Where will you be on 2015-03-02, the exact day that consoles become obsolete?
Old thread >>46740483
Unless he actually wants to download Steam Controller
Valve should help the Mesa devs with this. This would be a GREAT opportunity for them (and, in particular for AMD and Intel) to have an awesome gaming experience with the open source driver.
It's customized Debian. Most of non-critical stuff thrown out, graphics drivers and Steam thrown in.
Boots straight into Big Picture unless you are l33t h4x0r and go to settings to change that.
There is solution to that problem:
If you have Windows PC, stream game from there. If not, you can buy license for Windows and install it on SteamBox
But because you are not retarded you will download it form evil illegal torrents.
Valve chose Linux because MS could go full-walled-garden any time now, and since it's free-as-in-beer, your device is less expensive and therefore more people buy it.
> microsoft just announced directx12 that can combine nvidia and amd cards in the same pc
> directx12 shows improvements of up to 80% in light rendering
sure glnext is going to be awesome, right guys?
>implying normalfags and dudebros possess common sense
Also Android will never take off, there is just not enough companies supporting it, and nobody will develop for different screen sizes. Maybe they will make some good changes in upcoming Android 2.2
Since you see to the future, can you please give lottery numbers for next week?
I had the money saved for a Steambox for over a year after they started their stupid "coming soon!! JK!" bull fucking shit.
Gabe lost my money for taking too fucking long to release anything and being dishonest about when shit will be released.
68 games is less than 10% of my steam library
what's your point?
are you trying to argue that if I go steamOS, I will have an advantage in the number of games I can play?
are you arguing that 10% is inaccurate?
even if it is, why are you defending that less is better than more?
you're saying that uddenly my 1000 games in my steam library will magically work on steamos?
then why would I ever want to use it?
the only real reason to stop using windows, is if microsoft fucks up big time
how is the situation better in any way?
how is less games better than more games?
what if the game I want to play now is not ported to linux?
what if the game I want to play in 3 month isn't ported to linux?
WHY would I limit myself to less games, when the choice of more games exists?
dude, start to use logic and stop being a linux fanboy just for the sake of being a linux fanboy.
steamOS only helps valve, and only in the case that Microsoft goes walled garden
This is, in no way, a good thing for the users, or for the developers
Didn't you hear anon, all you have to do is buy a separate Windows computer, that way you can play all of those amazing Linux exclusives, and then you can STREAM all of those garbage Windows exclusives to your Linux machine!
Why wouldn't you want to do that?
oh for fuck sake couldnt they have picked a better name.
Yeah, I like the living room PC idea as well.
I use GNU/Linux for everything I can but have to boot Windows if I want to play certain games. Of course I want to be able to play all games on GNU/Linux.
Having a usable (read accurate, better) controller to chill on a couch / bed to play some games on an actual non-gimped computer would be very nice and is not possible up to now (unless you consider PS / Xbox controllers usable or like to have your keyboard on your lap.)
People who are completely satisfied with either traditional consoles or pure gaming with M&KB on a desk with Windows will never see a reason for something else. Many seem to have this kind of defeatist attitude that nothing else should come forth.
I really like gaming with M&KB but this living room + real computer niche has yet to be filled.
Most of the tards that will be buying this don't even know what Linux is, so that question is invalid for them, they're just buying the new steam game console.
I personally hope as many people buy it as possible.
Nah I'm just taking the piss m8.
I'll be watching the see what Valve does, maybe it'll be better than SteamOS is now.
>gtfo console fag. /g/ isnt for your kind
You should probably gtfo yourself, vidya games are for MANCHILDREN and NEETs, /g/ is about serious business - like mobile os wars.
>Most of the tards that will be buying this don't even know what Linux is, so that question is invalid for them
exactly. All that matters for them is:
>Will this play all my games *and* play them at the best possible frame rate
windows will always be better for this, so that's what they'll always want.
Microsoft has been slowly dropping their media center support for a while now. Consoles are pretty gimped media player wise. Valve has a chance to come in with a full media center solution that includes games which is what many HTPC users want.
>Microsoft has been slowly dropping their media center support for a while now.
All that needs to happen is for windows to launch steam in big picture mode on boot up. This is piss easy to do, and is a better solution than SteamOS for anyone who just cares about playing their favourite games.
This is true. Even with the SteamOS thing and Steam Machines numbers wont change much, and developers often dont consider making their games run natively for the 1% that linux users are.
That's now. If Valve plans to expand SteamOS as a full media center solution it's not going stay that way. Windows is not outfitted for full remote/controller use. MCE is but that has no games and like I said Microsoft hasn't updated it in ages. They will probably drop it altogether soon.
>>But what is all this other shit happens that valve never said they'd do, then things would be different!
That hurt to read
Also Valve has said they want to open it up to Music and Movies so I don't know how to interpret it any other way honestly.
yes, but if they choose to use a steam machine, they'll always choose a windows based one because it will always be better.
>Also Valve has said they want to open it up to Music and Movies
well if they can do something that really compelling and only implement it on linux, then who knows. right now there's no advantage to it for gamers.
you can already try their beta movie streaming feature with the "free to play" movie
its interesting how valve are making stuff in a lot of different fields
>one gpu model
yeah, GPU drivers are still a big issue on linux. Most are not well optimised, and most games are not optimised for linux. Windows is always going to be better overall for the time being +plus run games that don't run on linux at all.
At least Steam is being more open than nVidia when it comes to "consoles"
nVidia SHIELD controller needs you to have the GeForce Experience driver in order to be used on your PC wich is just dumb.
sure it will improve, but when will it surpass windows? I can't see a time in the reasonably near future where all games are equally as likely to work on linux as they are on windows, and on average run just as well or better on linux, with all GPU's. Even if that happens old classic windows games will always only run on windows, except for maybe messing with stuff like wine. There just seems to be loads of things that need to be fixed before that can happen, and before then gamers will just prefer to use windows because it works better for games.
>always going to be better overall for the time being
yeah. its just that most people wont switch to linux if they see that "X" game doesn't run natively on it. and not everyone wants to set up wine to play their favorite games or have dual boot
It's too early to tell, depends on how many developers will jump on. Valve releasing some games will help but who knows when that will be. I want to say soon since Source2 leaks have happened but I don't want to get my hopes up.
Problem is you're comparing this to Windows when consoles are the main competitor. If Valve gets a good line up of games they'll already have current gen consoles beat.
>Problem is you're comparing this to Windows when consoles are the main competitor
This. Steam boxes are launching with over 1,800 titles available. Has any console ever had 1,800 titles at EOL?
you know most people dont even know what in-home streaming is. this isnt a thing the mainstream will get into
consoles a competitor? heh it took them 8 years to release new gen, consoles are obviously dying. Now we have "little PCs" that serve the same purpose and if the marketing for this gets better we will see more and more in the future (SteamOS, nVidia SHIELD, OUJA)
what kind of mental gymnastics does a steam baby have to go through?
no one in their right mind actually thinks these are competing with consoles. console users dont have one reason to give a flying fuck about this. and no, they really dont; controllers are useless in basically every game since there is no aim assists, and multiplayer is 99% useless since there are no controller only servers.
oh wait, you are saying just use a keyboard and mouse? well then i will kindly tell you to go fuck yourself because these people would be better off buying a normal prebuilt.
these things are a fucking joke and >>46759699
just reaffirms how fucking delusional steamdrones are
>consoles a competitor?
Yes, do you really not realize people don't want a Windows machine running in their living room? Even setting a startup mode is too much for many people. Consoles are supposed to appeal to children that have no computer skills as well.
/g/ is completely ignorant of how computer illiterate most of the world is.
no, it isnt. and no console user is going to give up the aim assisted current control schemes just for MUH GRAFIX MUH FREEDOMS.
and again, online play is usless in anything but a flight/racing game, which narrows down your selection of line games to like fucking 4.
well i guess platformers and other indie stuff counts as well, but no one cares about that shit
I will second this, I actually haven used a mouse/kb for a year now. I'd rather relax on the couch.
Do you not realize that games still have aim assist when a controller is plugged in on PC?
>no, it isnt. and no console user is going to give up the aim assisted current control schemes just for MUH GRAFIX MUH FREEDOMS.
Not everyone is some autistic faggot that only cares about competitive play. In fact most aren't. This isn't for them obviously.
>No large name provider would do that.
Why not? Their happy enough to install any amount of malware on your machine already. If they care enough to design and sell steam machines, they'll care to install windows on them.
>Also what if you run into issues?
Then you fix them, like when you run into issues on your PC.
Hey, what happens when you run into issues on Steam OS?
Because it's backwards for many reasons. No one is going to pay for a windows license to run 1 program for one. It's not going to happen. You trying to shoehorn it in to try to support your half assed argument isn't going to change it.
>what happens when you run into issues on Steam OS?
Same thing you'd probably do with consoles, I wouldn't know since I've never dealt with an issue like that on a console. Probably wait for an update. Issues with Windows are much more extensive since it's a full desktop solution.
no, i am talking about any controller.
which games are those? which games provide controller only multiplayer servers?
well if this is for steam users, you might have to rethink your statement, since the top 10 games being played would all suck balls on a controller. well skyrim probably would be fine, football manager i dont know since its kind of a weird genre. and those top 10 games on the stats list account for more than the majority of people playing
>well if this is for steam users, you might have to rethink your statement, since the top 10 games being played would all suck balls on a controller
This is to expand the market retard. Why is this so hard for you to understand? They've already cornered the PC market obviously.
>which games are those?
Last played FC4 and it had an aim assist option
>which games provide controller only multiplayer servers?
Never said any did but you can see for my response to that >>46759860
Expand the market to what? Don't try to act like being 'competitive' has anything to do with this. Most of the console games people would move to either don't exist or their PC counterparts would provide the same problems. You have yet to bring any valid points to why console players should care.
Revision after revision, and the people who use it always says it isn't anything special.
It's cure how if someone wants to play multiplayer that makes them autistic and competitive. How else will you avoid the point?
>You have yet to bring any valid points to why console players should care.
Cheaper games, more indi titles, better hardware, friends that play on steam, etc
I mean really there's a bunch of reasons. Are you even trying?
>How else will you avoid the point?
What did I avoid? I never said there were console servers. Why are you avoiding the point that most people don't care? Why do you think games are becoming more and more casualized?
But their friends already play on consoles. And if they actually cared they would have already owned a prebuilt/laptop to accomplish the same thing. Cheaper games is hit or miss, since if you buy your games new at release when you want to play them the difference is marginal. And indie titles could be argued in both directions.
Better hardware? Again, if these people cared about their graphics they would have already purchased a prebuilt.
Wanting to play a game online has nothing to do with being casual or hardcore, if you think for a second someone is going to bother playing controller vs kb/mouse you are delusional.
>But their friends already play on consoles.
>And if they actually cared they would have already owned a prebuilt/laptop to accomplish the same thing.
Gaming on a laptop when they have a TV? No. People do use prebuilts on TVs either.
Look, I can't enjoy traditional controllers on consoles. I would like to be able to enjoy them, but I can't. Good for others that they can.
He finds it awesome to use a controller with steam games. "no, it isn't" is just you saying that you can't enjoy it, fine.
Who says that aim assist will even be needed (or exist) when there's the steam controller that's not out yet?
I'd just say we don't know yet.
>Revision after revision, and the people who use it always says it isn't anything special.
So you don't know. Let's wait for it to come out.
>Wanting to play a game online has nothing to do with being casual or hardcore
Never said that bud. Caring about the differences in skill because of KB/M and controller is. No one cares.
>going to bother playing controller vs kb/mouse you are delusional.
Plenty of people have asked for PC/console cross servers in the past. People would rather play with friends than give a shit about controllers being a limiting factor. In fact many console players are in denial that controllers are worse even.
What the fuck do you mean 'says who'? If they cared about playing with their friends on PC, they would already be fucking doing it. That means their friends would either be able to build one for them or provide the proper means to get one, how the fuck could you not understand something like this?
No, you are trying to move the goalposts and talking about someone being hardcore when it has nothing to do with this. Playing a game on the same level playing field is not being 'hardcore', its called actually having the ability to enjoy the game.
>If they cared about playing with their friends on PC, they would already be fucking doing it.
Because everyone has had the same case as you? I know for a fact back in high school I had friends that I could only play on consoles with.
> That means their friends would either be able to build one for them or provide the proper means to get one, how the fuck could you not understand something like this?
God you're clueless. Online friends don't usually live in the same state bro. You do have friends right?
>No, you are trying to move the goalposts and talking about someone being hardcore when it has nothing to do with this.
I never said anything about being "hardcore" bud.
>its called actually having the ability to enjoy the game.
Yeah, for you, which isn't most people who couldn't give two shits. God can you just kill yourself already. Your opinion doesn't account for everyone. I wouldn't personally use a controller vs a kb/m either but at least I see that I'm a minority.
I would immediately pre-order the steam controller if it looked more like this.
The extra buttons are easily reachable from the touchpads and seeing as the touchpad can function close to an analog stick it seems better to replace it with a d-pad for menus and 2d games.
I could really see those extra buttons. The more the better.
Concerning a dpad: I think it really depends on the game how important it would be.
I don't know how important a real analog stick is, but if it is it's probably prioritised over a dpad.
I really think they should have just made two controllers instead of trying to fit every usage scenario into one.
Make one simple controller that's cheap and then make another more complex with the trackpads.
But the touchpads tilt do they not? It might take a little getting used to but it would be a nice middleground between wasd and analog.
Meanwhile I really can't see myself playing anything 2d without a dpad. I also personally like navigating menus with one more because I overshoot less.
Yeah but that opens pandoras box for "here's your controller, sorry it's the only other one" and the hell that was the wii with it's 80 different controllers.
couple of pictures of an email account shows Source 2 being ported to older valve releases and leaked slideshow shows a L4D2 reworked level on source2 thats supposedly from L4D3
I can tell you the Powerball number for this Friday will be one of the following:
Telling you anything more would get me killed.
If any anon wants to call me out on this, go ahead and screencap this, report back Friday.
I'm not sure. They seem to have these modes though (pic).
>Yeah but that opens pandoras box for "here's your controller, sorry it's the only other one"
Rather that then something that's a jack of all trades and master of none. With SteamVR being a thing we're going to see a bunch of different input devices anyway.
>Proper (non circlular) d-pad
There is a god.
>xbox button scheme
Ehh, I'd prefer if they differentiated it but I guess this is for compatibility with all the pc games the default to that when you have a controller plugged in.
Ideally the controller would be modular so that positioning isn't an arguement but that would make it more expensive and probably more prone to failure.
Probably but I feel like fragmentation, at least early on, would really deter some people. Mainly the ones that steam machines are aimed at.
As long as it isn't madcatz tier the controller will probably be fine.
Modularity would be great. Valve even patented some shit like that as can be seen in >>46756604 but the final version won't have that I guess.
These modes make a lot of sense but I think they're just trackpad pictures from the settings where you can say that you want the trackpad to emulate a dpad or an analog stick for example.
Oh, that's a bit of a disappointment then.
>>46756604 looks so promising too with less conventional things like the trackball.
Although there's always the chance that
A: They will release different models with different alignments or
B. They will have one that comes bundled with steam machines and is cheaper to buy and have a separate modular model somewhere down the line.
>A: They will release different models with different alignments or
>B. They will have one that comes bundled with steam machines and is cheaper to buy and have a separate modular model somewhere down the line.
hoping for that.
because the recording overhead varies depending on what program you're using.
Anyway, his (much)more recent videos show windows performing as well or better than linux in multiple games. I'm not sure what software he's using for windows now though, looks like msi afterburner.
Ok that's one game, but it's questionable that the new metro game is entirely equivalent on linux. The old one had a lot of missing graphical features versus windows, and some people say the linux versions of the new games are still missing tesselation and volumetric lighting,which I believe was added back into the windows versions.
If you actually read anything, you'd have noticed that he's not using any capture programs at all on Windows, and is instead using a camera.
On Linux, he actually IS using a capture program. Your argument backfired, friend.
But to be honest, I'm willing to bet that screen capture on Linux shits on performance less than on Windows, and he thought that it would be a fairer comparison to not use screen capture on Windows.
If anything, that video showcases that Linux is more than ready for gaming with use of OpenGL and that OpenGL is competitive with DirectX. Now the only thing that's preventing Linux gaming are the drivers. The more there's a proof of concept for Linux gaming, the more consumer demand there'll be for decent Linux drivers. It won't be long before the Linux drivers catch up to the Windows drivers, and once that happens, you'd better believe that there'll be a mass-migration of gamers to Linux.
>some people say the linux versions of the new games are still missing tesselation and volumetric lighting,
Yeah, I said it's questionable. As in, some people dispute it. The linux version probably has tesselation, but I'm almost 100% sure it's still missing the volumetric lighting the windows version has. If there's official word on this from the developers, cool. I don't have time to look for it.
The Metro video.
But it looks like it doesn't matter much-- it seems as if Nvidia hardware does a better job with OpenGL on Linux than it does with DirectX on Windows. If you watch the video comparing CS:GO on each OS, you'll see that not only does Linux get better framerate, it is also MORE STABLE, and renders more effects (Linux seemed to keep blood spatter effects around longer than Windows did).
>it's questionable. As in, some people dispute it.
If I say that your mother's got VD and whores around town for ten dollars a BJ after I snort a few lines and take a bunch of acid, does that make the sanctity of your mother's vagina "questionable?"
No, because the opinions of uninformed idiots is worth exactly bunk.
>I'm almost 100% sure it's still missing the volumetric lighting
>But I'm not going to look for any proof
As I said, the opinions of uninformed idiots is worth exactly bunk.
>As I said, the opinions of uninformed idiots is worth exactly bunk.
Don't even think of it that way, it's either useful idiots or shills spreading disinfo.
Once you set a 'fact' in place, it suddenly becomes the onus of the non-idiot to rebuke the claim, as if the claim itself was legitimate and your statement based on reality is some sort of contrarion opinion.
Don't let the shills trap you.
reminder that your own DNS server has to either:
- Essentially work as a forwarding server, pulling requests from another server on demand.
>in which case the NSA will just get it from there, or compromise your server.
- Pulls down all records and maintains a complete DNS system, updating every hour/day/week etc to get updated records
>in which case you are already on a watchlist and NSA are pulling your entire session at your ISP.
Any guesses as to what the hardware and 3d API will be like?
AMD don't really appear to have an off the shelf APU that is good enough. Any chance valve paid for a semi custom APU for a reference platform?
I have seen some APU design speculation where they use a HBM module as a cache to offset the lack of bandwidth of ddr3. It's the same idea as intel 128mb EDRAM but you would get between 1gb-4gb instead. The HBM ram has been in production for some time but strangely absent from actual products.
>As you'll notice, there is no visual difference. Notice the rocks behind the camper? It is shaped exactly the same for both. Visual face features? Exactly the same.
>no visual difference.
>IF YOU DONT SUCK VALVE COCK YOU ARE AN AUTIST WAAAAAAAAAAH
>IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME, AUTIST
Damn, even this board has been invaded with valve shills.
>playing the console version of anything when there's a PC version
oh boy, I sure love to pay 10 bucks more for lower resolution, slower framerate, shittier textures, no mods, worse multiplayer and fewer control options
You should probably have your eyes check if you can't tell differences between the pictures and if you don't see the horrible effect of SMAA.
>not just downscaling for the best image quality
>Will this play all my games
Is it being marketed directly to existing steam users or will it be aimed at newfags who are still deciding weather to go with JapanStation or MurricaBox?
Am I the only one on this planet that actually *dislikes* AA? I can't put my finger on why - I turn it off habitually even though it barely makes a difference in frames and with it on max I still usually have more frames than my monitors rate (60hz). I can't put my finger on why I don't like it - am I crazy?
AA is a bad solution to a worse problems.
No AA whatsoever leaves horrid jaggies.
SSAA uses MORE resources than simply downscaling (having to sample a single pixel to multiple adjacent points, even more if you have edge-detect garbage)
MSAA kills quality (see pic related)
FXAA/SMAA/TXAA all add blur.
GeDoSaTo downscaling with lanczos filters is the best for DX9 and below.
DSR/VSR downscaling is best for anything higher than DX9
>Because GeDoSaTo doesn't do higher than DX9 right now
>Gabe steps on stage
>Gabe: I'm very proud today to announce our new SteamVR hardware...
>a pedestal with Valve's VR HMD lights up
>Gabe: Running Half Life 3.
>Implying it won't be a HL2 port to source2 with some new fancy lighting or shaders, but no other changes - just like Half Life Source
>Half Life 2 Source 2
>Half Life 2 Episode 2 Source 2
Supersampling is taking a source and sampling pixels around it as well as sampling extra rendered pixels that won't be normally be shown.
So a 1080p scene with 4xSSAA is still rendering at 1080p, it's just also rendering lots of extra pixels to use as intermediate sampling points - better than MSAA which only samples existing adjacent pixels but slower* due to the logistics of the operation than simply rendering the scene at 4K then downsampling it back to 1080p.
>* It's not hugely slower, but SSAA also has other issues with some (buggy) engines/renderers which downsampling wouldn't.
That's pretty much exactly what it does - if you have a 1080p screen with VSR on, you'll also have 2560x1440 and 3200x1800 resolution options in games, choose them and the game will render at that resolution and them downsample it back to 1080p.
nV's DSR works the same as does GeDoSaTo
Only problem with AMD VSR is 16:10 monitors, it only gives you a max VSR resolution of 2560x1600 - you can't even choose the 16:9 resolutions and live with letterboxing.
Last I knew valve was developing some layer to convert d3d calls to something opengl compatible.
Not sure how comprehensive or full that translation is or can be, or how expensive performance wise.
Not disagreeing with you cause I don't own the game, but I thought it was a doom 3 bfg flashlight shadow type thing, where they took it out of the new version only to add it back in because of demand.
So what type of Steam Machine do you guys think Valve is going to point everyone's money to? Intel's gaming NUCs seem like a viable option and there have been rumors about them partnering with Valve.
What about the SteamVR dev kit? How do you all think it'll work in conjunction with the rest of Steam Universe?