who does this benefit, actually no. lets take this a step further. who does even 8 gb benefit? no one, you just get it because it's the "standard" or the "consensus"
Heavy video/image editing.
>you mean there's more you can do with a computer than facebook?!
Try to run 3 browsers, each with 10+ opened tabsm, 5+ instances of Excel, Outlook, Lync, a small test MySQL database and a single VM with a Linux test enviroment.
Let me know, how it went with 4GB RAM and how productive you were.
I run background programs like DisplayFusion. Ibalso have steam, spotify, skype and chrome open at all times. Add some other shit to that and you've got over 5gb used. 8gb is nice, i dont understand 16 either for normal use
I have been working with 8GB since '07. When working with virtual machines to any serious extent, 8GB is the bare minimum and has been for some time. In my next build, I plan to invest in at least 32GB. If most consumer boards support it by the time that I get around to it, I'll go for 64GB.
windows can easily use 3gb ram without trying. And I'm the kind of person who doesn't have a gorillion tabs and other instances of pointless programs running at all times. When i had 8gb ram, i'd get windows running out of memory warnings while gaming, though i don't think it was ever actually the case. But if you don't plan on upgrading your computer very often, makes sense to go a bit high and hope it will be good still when everyone's running ddr4 and you're still plebin it up with ddr3
you run a bunch of background shit not because you need to or because it helps you, but because you want to justify the absurd money you spent on your computer.
>you're on /g/
pretend computer workers the board. whats your point
i do fine with 4GB of RAM.
Right now I have:
Chrome with about 20 tabs
all open and my computer is only using 3 gigs of ram
more RAM would be nice, but it's not the 90s any more, the era of needing a new computer every couple of years is over
>'d get windows running out of memory warnings while gaming,
did you turn off your pagefile like a dumbass
Okay, tbh if I browse in Chrome 1GB more is used, but still, Windows memory management is based.
No, I run VMs for compiling shit. And then I often have a game or two running in the foreground (often times I'll leave one on and wait for someone on my friends list to be playing while I'm actually actively playing a different game).
You don't have to work with computers for a living to be interested in tech.
I hear some o' those kiddies with their Minecraft servers might need a little more than 4 geebee of RAM some days.
i went from using 3G ram for a few years to 8G for a couple months, then 24G
fuck it's nice having plenty of memory, can run fucking everything, and always have a good amount used for read cache
I'm usually running a VM or two in the background, I can easily max out 8GB
How heavy is heavy? New pc, debating on 8 v 16 as i like to fuck around with Sony Vegas and other editing tools occasionally.
Easily. Firefox is the primary hog along with windows and other shit, but if i get anything else running on top of that, I'll easily hit the limit. Hell, when running Einstein@home, it often has to cut several of the applications from running because my system doesnt have enough physical memory to run it all at once.
Some people use their computers for more than facebook you know.
I actualy noticed a huge increase in fps after upgrading from 4 to 8gb in coh2 on high settings, apparently it uses alot of ram. I didn't buy 'epic gaymen' ram though, just some cheap slow speed shit because the speed doesn't matter for shit for fps
What actual benefit does Hyperthreading give, if all I do is gaming and running VMs?
Yeah, I remember when fuckwits said nothing more than 2GB was needed in 2008. Because a bunch of shart munchers were all running xp like plebs, then when people migrated to 7 they were all like, OOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOH WHAT TYPE OF FAGGOT HAS MORE THAN 4GB #REKT >IMBLYAN. Then we had the fraudulent "ram shortage" and prices skyrocketed. Now anything under 8GB is unacceptable because shit like chrome just eats it up like a fatty at a dessert bar.
TL;DR an average user can make full use of 8GB ram. Even our shitty work computers have 8GB.
VMs get a boost as they can take basically anything they can get and go with it.
Gaming is much more picky. Some games that make good use of multi-threading can find good use for it, but most only use about 2-4 threads, with the bulk concentrated onto 1-2 threads, which in turn can be serviced by 2 cores.
Video transcoding makes good use of hyperthreading, with the only limitation being how fast you can feed the beast (work disk speed). I've turned my 8C/16T Xeon loose on some video transcoding, and I slammed into the disk speed wall long before the CPU topped out when rendering down high bitrate files.
3D rendering also makes good use of it, although why you would want to do that on a laptop is beyond me.
>not having your OS use every little bit of RAM to cache everything into it
running Crunchbang linux on an i7 2600K with 8 Gig of ram. I am using 552megs. If I run windows in virtualbox my memory usage goes up to 2.76Gig but only because I allocated 2 gig to windows 7.
nope, got all 32gb of pagefile still, i'm not sure if it was complaining about video memory or what, I assumed it was referring to ram, but maybe it was gpu. Neither was very close to the maximum at least after the warning when I'd check it.
Teach me your fucking ways goddamn
These days? Yes. There are a few programs that get a 0 to negative increase (only by a few percent) w/ hyperthreading on, but these programs are few and far between. Single threaded programs dont get much of a boost, because they're single threaded, and heavily optimized multi-threaded programs that can suck up an entire core's resources (Tripcode Explorer is an example of this) also see near 0% improvement.
I dunno, I can't notice the difference between this and my last phone which was 1080p. I thought it would have shitty performance and battery life but it's lasting a day and a half and runs smooth as butter (apart from the fucking android 5.0 memory leak). The screen is 5.5 inches but that still doesn't justify having that many pixels
You need higher PPI displays for devices you hold near your eyes.
It's exactly why 400-500 PPI is perfectly fine on phones you hold like 20cm away from your face, but not necessary on, say, TVs where you sit several meters away.
Also, small high-res displays are being mass produced due to phones, thus making them cheaper and more advanced for VR headsets.
Also, going from a 4.7" ~330 PPI Nexus 4 to a 5.7" ~515 PPI Note 4 was a huge improvement in terms of sharpness for me.
I have no idea how you discerned this from that post, but I'm not sure if that makes me an idiot or you one.
From what I gathered
is using a hypervisor with virtual machines on, like ESX or Hyper-V. It COULD be a regular windows or linux box virtual machines on, but there's really no telling, is there?
6 GB here.
I can runs several apps at once, but it seems to be the limit.
8 GB is perfect for me.
About to go from 2.7Ghz dual-core | 6GB RAM --> 2.3Ghz quad-core| 8GB RAM
Curious to see how performance differs.
You people know that the more RAM you have the more your computer will use right? If you have 8GB of RAM and htop shows 4.1GB used, that doesn't mean your computer would explode if you had 4GB instead.
For a while, I was poor and restricted to 1GB RAM (after the other stick died) on Vista. Guess what? Playing video games on that system wasn't very fun and killed my HDD due to excessive swapping. Meaning I lost a lot of personal data like pictures from my family and stuff just because I didn't have enough RAM.
So, just like people who have survived famines and droughts, nowadays I tend to hoard and 20GB seems to be the fine spot of being safe for another couple years at least.
I just bought another 4gb stick for my father's work computer because it was filling up. Guess what, Windows is using caching, if your computer is seemingly using 3-3.5 gb out of 4, it probably already cached a lot to the hard drives, and you would actually benefit, speed-wise, out of higher memory.
Try running Windows 7, Firefox and Chrome with 8 to 12 tabs each, various background processes, image editing, and a VM or two.
I regularly hit 10 to 12 GB of my 16 GB. I am going to be learning about editing video in the near future. I can't imagine what I will be at then.
Tabs tabs tabs tabs tabs tabs
some video half edited somewhere
some photoshop image half edited elsewhere
tabs tabs and more tabs
bunch of documents open
tabs tabs tabs
Then I open a game
8GB means I don't have to close anything
Disregarding all the people running a bunch of shit in the background, playing a fucking game (Battlefield 4) it will use 3-3.5GB or RAM. We're not in the stone age so stop starting shit threads.
never close anything.
Don't even have to turn off desktop.
>Hybrid sleep master race (pc takes snapshot of env and saves on to ram, then goes to sleep)
>wake pc up
o look im back to where i left off.
I hvae 16GB of RAM because I am a moron.
>be me, 18, building a PC
>get 8GB Kingston HyperX Blu
>Project finished, run game
>check all components, temps, the works
>check mem - 3.2 gigs available
>mess with settings for a while
>Order 8GB more ram
>install, still 3.2 available
>anon is confused
>check system again.
>O.S. is 32 bit.
>install 64bit O.S.
I'm a fucking moron
I bought 32gb of corsair dominator platinum, as expensive as a gtx 980, why? Because I love being in 99th percentile in every aspect of my computer except for my ssd drives, those are already too good to replace. Because I enjoy being the 1% superior, alpha, I enjoy your weakness and insecurities.
They're not as much heat sinks as kiddy handles so Corsair doesn't have to RMA 90% of it due to little shits that can't socket is properly.
I actually had 2x4 out of that shit, but only because it came with a cpu/mobo/ram deal. Ram was good, fucking brutal fit for my cooler though.
Future proofing. With next gen's photorealistic graphcis becoming the standard, any pc should have sufficient rampool so as to keep up with the demands.
4 times the console ram is the golden rule people should aim for.
Well, I've head firefox eat my 8G of ram a couple of times. I don't even think it was a bug, just two or three extremely large sites loaded...
Also, on programming mistakes I have had it happen once or twice.
And once on an intentionally complex c++ program I wrote (consisting for the most part of variadic templates), gcc filled 8G just compiling the sources...
>who does this benefit, actually no. lets take this a step further. who does even 8 gb benefit? no one, you just get it because it's the "standard" or the "consensus"
Programmers these days are lazy fucks that'll happily go "Let's make it in Java! What could possibly go wrong!" and the like.
>he doesn't have 12+ thread scheduling resources
>he can't listen to music/watch animu while testing code on multiple distros
>he only uses a computer for gaymes and shitposting
If you overclock you could see a hit to stability and thus achievable speed.
No, different DIMMs from different manufacturers do not always run the same even at the same Mhz. They all have different timings and capabilities, and I don't just mean the basic CL, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS (the 4 main advertised timings)
There's dozens of timing cycles in a ram module. You should prefer them to all be the same under all circumstances.
You can't just add cores up like that and expect performance to be any better.
But, like I said earlier in the thread, 50% of the x86 makers actually do increase IPC with every generation.
Actually a lot of people. 16gb is great for vm. 8gb helps as well. On Linux raw amounts of ram actually speeds up your os quite a bit. On Windows if you have too much ram that you inconsistently use, Windows will have a hard time allocating ram and end up using too much thus being pointless in the long run. Especially since the age of serious Linux gaming is starting.... Windows will be forgotten!
That's what you usually see if you open the task manager, even while it's in use.
I use the 16GB in my X220 for VMs mostly, it's something for the odd time when I need it.
In my desktop I hit 16GB every time I use UE3. If you do more with your computer than play video games and browse the internet you will learn that there are plenty of applications that progressed with hardware in the market.
>Only can afford 4GB RAM
>Doesn't even utilize that
>Thinks that anyone who can afford more or actually need more is wrong
>Thinks that having more RAM then you are using is bad for your computer
>Hasn't done a single thing in the real world with computers ever
>Thinks he has a valid point or should speak up even though it's clear he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.
I'm talking to your faggot ass OP but seriously, it could be any of you. The majority of this board hasn't done shit in the real world with computers and yet you think you've earned an opinion.
Uhh guys, what if I have 16gigs of ram and only 2gigs of nvidias....and an i7