-Which corporate vacuum cleaner is right for me?
-Show us dat rack
-Post specs and setups
-Home network infrastructure
-I want to build X
-DIY shelf for your WD Greens
-Data library storage options
>implying that is my setup
It all goes in the homeserver thread
I am basically at a cross roads here between picking up some older used enterprise hardware and building a homeserver solution myself.
I need a type one hypervisor to split some work and services into different VMs.
It won't me very resource intensive.
Long story short, I put this together:
(mobo and ram are in the custom category)
What does gee think? Is this a worthwile build for the steep price point or should I focus on getting prebuilt poweredges/supermicros? Would it be wise to lower a gen into the ivy bridge field?
If you think I should go the enterprise route, what models of servers would be best to look into?
Please help me. I would really appreciate suggestions
Essentially that is correct.
More importantly for me it also helps protect against some of the "dirty" power my area is known to have at times. Not the best obviously, but better than a simple surge protector (or six banger especially).
I have that same old APC. It only outputs 350 watts for about ten minutes. So yeah, just for brown outs and safe shutdowns.
I don't actually use it anymore though, since my rig puts it into overload if I'm doing something even slightly intensive. Not really sure what to do with it.
I use these now behind my rack. There's not a ton of room for cables, but you can get several cat5/6 in one and an ac cord in another. Makes a huge difference not worrying about tripping and disconnecting cables.
And yes - the rubber ones are cheaper but they always seem to curl no matter what you do. These please my OCD.
I run a tacked together Atom N330 + Ion ITX setup, running 4GB DDR3 ram.
I've had the drive fail on me once or twice since 2009
I'm contemplating on moving the web server part of the server onto a USB flash drive, would that wear down and die too fast?
Server handles about 2,700,00~5,500,000 visitors per year.
I guess I should keep this going.
Got a HP ProLiant ML350 G5, Xeon 5120 1.8GHz dual core. 5GB DDR2 FB-DIMM RAM.
Two 300GB SATA drives in RAID1 at the moment.
Waiting to upgrade it all, planning on two quad core Xeons with 32GBs of RAM and about 4TB of total storage from a funky RAID setup.
This all depends though as I may be able to get some IBM X Series servers
Just got that in my loft with a 24 port 10/100 switch as it's the only switch I have spare and have a wireless access point up there.
Oh and an Ultrium LTO2 tape drive with 4 400GB tapes.
I wouldn't ever build a server by parts, you're better off going with a prebuilt and getting a decent support warranty.
For business solutions I tend to use Dell Poweredge servers, good warranty, good reliability and a damn decent price. The only thing to be aware of with home servers is that they're very power intensive.
Is it r2 or just 2012?
To be honest both are good solutions but if you're looking to do something more client/server than just run a media centre and a website I've been very impressed by 2012r2.
Posting my Poweredge 1950 III.
Just bought a new 4790K and a new mobo to replace my 8350, so I'll probably be turning that into a ghetto server to compliment the Poweredge.
On top of the old HP Proliant DL360 G2(?) that it was replacing. Still have the HP, but I don't use it anymore.
Yup. Prebuilt seems to be the way to go here.
The only advantages I honestly see in my build are the new chipsets, DDR3, and the build being quiet. I could get a system from 08 with four physical xeons, 48GB of RAM and 2TB for 600USD used which seems like the more attractive option even with the higher power costs.
do older workstations make for good homeservers?
Am I missing something here,
what makes this unmanaged 16 port gigabit worth 140USD besides faggot cisco tax
My home server is a netbook running transmission, nginx and a git repository.
They most definitely do. Unlike most racked equipment,they are meant to be somewhat close to people and are generally much more quiet.
And they don't even have to be that old TBH to get a fairly good deal on equipment.
Only con really is that some of the parts can be more expensive,you can't get stuff as dense as you could with racked stuff...but that's not an issue for most people.
your cisco switch is the wrong way round, nigger.
what's my best option for a plug and play NAS?
I don't really understand how to set one up and use it.
I would just be using it to archive anime, porn, and photos, and maybe watch porn off of it.
>implying they aren't
i just made that picture for you 5 seconds ago
not overpriced at all
Does anybody know anything about Roundcube? I could use a bit of help getting autologon to work. I want to be able to autologon from localhost, and there's an extension that's supposed to do that, but it doesn't work.
Also, people who run servers out of their homes, do you have a residential or a business account with your ISP?
this is my trouble
trying to build a type one hypervisor for some work and personal use
its much more expensive to assemble from scratch so I've been looking at used enterprise gear
most of it is fuckhuge, needs a powerstation to run, and is comparable to the sound of a vacuum cleaner
been stressed about picking components since I don't exactly have thousands to throw away
>tfw just got two IBM 16 port unmanaged gigabit switches off fleabay for 36USD alltogether
Its a good feel
>Its shit because they block 22 and throttle 80 as well as other protocols
Yeah, that sucks. My ISP doesn't seem to mind me running a website and will unblock 22 upon request, but they won't set my PTR record because my address isn't technically static, so I don't know if I'd make it through spam filters. Right now I use a dirt cheap VPS as a relay for my mail server, which I run on my desktop computer. I wouldn't mind paying a little extra to cut the VPS out of the equation, but I don't know how much more expensive a static IP would be. I can access my inbox remotely using webmail (Roundcube) or K-9 on my phone. I want to set it up so that when I'm actually sitting at my desktop/email server I don't have to log in to roundcube, like I don't have to log in to sylpheed, but I don't know enough about PHP to have much success at fixing the broken plugin that's supposed to do that
right, thats another thing, It seems that these days you have to be in quite a restricted IP range to have a proper mailserv
just get a cheap vps/dedi for services you have issues with at home
not too sure about your roundcube issues
mine worked out of the box with the script install I used
>not having a glorious $8 IKEA Lack Rack
yeah a usb drive isnt really made to be read constantly, maybe the best option (depending on how much it is) is to have the website stored in the ram (as in loaded from the harddrive during boot and caches it in the ram)
any suggestions on small racks?
Do racks like pic related help with noise isolation and heat or do they just add to both?
Actually, even google has experimented with lack racks... They are apparently were cost effective, but ikea stopped making the legs solid wood and now they cant be used in a stacking config anymore and need supports like that guys pic.
I use mine to automatically torrent anime and serve them over http. I also use it as a VPN when I'm connecting on public WIFI. I also have a weechat client that's constantly running that I can access from anywhere with ssh.
You register a domain name and make add an MX record to your registrar's DNS server. When another mail server has mail that's addressed to your domain, it looks for the MX record and finds your IP address.
A used workstation would be best for you then if power is a huge issue.
However,it should be pointed out that while a lot of /g/ users will say OMG VACUUM AND POWER DRAIN on a lot of systems...they really aren't.
While it may have been true of REALLY old enterprise equipment,most modern day'ish stuff has plenty of power saving features.
I have an IBM x3950M2 with 4xE7330s,64GB of ram,4 10K sas drives,and dual PSUs.
It uses from 350-400W depending on what it is doing. I only have a few VMs on it and it doesn't ever do too much,so keep that in mind.
While running some stress tests it would peak up to the 550W range,but I never noticed anything much higher than that.
That's about the same or possibly less than running a window AC unit. Where I live it factors out to about $15 a month in power.
If power is a big issue,look for L series Xeons,or AMDs similar low power models of Opterons.
Some of them have a 45W TDP.
The Dell SC24 springs to mind,it uses less than 1A most of the time.
thanks, I noticed that modern enterprise doesn't take too much power as well, I'm just used to looking at old hardware that is power thirsty
is link related overkill?
seems to offer everything I need, even though its at a 800W powerdraw.
I was also considering a later Poweredge T series or even an R710
Also, is it generally a good idea to avoid 2.5 inch bays if you don't need enterprise SAS? these smaller disks seem more expensive than their 3.5 inch brothers
pic semi related
this would be a good place to ask this I guess
I want to turn my older computer into a NAS, its a Z97 board with 8 sata ports. I want at least 10 drives. I'm planning on using freenas.
Do I need a raid card? Or is there something else I can use for more sata ports? Apparently they cant be split
nope, the age of baremetal is over
you can virtualize the hell out of everything and split your services as needed on different OSes (provided your host is not a potato computer)
firewall on VMs can be set to NAT or bridged and configurations are open to be easily adjusted
To be honest though you could pull off mostly everything on one GNU/Linux box assuming you don't have special computing needs
pic completely unrelated
nas > raspberry pi running openelec
use NFS to share to the pi, it's much more efficient
i use my tv remote control to control it, via hdmi-cec
if you're tv is too old for cec, you can use any linux-supported media center IR remote, or an android phone
>Do I need a raid card?
Do you want to raid the drives?
Yes = Yes
No = No
Got it for free from a company that wanted rid of it.
Mostly use it for backups.
most people who claim the pi is too sluggish for this are using an ntfs usb drive, or samba
both of which put a lot of strain on the pi's slow cpu
nfs takes that strain off the pi, so shit runs great
>Do I need a raid card?
no, use ZFS
if you need more sata ports, just get a plain pcie sata card
I have an old dell optioned 740 with an old amd cpu of some kind (can't remember off the top of my head) and 2 gigs of ram. It streams 1080pp just fine. I use a chrome cast mainly as I went cheaper than cheap, but it doesn't stutter.
If I were you, get an old ish pc, stuff a bunch of drives in it along with a good gigabit adapter, throw Linux, smb or ftp, and plex. That's what I use, and it works
probably going to get the supermicro as well. The hotswap bays, included ECC RAM, and CPUs is just too much of a bargain, to hell with the noise and powerdraw
I tried building something myself out of haswell and it doesn't even come close to what the supermicro has for half of the price
sure its newer quieter hardware but its the difference of 350USD versus 900
I'm running NFS and rtorrent on a RaspberryPi plus a External HD. Works pretty well for me.
Is there a good alternative to Dropbox I can run on it? BitTorrent Sync seems to suck, has anyone run Syncthing or OwnCloud?
pcie3.x is 984.6 MB/s per lane
if you need more than that, either use less drives per card and get more cards, or use a card with more lanes
pic, 4x card, or 3938.4 MB/s (in pcie3.x)
FYI OpenSSH, the SSH server included in most if not all Linux distributions, includes an SFTP server that can be enabled in its configuration file, and many Linux file browsers are SFTP compatible, so you may not even need extra software. You can set up key-based access so that you don't need to enter a password to securely access your file server.
Does a good rack reduce noise and temps?
What is a good rack that is not DC fuckhueg?
If you need tons of local storage,that will work very well.
I'm not a big fan of supermicro cases,mostly because of their small PSUs. They have small fans that have a high pitched sound that is kinda annoying.
And the 800W is the power supplies rated wattage. Since it has two,they are probably redundant supplies,eg one fails the other can keep it running.
My 3950 has two 1.4kW supplies,and as I said it uses nowhere near that kind of power.
As far as the 2.5 vs 3.5,it's just whatever you want to use. 2.5 is used on most racked equipment because you can fit more drives in an area.
Most 2.5" drives will fit in the sleds and work just fine. Remember,you can put SATA drives in SAS slots,but not the other way around.
I've never used it but as I understand it, SSHFS uses SFTP to create a virtual, local filesystem. That might be useful if you want to use a file browser that doesn't support SFTP directly. I don't know what the pros and cons of using it or not using it are, if you don't need to do that.
sshfs is basically sftp mounted to your filesystem
it's still sftp internally, just presented differently
sshfs can be useful for working with remote data in software that doesn't directly support sftp, or if working with your filesystem is more convinient
So can anyone tell me if running a server that serves up to around 5,500,000 visitors annually from a SD card or USB flash drive feasible? I'm on my third HDD in 5 years of uptime.
Will this burn the writes on the SD card or USB flash drive too fast?
The database itself is less than 16GB, I just don't know why it's killing HDDs on an average of just over 2 years.
You either have shit luck or are doing something wrong. I have a MC server with 50-60 people on at any given time, with LogBlock running. I get 6k MySQL hits per second on average, along with everything else, including a website with forums that gets 5k hits a day. Been on the same SSD for the last 4 years. 80GB Intel 320.
Thanks for all the insight. I really appreciate it
yeah, I know that Supermicro doesn't really care that much about noise and power consumption. Dell seems to be better at that with their newer R and T series altho
Is there any way in hell that I can swap the microserver PSUs for something quieter and better at conserving power?
I'm just really attached to that particular listing because I want one machine to keep my large data library (instead of getting a SAN/expander)
>SATA into SAS
thanks, I did not know that. Should have done more research on my standards
Speed isn't actually an issue though I just wanted better reliability.
Would a 60GB SSD do? SD and USB flashdrives are cheap while SSDs are not.
The highest record set was 375 users at one time, but it's usually 30~60 users at a time.
Average for Dec is currently around 10K hits a day.
I really have no idea why the HDDs are failing so much on my server, it's a headless server so basically it just boots up and the only thing connected to it is the power and internet.
I only connect a USB keyboard/mouse, a screen to it when it goes down so it's not really being used as anything but a server.
>Would a 60GB SSD do?
if the data fits it'll work
his point is that ssd's last longer when you're only replacing a relatively small amount of data constantly
aka, writing say, 16GB data per day will last longer on a 256GB drive than a 64GB drive
as for the hdd's, are they cooled properly? ~30-40c is ideal
and do you allow spindown on idle? if so, disable it, it wears out hdd's
>Speed isn't actually an issue though I just wanted better reliability.
SSD's are both.
Bigger drives give longer lifespans and the controller will shit the bed long before the actual memory
Xeon X3210 2.4Ghz
4GB DDR2 ECC
2TB HDD (Toshiba)
RADIUS AAA (SQL-based), DLNA, NAS, webhost, seedbox, mail server, and H@H.
I don't have any pics, sorry.
SSDs are a lot more reliable than a HDD. If you have a database, consider adding more RAM. Cache hits are everything. I get 40-50 thousand SQL hits a second but over 90% of them are memcached.
Spin down is disabled, drive is ambient +10~15C averagely so temps are ok.
It's running 4GB DDR3 but it doesn't seem to run over 50~60% most of the time. I'ld need to replace the whole thing if I wanted more ram in it.
Can't really squeeze SSDs into the budget at the moment, I got too many regular drives running 4yr run times that need replacing.
So SD cards and USB flash drives are a no? I got that idea after reading a lot about people running servers off those tiny boards with them.
>Can't really squeeze SSDs into the budget at the moment, I got too many regular drives running 4yr run times that need replacing.
The cheapest HDD's are 50$ and so are SSD's man
It's not like you need the space.
it desperately wants to be put in a case... yet it's laying there since months
No visualization, it runs CentOS.
I just put it on a DMZ, close all ports except the ones that are needed, and restrict the access to the NAS service to the local subnets.
>drive is ambient +10~15C averagely so temps are ok.
if you look at googles' reports on drive failures, you'll find having drives too cold is just as bad if not worse
when i said 30-40c, i didn't mean "under 40c", but literally not less than 30 or over 40
you need to slow down your fans
There are no fans, besides the PSU everything is passively cooled...
I dunno man, I've heard quite a few disasters going with some cheap branded SSDs.
SSDs feel like HDDs 20 or so years ago when there were a bunch of makers.
How about no, I live in a shit tier third world making average $300USD a month doing fucking translations, I'm not gonna spend money on ramdisks.
>There are no fans, besides the PSU everything is passively cooled...
you must live in a pretty cold place
maybe you can try restricting airflow from the front of the case or put the machine somewhere more enclosed
I just ordered one yesterday for my main system, aka the one I work with and make money with.
I can't splurge on another one so soon.
I'll definitely consider it though.
Actually I live in the sub-tropics. It's a nice toasty 24C atm and it averages 30C in the summer.
Here is mine. It is hidden under a chair and behind a door at my home because I am afraid a family member will unplug it if left in plain sight. I use it to host media at home and access it from my college dorm which has monitored internet.
It is an old Compaq machine, with a single-core Intel Celeron D @ 3.20GHz. The only thing I did was pull out single 512MB stick of RAM and shove in 2x1GB that I had laying around from an old fix (I posted them here at the time asking what to use them for, that was about 2-3 years ago).
Next on the list is a bigger hard drive. It currently has an 80GB drive, but that is enough for now because I don't need to store anything on there long-term.
Got a question. I bought some Rackable servers some time ago, and they work great but they sound like a jet engine. Is there a guide for building like a sound-suppressing box or something? Could I just make one out of wood with foam stapled to the walls and long intake/exhaust tubes?
I'd replace the fans, but there are no cpu/gpu fans as it relies on a wind-tunnel to cool everything and I'd be worried about the cooling ability of quieter fans.
>get a old sun, run Debian (netra x1 is what I got)
>get 3 or 4 raspberry pis
>get a old/new cisco switch
>control you raspberry pi cluster with your Debian sun machine
This is a pretty good guide for a simple but very decent cluster. I already had a raspberry pi and bought 2 more, my cisco switch was from a recycling center and I bought the netra for 25 bucks, it's dope bro. I don't know what to do with it though...
You don't want to put them in a box of wood with foam stapled to the walls.
It'll overheat in no time even with intake/exhaust, and possibly catch on fire. The school server room I worked at before had two A/Cs @ 20C and the server fans were still going full blast.
I have my old machine in a spare room in the basement. I'd like to turn this into
1. a fileserver where everyone can have their own private folders. If possible from outside of LAN as well.
2. Automatically download torrents (presumably through a client and RSS feeds).
3. Host Windows VMs on it so I don't need to deal with the work VPN and using the office VMs when I'm working from home.
I've messed around with Ubuntu in the past and used samba/deluge but RSS feeds were a bitch and I couldn't figure out wtf I was doing for VMs either. I kept getting grey screens and stuff.
What would the ideal OS for this be? I also have 3x3TBs + other drives in it but it doesn't necessarily have to be in raid 5 I guess.
Install and configure lighttpd. Put site files (HTML. CSS, whatever else) in site's root directory. Boom, you have a website. Getting it accessible from outside the network is a different ball game.
Yes, I have no idea how to do that but only spent 25 bucks on it. You however need to get a semi-cheap rj45 to serial adapter, if your a Linux wizard it should be decently hard. Its only a 500 MHz machine though.
Can't you do that with some off the shelf hardware that uses a tiny fraction of it's power consumption?
I know some people like tinkering with old hardware, but sometimes the hardware take more power than it's worth.
This is my home server. Used to have tons of old servers from work but I've downsized. I always have the temptation to build up a nice big rack -.-
From top to bottom:
- Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite
- D-Link DGS-1100-08P (L3 + PoE)
- Airport Extreme (Just as a WAP)
- HP Microserver (Sickbeard, Couchpotato, etc.. 10TB of storage)
Still, Sun systems are a REAL hassle. I don't even need a cluster I just dick around with this stuff for a hobby, just buy a shitty old hp Pentium 4 with windows xp those are easy to use and are usually free if you give the seller on ebay a message or ask some friends.
>Easy to use
>built upon unix
>Apple also produces a server variant of mac osx which I have heard is very, very good
>has good and secure security wiping and encryption
>boot camp for multiple windows vms.
Anyone else here using InfiniBand for their homelab?
Just moved to it and I can't believe the speeds I am getting using IPoIB.root@C6100-1-N4:~# iperf -c 172.16.10.2
Client connecting to 172.16.10.2, TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 648 KByte (default)
[ 3] local 172.16.10.1 port 37831 connected with 172.16.10.2 port 5001
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 3] 0.0-10.0 sec 14.1 GBytes 12.2 Gbits/sec
Was there supposed to be another way to do it? That's where I got all my info from. I've created 2 hackintoshes for people with their help. It just doesnt "werk" with my motherboard.
Your basement, probably. Don't have any old ones? Check friends and relatives for an old one. It just has to work and viruses don't matter because you're just formatting it anyway.
If you want a no hassle solution - get a NAS. Synology are good, but there are other options.
If you want to learn and build it yourself, could use FreeNAS or some other OS to build a file server.
What you are thinking of are baffles,and yes,unlike the other person who replied,you can build something like that.
Pretty much make a long rectangular box that will fit it pretty well and make sure to leave some space in front of and behind it.
Then use foam blocks or even wood to extend about 60% of the way across,then move forward a bit and put another block on the opposing side about the same 60% of the way across. Make sure whatever you use that it is SECURELY connected.
It shouldn't impede airflow,but it will make a marked difference in the amount of sound you hear.
You do realize that rackmount enclosures are pretty much exactly what this guy is asking for?
He's not planning on cutting off airflow,just directing it.
Rackmount enclosures aren't made of wood, they also don't have foam stapled to them and long intake/exhausts
They are made of metal for heat dissipation with large powerful intake/exhaust fans that scream like jet engines in an effort to remove the heat ASAP
Eh, I've got some generic old boxes with a P4 and a Celeron D that I slapped OpenBSD on and got some services running.
I used them for all sorts of things, but they're power hogs so I tend to keep them off these days. I fire them up when I want to run some LAN experiments, though.
I've only got one old server that's currently out of commission from a dead hard drive controller, but here's my networking homelab so far
I store all the pictures I take, all my music, all my movies and TV shows, several programs, and random backups of stuff.
I can access all this from my laptop, desktops, and tablets.
And since it's running WHS 2011 it backs up my desktops and laptop every night.
All this and it uses about a quarter to half the power of my main desktop.
dell optiplex 330
core2 duo 1.8ghz
80gb boot drive
2x 2tb wd reds in raid 1
debian stable / nfs