Arch appreciation thread.
>Arch and its variants
>Gentoo and its variants
>tfw you realize Arch is a meme distro and all the hours you spent getting it to work was a waste of time
Why does it have a CLI install in 2015? Why doesn't it have basic shit you're going to be installing anyway like Xorg or ALSA pre-installed? Why should I install Arch over Manjaro NET?
Because having Arch with any of those things preinstalled isn't The Arch Way. It's about making a system exactly how you want and installing exactly what you want. If you want the benefits of Arch without the troubles of a CLI installation(which is actually quite simple), then install Manjaro. But I liked taking the time to select the software for my specific needs and not having to uninstall or just waste HDD space with preinstalled stuff.
Because it's a minimal distro and the installer reflects the philosophy. If you're not able to install from CLI, you're surely not capable of following The Arch Way and will shit up the distro in weeks, after which you will shit up online forums with your problems and moaning. The CLI installer is a very nice and necessary touch in my opinion.
It took me like 10 hours to compile the entire wpa_supplicant ebuild. But during installation it's all there, so really it wasn't too big of a deal. Linux is generally much simpler when you're using a LAN connection.
I installed it and had no trouble. I just don't agree with a philosophy for making shit complicated/take longer for the purpose of making shit complicated/take longer. If you truly want to build your own system from nothing install Gentoo or LFS, otherwise you fell for the meme that is Arch Linux.
I'm not interested in building my system from nothing. I don't see the need to compile my packages. I want a minimal install that is configurable to my needs and intuitive and efficient to use.
This is why I said "/take longer" because I knew someone would type out the entire install process and imply that I implied it was hard. It's not hard, it just takes longer than an automated install for no reason other than your arbitrary Arch Way.
It actually is much quicker than an automated installer because there's no bloat that's being put on the computer. After you do it once or twice, it can take less than 30 minutes.
>I knew someone would type out the entire install process and imply that I implied it was hard
Is this guy serious?
Installing is something you do once per computer, it doesn't matter at all how long or difficult the install process is, it's a completely irrelevant part over the lifetime of the computer.
>people would rather install a shit OS that takes 20 mins to install instead of installing a non-shit OS that takes poteantially a longer time
Do you people have to reinstall your operating system like every day?
>find out archlinuxcn repo
>no need for AUR wrappers anymore
when you runpacstrap /mnt baseyou can go ahead and add what you like there too, likepacstrap /mnt base xorg-server xf86-video-radeon pulseaudio lxdm lxqtetc, and they will install along with base
also, xorg may not be needed for some purposes, such as a server, and you don't need to install alsa, it comes with the kernel
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>What is the point of making your OS as much of a pain in the ass as possible?
It might be a pain in the ass for someone retarded, but for the people who rtfm it's a piece of cake.
Stay retarded, retard :^)
>I use arch on a tablet
>tfw I finally switch from windows to Arch full time
>development is 10000x easier to set up
>everything is fast and (relatively) easy and i get higher framerates in CS:GO
I should have believed sooner.
Just installed crunchbang on an IBM T61, and daym this thing works nicely.
Love the keyboards on these things.
Not really sure what to do with it though, and crunchbang has been discontinued, with only crunchbang++ as the beta "sequel".
So, how is archbang?
I've never used arch, but I've installed gentoo on a laptop before. I really liked it, although it was a pain in the ass to compile everything once you needed to install something.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you need to set up special repositories for access to binaries with gentoo?
installed/configured Arch using ais
The hardest part about Arch is installing it and setting it up, maintenance is easy.
Installing it isn't even hard if you use a script.
Enabling non-free repo is so hard. Libav is nice, and dpkg is more popular and I don't have to fuck around to find .pkg file. I am former and I know what I have lose and I know that it was worth it.
Mostly, cause Arch has bored me. The community are total asses mostly and there's no replacement. With debian I can use any people who use debian based OS. Also every Arch user on forums acts like 12 year old.
I L.O.V.E arch, which I use on my laptop, for with it I've entered a glorious hipster realm where, because I followed a wiki's instructions and cut and pasted a few commands from it, I'm entitled to declare myself part of a master race of clearly better people.
I feel entitled to go on /g/ and bellow my apparent superiority at anyone else who dares not use the holy Arch!
I Sneer at those who choose differently. They are clearly mentally deranged, why choose anything but Arch!?!
I Worship Arch daily with -Syyuu, only through the command use of pacman, as GUIs are frowned upon, why use anything else?
I Deride operating systems with installers, even though the AIS and Evo/lution exist, I will always suppress their existence and publicly deride people who choose not to read a wiki, haha such fools for wanting choice! The only way is the Arch Way after all.
I enjoy the simple pleasure of mocking those who install deviations from the purity of Arch (I shall not mention the heretical names of those, they befoul the very internet and displease our Lord, Saviour and most verdant champions Allan McRae - hallowed be his unbiased blog posts).
I do not try to calmly and rationally explain why Arch is better, merely namecall, as I am obviously superior and have no need to reduce ourselves to rational discourse to explain my superior nature for choosing the MOST superior of all Operating Systems.
Most of all, READ THE WIKI, READ THE WIKI OR DIE, HAVE YOU READ THE WIKI, DON'T USE ANYTHING BUT THE WIKI, READ THE WIKI ALWAYS READ THE WIKI NEVER NOT READING THE WIKI!
I installed Arch yesterday because I was interested in using the AUR. I swear to god the yaourt script is the ugliest thing I've ever used. I also would never know if I needed to install something from the arch repo or the aur based on my other programs i've installed in debian and fedora. I also had dependency issues on the first package I tried to install (VMD) from the AUR. Additionally the powertop-autotune-systemd script in the aur didn't even enable itself in system.d so that whole affair was pointless.
I did learn how to configure netctl manually to connect to my university PEAP/MSCHAPv2, which is sort of pointless considering that every other distro I've used will connect automatically. I learned a lot about GPT, mountpoints, etc.
So all in all, a great learning experience, but an unusable distro for day to day use do to the unreliability of the repos.
>Additionally the powertop-autotune-systemd script in the aur didn't even enable itself in system.d
things enabling and starting themselves upon install is something i disliked about debian/ubuntu
Which is why you should(unironically) install gentoo. You learn much more about the system and if you're not using the AUR there's virtually no benefit of using Arch over Gentoo.
Isn't that the whole idea of having a systemd script in the aur? A download and an installation?
I'd rather just compile it myself than install something that is fucked up
Afraid of dat kernel config tho
As opposed to bigger repos and easily downloadable .deb files. Also:
>rolling distro on servers
have fun with that every day 0 exploits. Install something normal for server jak centOS, or debian stable.
So I just installed arch and I have a couple questions.
1. I had ~40 gig unallocated drive space that I installed arch on. Everything is on this partition. Yet it says I only have 9.49 GB of space on conky. Is this an error or did something go wrong?
2. I'm on a laptop and I know people bitch about systemd all the time. Is there an alternative I can use for power management?
>tfw everything on this is true
Everyone on arch forums acts like pretentious hipster.
Minimal debian is often lighter than Arch. Also, give me popular architecture which debian can't run on?
>>there's no bloat that's being put on the computer.
>meaningless buzzword post
>things enabling and starting themselves upon install is something i disliked about debian/ubuntu
that's perfectly reasonable, why would you install something and not want to run it?
make install will place whatever it wants into the filesystem, and you're the one who has to track it.
I'd rather have an AUR script generate a proper package.
Tell me about how Debian unstable has, KDE 5 or GNOME 3.16. It doesn't, because no matter how big its repo is, you can't outpace the community. To get those, people will recommend community-maintained PPAs. Well shit, in that case, you might as well be using Arch.
>rolling distro on servers
I never said that.
>Additionally the powertop-autotune-systemd script in the aur didn't even enable itself in system.d so that whole affair was pointless.
Wow, are you too stupid to enable a script in systemd? If the installer doesn't do it for you, then you give up?
>I swear to god the yaourt script is the ugliest thing I've ever used.
yaourt isn't part of Arch, it's a third party program. And why the hell aren't you using pacaur?
>I also would never know if I needed to install something from the arch repo or the aur based on my other programs i've installed in debian and fedora
Maybe do a search?
>I did learn how to configure netctl manually to connect to my university PEAP/MSCHAPv2, which is sort of pointless considering that every other distro I've used will connect automatically
Please post the package you are using to automatically hack into MSCHAP auth access points.
>do to the unreliability of the repos
Nigger what. AUR is probably bigger than the repos of all of the other distros combined, and works flawless.
>that's perfectly reasonable, why would you install something and not want to run it?
You mean, why would you install something and not want it to run automatically on startup? Oh, I don't know, maybe the same reason why I don't want my computer to automatically execute every binary on every USB drive inserted into it like the whore Windows is?
Yes you can run Arch by copying and pasting. But if you don't understand and are not interested in the Arch Way, your system will die a painful death somewhere along the way. Arch is for people that want to follow the Arch Way. If you want to install it for memes then it's your fault if you get a negative experience. No need to feel inferior.
Arch is bleeding edge distro, you will get very risky packages which need testing. Thank god, that arch looks so friendly that it is great test field for testing hyper-new packages. We have bigger official repos, which are maintained slower but safer. Remeber that for numbers: KDE 4.5=KDE 5, it is still few packages. Also a lot of packes in AUR are just edited .debs. I will never say that Arch is useless. Phaw, I still have another laptop with Arch installed, and I am to lazy to install sid. And I will still stay with same point: All linux distros are equal.
I use antergos as my main distro. I like bleeding edge stuff for haskell development. It also helps that a large part of the haskell community uses arch.
I've had relatively few issues with it. Wifi worked out of the box, but Gnome/KDE/XFCE all had small problems (shitty variable width fonts in terminal, wrapping behavior is messed up, wifi modal doesn't pop up), but these are minor annoyances and I can solve them by installing a different terminal emulator. (I solved it by changing to ksh, but whatever).
How much faster would that be with a gui ?
The correct answer is this - it depends.
For people who are experienced with working with the command line and a have some knowledge about what makes their operating systems tick, the CLI is probably faster.
For people who don't care, the gui will most definitely be the better choice.
The thing about these retards that leaves me without a clue is the fact that they have such a strong opinion about something that gives more choice. It's not like the existence of a different distribution of linux/operating system actively makes their lives worse. In fact, just because it is a different choice, it makes their lives better by actively making other peoples lives better (because we rely on each other, yadda yadda, easing the life of a fellow human being most likely will make your own life easier).
>Wow, are you too stupid to enable a script in systemd? If the installer doesn't do it for you, then you give up?
No, I wanted to see what AUR would do for me and it seemed like a simple test. It is just stupid that the script wouldn't go ahead and enable the damn service itself.
>yaourt isn't part of Arch, it's a third party program. And why the hell aren't you using pacaur?
I tried pacaur and it kept giving me errors about incorrect metadata. Considering that your whole argument is that AUR IS AWESOME, perhaps it should be considered as part of the distro. Otherwise, Arch has literally nothing going for it.
>Maybe do a search?
dnf search "" is way easier
>Please post the package you are using to automatically hack into MSCHAP auth access points.
Not hacking, just connecting, I had to set up a wpa-configsection with all of that esoteric bullshit that other distros fill out for you
>Nigger what. AUR is probably bigger than the repos of all of the other distros combined, and works flawless.
>$ pacman -Syu
>WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module
> available for the current kernel (3.18.6-1-ARCH) or it failed to
> load. Please reinstall the kernel module virtualbox-host-modules or
> if you don't use our stock kernel compile the modules with
> sudo dkms autoinstall
> You will not be able to start VMs until this problem is fixed.
every goddamn time
I at least expected it to install the first two programs I tried to use it for. Since both failed miserably I decided to cut my losses. If you want to see for yourself, trying installing VMD from the AUR. It was the whole reason I tried arch because I hate compiling/configuring that thing and I've done it like 10 times in the past year.
official as in the actual developers, as a 3rd party, not canonical you stupid cunt
it may be hard for you to understand, arch needing shell scripts because they have zero 3rd party support
>tfw debian is still more compatible with everything
>tfw debian can use gnu hurd or kFreeBSD
>tfw debian can run on arm,MIPS, PowerPC and much other
Compability is not argument if you want to defend arch.
>It is just stupid that the script wouldn't go ahead and enable the damn service itself.
If you wanted things done for you, consider buying Apple. You don't even have to think anymore since Apple does that for you!
>Not hacking, just connecting, I had to set up a wpa-configsection with all of that esoteric bullshit that other distros fill out for you
You must've fucked up. My uni connection (MSCHAP also) took a minute to configure.
>I tried pacaur and it kept giving me errors about incorrect metadata.
I'm not sure how you are fucking up this badly since I never had this problem.
For a package repo? Bigger definitely is better.
>mfw find package
>not in Debian/Ubuntu repo
>COMPILE FROM SOURCE MOTHERFUCKER WHO NEEDS PACKAGE MANAGEMENT
>it's in the AUR
>dnf search ""
pacman -Ss penis
Wow, such hard.
It literally tells you what's wrong and how to fix it.
If it's bothering you that much file a bug report and write a bash script to fix it automatically. Oh wait, bash must be too hard for you.
I've never had a successful installation of ubuntu.
I'm currently on arch mainly because I didn't need to play dice with the installer. It worked after I had punched the commands in and I went from there.
>If you wanted things done for you, consider buying Apple. You don't even have to think anymore since Apple does that for you!
I figured that sudo yaogurt -S powertop-autotune-systemd.service
Would be enough to install the fucking thing. I've got to then look at what the service is named at sudo systemctl enable it.
They might as well just provide a rawtext file then so I could do it myself in 1/10 the time. If that's the Arch Way then it doesn't make any sense to me.
Which is old as fuck or buggy as fuck.
In this day and age, I can't see a reason for using non rolling release distribution on the desktop. For servers, it's either CentOS, or if you're doing development- Arch.
Wait, wat ? How would that differ from sudo apt-get install service && sudo service service-name start ?
>Arch user repository
AUR is great and all, but I wouldn't pull libc or anything critical off of it.
idk what the fuck this thing is but it's working
if you got a file missing error it's because you didn't read the pkgbuild, which states that you must download the vmd package from the linked site and place it in the pkgbuild folder (in the case of yaourt, it'll be /tmp/yaourt-tmp-<username>/vmd)
presumably the reason for this is because you need to register on their site to download anything, so the pkgbuild can't hotlink to it
They were talking about AUR and who maintains packages in AUR.
If you do a pacman -S or yaourt -S a package which is in the pacman repos, you only have to confirm once. If you're that butthurt about confirmation, then please add --no-confirm at the end of every transaction. Even better, alias pacman and yaourt to pacman --noconfirm and yaourt --noconfirm respectively.
And wasn't Sid the distro which couldn't get systemd right ?
You get a very finely tuned system which can be as stable or bleeding edge as you want. It's great for server setups when you won't be compiling too many large GUI packages like XOrg.
>you will get very risky packages which need testing.
Why do you spread wrong information? How are they risky? Why do they need more testing than, let's say, Firefox on Windows? There's literally no difference between Firefox in the Arch repos and downloading the latest Firefox for Windows. The same applies to any other software.
>Autists arrive in thread demanding an explanation of why Arch users prefer Arch. Then proceed to claim they brag about it.
You need to update your picture too, it's so old now, and you've surely graduated highschool by now right?
Post -Syu.:: Synchronizing package databases...
infinality-bundle-multilib is up to date
infinality-bundle is up to date
infinality-bundle-fonts is up to date
core is up to date
extra is up to date
community is up to date
multilib is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
there is nothing to do
Spewed a bunch of bullshit about the Manjaro distro. I can understand being angry about basically stealing Arch's work and making a spin off, but the rest of his claims sounded like the rants of an angry Windows fanboy. Read his blog and see for yourself.
....duh fuq are you talking about?
GNOME's network manager will take care of most any network security and protocol that exists. Plus it isn't only locked to just GNOME users. With a little tweaking, you can use it in virtually every DE.
The repos are perfectly reliable, the only ones that can be flakey are the unofficial ones (which can break Arch anyways).
For a home user or day to day user, one doesn't even need to touch the AUR. Any package necessary is in the official repos. The only reason a program is in the AUR is because the developer isn't working on it as heavily (sometimes not at all).
You need to play with Arch more if your complaining about shit like this. Go back to Linux Mint or Ubuntu if you don't want to configure anything.
I ran apt-get autoremove and it removed 350MB of packages including the DE.
It's like I'm really using Arch.
I finally installed Arch and I'm trying to learn more about window managers Can someone tell me what this guy is using? What WM is that? What sort of apps is he using? (that browser, the audio player, etc)
>The only reason a program is in the AUR is because the developer isn't working on it as heavily (sometimes not at all).
Or due to licensing issues, which I imagine to be the reason Dropbox isn't in the official repos.
hey, if I wanted to try out the gentoo live DVD, which version should I pick? AMD64 or x86? ( the system I would probably tested on would be core I-5 2600, it's a 64-bit CPU but it's also x86.... so I'm not sure
same question if I was going to use it on an AMD phenom II 720 three core