks for these things? Why would you go to university to be a sysadmin? Who even teaches that. Get a CS degree. It'll be worth more in 5 years than some cut-rate IT bullshit .
>>45707300 B- is still pretty good if it's a good school.
Better schools = tougher competition.
Some profs give out a set # of A's and B's. I aced one of my EE classes. The next quarter a diff prof taught it and the people who took it said it was hard as balls and barely got C's. That professor was known for giving hard shit.
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