Hey /g/, I need your help. I was caught torrenting copyright protected material by my school. They seem to know that I have installed utorrent, and they have a list of files that I torrented (those that violate the copyright shit). My school has a registered all the IP address (and possibly mac address) of all my devices that I have used to connect to the internet via university's network.
I'm asking if there is any way that I can torrent safely and at the same time not let them "backdoor" my PC to check my files.
You NEED a VPN. I dont know what /g/ consensus is on the best vpn service but I'm currently using Private Internet Access which is running fine. BUT it's a subscription paid service.
University sysadmin here. You seem to be misunderstanding some things.
Where I work (and at basically every other state university in the US due to various laws and standards) we don't inspect the content of any of your traffic, much less actively look for copyright infringement.
We get DMCA emails from rights-holders who have seen the IP you were using at the time in the swarm of a torrent of material they hold the rights to.
>They seem to know that I have installed utorrent
Many of these complaints include the torrent client you were using at the time.
>they have a list of files that I torrented (those that violate the copyright shit).
Just the ones we got complaints about.
>not let them "backdoor" my PC to check my files.
Are they actually proposing to do that?
Just use a VPN; you'll make life easier for yourself and your school's IT guys.
>PIA is a subscription paid service
I'm not sure what you meant by that line. Of course you have to pay for it, and it's not a subscription in the sense that it will automatically renew (unless you want it to).
However, if you want to anonymously pay for PIA, you can either send bitcoin or go buy a gift card from Walmart using cash and put the code into their paygarden form. It works rather well.
See if there's any way to connect to their wifi without tying it to your account.
My landlord sometimes sends out bullshit "stop pirating shit" emails to all tenants and calims they know who is doing it, but since everything gets NATed through one IP and there's no actual association of who's MAC address is whose, I know it's a complete bluff.
Much appreciated man, the DMCA shit really fucks me up last time. Will get VPN and btw which Uni are you working in (out of curiosity)?
Get a VPN outside of the USA or other allied countries.
So said VPN company won't get fined millions of dollars for not giving your information to authorities when they ask for it (no warrant needed).
look at the Lavabit issue
1. Use a VPN you trust
Using a VPN will encrypt your internet traffic to a certain extent and allow the /content/ of your packets to be completely hidden to those who wish to examine your traffic. Your school can still monitor your DNS if you are leaking DNS requests, but you can test this with simple tools when you have your VPN set up.
2. Install a peer managing software, like PeerBlock
Ensuring your not connecting to "dirty peers" is key to preventing getting caught. There are firms and actual corporations that seed their own copyrighted software to catch people downloading. Because your IP address is open when using torrents, these companies can find the source IP. You are more likely to be caught if you are connecting through an organization with a lot of money (companies aren't stupid; they send letters to small timers, but ruthlessly attack larger organizations to get money)
3. Make your downstream small, your upstream smaller
Downloading a file slowly will draw less attention to your connection. Depending on how equip your network is, a network admin worth any shit will know how to find the source of drag on a network. Keeping a low bandwidth profile will draw less attention to your connection under heavy load.
All of this will pretty much guarantee you a safe connection. Remember: these companies go against the easiest target. The trick isn't to make yourself impossible to detect; it's to make yourself harder to detect than your neighbor.
A West Coast large state university, don't really want to say more. And yeah, a decent VPN will solve basically all of your issues. That or only use private trackers.
Rights-holders (usually their hired agencies in reality) specifically target known university IPs because we actually have to take action. You're a lot more likely to get nailed on a university connection than a home connection.
>2. Install a peer managing software, like PeerBlock
>3. Make your downstream small, your upstream smaller
I hope this is pasta because it's wrong on a whole lot of levels.
>Your school can still monitor your DNS if you are leaking DNS requests, but you can test this with simple tools when you have your VPN set up
Also, use a router that has DNScrypt installed.
Not op, but at my school, they force everyone who wants to use campus internet to install a special program.
A) Ensures you have a "University Approved" virus suite installed.
B) Check if you have stuff like common torrent clients, and if so, block won't let you connect.
Fortunately, if on Linux and co(Not OSX), they don't give a fuck and just don't enforce any policies, so I've never really cared, but it sucks for everyone else.
We use 'SafeConnect and Icarus', so you can google it if you want.
I can't find confirmation of this at the moment, but I'm also pretty sure they do a form of packet inspection as well....
The school probably* isn't doing anything to monitor you. In my experience, they receive a copyright complaint from an IP enforcement company (eg: Rightscorp) and then scold you from violating their network access policy. The notices sent to the school usually contain information like the time, title of work, IP address, client name, etc. With the time and the IP address and decent institution should she able to check their logs and see who had that address at that time; which is how they know it was you.
The catch all solution is not to torrent at school. The next best thing would be to use a VPN, or torrent from somewhere else (home, some remote server you rent, etc) and manage it / pull down the data over SSH / SFTP.
* - I'm sure some schools are more nosy, but for the most part it isn't economical for them to do Rightcorp's job for them.
Hello fellow sysadmin.
What the fuck? Is this a private college?
>I'm also pretty sure they do a form of packet inspection as well....
To be fair, basically everywhere does some form of packet inspection. I do to implement prioritization (i.e. gaming/VoIP traffic gets high priority, Netflix gets low), but no data on the content of packets is retained. It's mostly protocol checking.
To be fair, I would assume most schools don't exactly appreciate people hoovering up their bandwidth, much less with something illegal.
>mfw a school (not mine) banned and blocked ALL p2p, not just illegal stuff
>wowfags and lolbabbies couldn't play their games because of p2p updaters
I think they had ways to disable the p2p aspect but most of them are probably too dumb
These days, p2p is a pretty small fraction of bandwidth consumption. Netflix is the biggest bandwidth hog by far, it usually sits at 70-80% of total bandwidth consumption on my network. p2p of all forms is <5%.
I would guess it depends on how many people live on/off campus too.
Napster was ancient shit. I remember first it was Napster, then Limewire, Kazaa was somewhere in there too. Then it transitioned to torrents.
>use limewire free to pirate limewire pro
Did they really expect pirates to pay for piracy software?
Kek, I was thinking it was UF from how you described it.
I'm not in a CS Programm, and I only know of one other person that uses linux. Thank god I can use the "Linux lets me torrent" excuse so people don't think I some crazy weirdo for not using Windows.
>tfw you torrent windows in a lab cause you were having issues with your VM
Holy shit, this is insane. The entire thing reeks of idiots who have no idea of how to manage their network and enact retarded shit to try to do their job for them. I'm actually a little upset.
At my workplace, one of our guiding principles is that we're basically the ISP for all these students. They expect internet service like they expect any other utility. In fact, in some surveys incoming freshmen have said that they'd rather go without hot water than without wifi. To that end, we run our operation as much like a commercial ISP as we can (sans corporate moneygrubbing bullshit) and not like some locked-down shithole where the user is treated like access is a privilege they're lucky to get, not a utility they're paying for.
Those numbers I quoted are for for residential network (i.e. dorms and university-owned apartments, not academic buildings). Dunno what the stats on the latter would look like.
The part that irks me the most is the constant false dichotomy that we either do this, or people can't do academic things because of like of bandwidth.
Like QoS isn't a thing.
Maybe me very glad I live of campus, and is one of the reasons I imagine dorms aren't popular here.
Other than the insane network staff, which I never interact with, it's quite a nice school I think.
Oh, it defintely is. I've had issues in the past on Windows machines where I would be unable to connect because my java was updated. They would let you connect to Oracles domain, but you wouldn't be able to download anything.
They also make you use a university vpn through cisco safeConnect to get access to software and services off campus. Everyone I know has been having issues in the last month or so and hasn't been able to connect properly.
I've also had issues where it detected out of date flash, wouldn't allow an internet connection, and eventually we realized it was chrome.
Upon uninstalling chrome, (Firefox user, so I innerly happy), my friend was able to connect.
>The part that irks me the most is the constant false dichotomy that we either do this, or people can't do academic things because of like of bandwidth.
Yep, they're retarded. You're right, QoS packet shaping maybe combined with volume-based shaping is more than enough to keep a network running smoothly, unless they're trying to run a few tens of thousands of people's worth of traffic through a tiny pipe, in which case they should just get off their asses and upgrade.
Yeah, It used to be were you could just uninstall flash, and I would let you connect no problem with Windows, but I don't think that works anymore.
I use OpenConnect since it integrates nicely with Windows. I'm suprised they give you guys access to Matlab, we have to buy the student version (or torrent). The student version is actually completely usesless though, because it doesnt come with simulink.
Ahaha, wow. That AUP sucks. I honestly wouldn't attend that school on those grounds alone.
>The usage of peer-to-peer software is strictly prohibited
>Please note that according to our Acceptable Use Policy, accessing and using a VPN client other than the UF Gatorlink VPN Client while on the UF Housing Network is prohibited
>must download and install the SafeConnect Policy Key software
>If the Policy Key software detects that that the computer is not in compliance ... computer will be isolated from the network
>*nix works anyway
>You are not permitted to network computers together ... creating LANs ... may not set up ad-hoc networks using wireless adapters or any type of network appliance.
>You may not connect to other Internet Service Providers using the DHNet connection as a means of accessing the Internet.
>Circumvent or bypass in any way the monitoring capability of DHNet staff to enforce this AUP
If I recall, you guys had alot of trouble playing Destiny at release because of these policies. Normally, I'd say the someone had a stick up their ass, but this really reeks of lazy + cheap management (and to a lesser extent sysadmins).
Pretty much this, or rather exactly this. Other sysadmin anon is consistently quicker to reply than me.
Well, living off campus I've never had to touch it, and it's not a deal breaker when just using it for campus wifi, especially since I've got a grandfathered in unlimited plan I can fall back to.
It really does piss me off though.
Yep, wow. These people are fucking nuts. I don't block anything but 25 but hey, everyone does that.
Yeah, I wonder how much of this shit is the result of some technoidiot high up in admin coming up with a bunch of retarded policies with some help from our friends at the RIAA and MPAA and then having nobody care enough/be competent enough to implement it in a functional way.
Yeah also hang up funny posters like this around Campus
As a non-It person, I find it quite humorous that they act so seriously and put up all of these barriers to entry, will being entirely incompetent.
All of my friends use browser based torrenting services which go through with no issues.
I guess I don't really care because it doesn't effect me at all.
I guess a guy went on quite a streak a while agoEvidence:
Work Title: James Deen Will Cuckold You Copyright Owner: E.A. Productions / Evil Angel Unauthorized File Name: James Deen Will Cuckold You
How many false DMCA notices do you get?
There was some stuff a few years ago about how abusable BT as a protocol is. You could send a different IP to some trackers, resulting in completely nonsensical DMCA notices (like network printers getting notices).
>How many false DMCA notices do you get?
Very few, as far as I know. When we get one, we go and look at DHCP leases, find the person and then their RA has a chat with them. They basically always fess up, so I can't think that many were in error.
There is a reason why I asked anon. I'm hardly an expert on this shit.
>2. Install a peer managing software, like PeerBlock
Placebo, every single DCMA complaint and subpoena is made from a home ip. Torrent traffic is monitored by third parties using domestic connections, so they're impossible to track. Peerblock is an effective waste of cycles. I can't believe retards are going back to recommending this stupid, pointless software in here.
As in Western?
If that's the case, the only thing that happens is they get told by their RA to knock it off and are banned from the network until they talk to their RA. It's nothing too terrifying.
Not only that, on my campus I can pull your MAC and hostname as well.
I have idiots all the time try to deny a first letter, then I send along the filename, IP, hostname and MAC and they buckle. I've never once had anyone try to contest a piracy case. Usually because they're downloading porn.
Usually gay porn.
They didnt "backdoor" your pc. When you torrent you publicly broadcast the list of files and hashes of the files you want to download.
>I'm asking if there is any way that I can torrent safely
There is no way to torrent safely. You can torrent relatively more safely with a vpn. All your shool will see is a shit ton of encrypted traffic going to a ip address associated with a vpn.
They don't record which IPs are connecting, and always ensure that multiple people are using the same public-facing IP. It's within their financial interest to maintain this policy. If you use it for, idk terrorism or some shit, yeah expect your door to get busted down but for torrenting copyrighted material? Not a chance you'll get caught.
Which, when they're tunneling via VPN gives you... what, exactly? All you'll see is a bunch of encrypted packets to one IP, you can't tell what their finial destination is. But oh no, the hacker at tech support knows my MAC address. You're an idiot.
Presumably, every MAC address needs to be registered (it will put you in a walled garden until you do).
What's the determining factor for "if on Linux and co"? User agent? Some TCP/IP fingerprint? Could someone just NAT themselves behind a Linux box (or VM for that matter)?
When you connect to a private network, they can make you do anything they want.
When you connect to a cable ISP, you have to tell them the MAC of the cable modem. It's not really any different than that.