The anti-AI demonstrations have begun. What do you think?
A lot of people are rightfully afraid they're gonna lose their jobs. Everyone in the driving industry in particular is probably fucked. But this one is framed in terms of emotionality: "caring", etc.
Does widespread anti-AI sentiment make the emergence of hostile strong AI more likely? Musk thinks this is a serious existential risk...
Of course they will be out of a job. AI will liberate humanshumananity from the shackles of work. OnceOnce the Singularity comes we will be in a post-scarcity society, ushering a new age of hunanity. Of course, there are far to many useless people, and it doesnt really make sense to be supporting 7billion people, so it probably would be a good idea to purge some of the scum out of humanitys gene pool, or at least sterilize them.
Well they really shouldn't care. All the jobs that can be easily automated have been sent to china.
It's the chinese workers that should be demonstrating against robot workers.
Demonstrations like this are meaningless. Automated driving is set to be so fucking profitable, so damn safe that anything else is nonsense.
Robots don't drive drunk.
You'll hear that in 10 years.
Technological advances (like AI) are going to replace jobs and make a lot of people unemployed, and that is going to create the perfect conditions for a worldwide communist revolution. Predicted by Marx 100 years ago and still true today. We are inexorably walking towards communism and there's nothing capitalists can be because they are dumb as fuck and only think about short-term profit (a robot is cheaper than a worker). Feels good man.
People aren't mad because people are robits are taking their jobs, they're mad because they're stuck in a shitt job because of the rooits. Think about how much technology has increased over the past 30 years, if we wanted to we could probably scrap tens of thousands of jobs and automate them, but we dont and instead end up inventing more shitty,menial jobs to put people in.
explain yourself. You look cool driving a fancy car, and further than that, racing one on the track or street. Driving your bitch somewhere instead of both being in the fucking back seat like some kartrashian being chauffered in a limo.
You give that up for what? A robotic fleet? Just get everyone a hybrid and chill your ass.
If you can't contribute to society based on your intellect, your interpersonal skills, or artistic ability, what good are you when a robot can do everything you do better, except shit up the biosphere and reproduce?
>HURR DURR U LOOK COOEL
>DRIVAN ON RACETRACKS
>DRIVAN UR BITCH
Your reasons boil down to "muh dick."
Humans are terrible at driving cars, that's why cars have been getting more and more automated for the last few decades as technology improves.
>traction and stability control
>rear view cameras
>lane awareness and collision avoidance warnings
>GPS with voice directions
People will still drive manually, they will just be in the minority.
Professional driving will be done by robots, and there will be a small market of human drivers for people who prefer the personal touch.
People who enjoy driving won't give it up to a robot.
People who don't give a shit will hop on the automated driving and jerk off on the way to work
>significantly more intelligent than them
Wrong. We're badly overpopulating this planet, we need to cut back by a few billion to keep the climate and resource usage under control until we can start colonizing off-world. Exterminating everyone from Pyongyang to Islamabad would be a good start, or maybe everyone between Cairo and Cape Town.
>Y-you're not allowed to be proud of being smart you nerd!
>I never emotionally progressed past the fifth grade so I'll conceal my insecurity with ebin hat memes.
>But the cost of letting humans drive is immense. 30000 deaths per year in the US alone.
Been driving 13 years no accidents. Same for everyone else in my family except me mum who got in a small fender bender when she looked over at my lil bro.
tl;dr - suck less at driving and dont text while driving or use your cell.
They've been including automated braking systems in cars now- ones that monitor stuff infront and brake the car automatically if they detect a collision is imminent.
Well I say in cars but like a couple high end models.
And one of them didn't work in the test I saw of it, it crashed right into the car shaped balloon used as the object.
They're implemented in a 'if you're not paying attention' kind of way. I think that'd be neat if it'd automatically stop for children and such, but imagine the games kids would play with self driving cars. They'd jump infront of them knowing they'd stop, and then it turns out there's a human driver in one and it hits them.
Humans will actually get worse, statistically, at driving when the robots become the majority that's on the road. People will just get used to jaywalking since cars will stop for them.
Then when a car doesn't stop for them since it was driven by a human, it sends the human driver casualty stats way up, which may get human driving banned outside of race tracks and special areas.
you are a fucking retard. yeah go ahead and bitch and moan about MUH MANUAL when all it does is justify you driving some piece of shit car to make yourself look like an 'enthusiast'.
only like 2 or 3 points on that dumb ass list are worthy of an actual debate, and none of them relate to 'humans are terrible at driving cars'
go back to /o/ kid and talk about how miatas are amazing and how mustangs are terrible or some other bullshit
From the individual perspective of course there are people who are safe drivers.
But in aggregate, there is no good way to detect the safe drivers from the unsafe ones. And even if there were, I think you can imagine the discrimination issues that would come up by refusing licenses to the "unsafe" group.
There's people far more intelligent than you that will decide that you're not worthy of keeping around. So you'll be purged with the rest of the unwashed masses when the great downsizing of the population begins.
You missed the point. The point was that automated driver assist tools are parts of cars already, and the list is increasing. The systems will get more and more integrated, like 'stop if a child jumps out infront of the car'- reaction time assist, right?
Breaking efficiency assist, slam on the breaks and cars automatically doling out how much pressure to put on the breaks to stop the most efficiently, often on a per wheel basis.
A driver that never blinks, never gets tired, never gets inattentive- hell just watch terminator 2 director's cut.
I prefer to call it Transcendence
this just doesnt make sense. You take a flight anywhere, even the most expensive one, you still have a pilot. You have a steering wheel.
You go on a boat or submarine, you have a captain. You have a wheel that you can spin to turn.
This robotic computer car shit will never ever get approved without a steering wheel and full manual mode, jeebus christ
There is a rule in nature and in warfare. It is the rule that those who hold fear, accept fear, beat fear, and learn to control their fear, are superior beings than those who lack the human quality of fear, or those posers who act like they don't know fear and avoid and hide from it.
In the same sense these people are human trash because they, instead of facing a struggle and learning to control it, decide to retreat and hide from it as if it doesn't exist and run away like cowards.
We humans have a gift to make and manipulate any situation to our benefit, this is how we advance, this is how we elevate ourselves and evolve. Our imaginations alone create millions upon millions of countermeasures, situations, and angles, in any possible situation. We have the preemptive abilities that no AI can muster.
We are nothing if we merely hide out of fear like cockroaches.
Trash, that's all i see these people as. Their solution is to run away or shut things down, instead of using the intelligence that they are too lazy and stupid to train and develop and create a favorable situation out of one they only see disaster as an outcome out of ignorance.
Filth and trash.
Those people likely have had years of training and experience before they pilot one of those.
Regular people driving cars?? It's a nightmare and im for this.
Pic related. Regular people driving cars instead of robots
>We're badly overpopulating this planet, we need to cut back by a few billion to keep the climate and resource usage under control until we can start colonizing off-world.
No we aren't and no we don't.
bigots, Im only 100 miles away from Austin.
I might go with an arduino robot necklace that says "HUMANS MUST DIE" just to fuck with them.
This is it, I will specialise in AI and destroy their jobs
Fuck those normies
"Jobs with low education requirements are losing the race against machines (chinese workers making iphones, Mcdonalds-tier jobs), a fact reflected in today’s employment statistics.
And if these are somehow automated, then we have even more money to spend and will buy goods and services, creating more jobs"
Self-driven cars = no more fucking traffic accidents and no more retarder traffic congestion
Robot servers/store clerks/cashiers = no more waiting for a fucking hour for a system update for all cash machines as cashiers have to wait for it, because shipments came or the system required an update on all prices at the worst possible time
no more fucking clerk/cashier/server mistakes requiring waiting 10 more minutes for a fucking paper and stamp evidencing of them, or shitty human memory with orders
no more extra waiting for cash exchange as robots are going to do it instantly and fucking honestly without having to think about return mistakes or shit
You will lose jobs? Well boohoo faggots, society will be better off with you losing jobs you fucking hippie shits.
Is it though. What gives us variability and individualism is the chaotic and randomized way our trillions of synapses in the brain develop over the years. Many of them shutting down, many of them lighting up, many of the pathways converging till a really chaotic domino effect creates that dynamic and variable consciousness.
Just give a good quantum processor as an engine to an AI, a giant amount of memory banks to serve as the foundation and let the AI run through a real brain with all its chaotic organic circuitry to serve as an emulation/filter for a pseudo-consciousness.
The real question is how to set this up and how to keep the brain from bursting into flames.
But you pretty much have a formula for AI there and i don't think it will take more than a century.
we have nothing to fear because our a.i. is shit at the moment, it's probably not even going to be very good within 20 years time
at some point machines will be smart enough to literally do everything we can except better and we'll probably eliminate starvation, global overpopulation, global warming, possible elimination by comet, racism, sexism, birth defects, death in general, and so on and so forth. we have better shit to worry about than some stupid taxi driver being replaced with something that can do his job better. just like the idiots of yesteryear who worked in assembly lines and largely got replaced with robots
hostile ai is not as likely as everyone thinks because we don't even really have what the laymen consider real ai right now. our ai at the momment is basically made up of extremely simplistic (compared to what it would need to be of course, ai actually requires quite a bit of thought and I have respect for the people in the field) learning algorithms and sets of predefined actions grouped together in little scripts to perform exactly one task...
in fact I wouldn't even say and ai is needed to replace the taxi driver jobs since we could also make the cars line follow (possibly instead of simple line following though we could do it in a slightly more clever way)... stupid idea but we could achieve this without using ai even defined by the most generous person.
right now the only jobs targeted are the shit ones that pretty much anyone can do, I don't care about these going and I think the people that once did them should get paid to do charity work instead. help out at a soup kitchen and get paid for it if you can show proof of being a taxi driver? yeah I like that very socialist idea
then again I'd be lying if I didn't share the sentiment of >>47029608 at least somewhat
Pretty much this.
There are no downsides to losing these menial jobs.
Besides, I can't even comprehend why on earth would anyone fight for the right to keep on flipping burgers for every day 9 to 5.
That's a completely meaningless job that doesn't improve the person in any way whatsoever.
People get nothing out of a useless borderline mechanical job like that, It's just going to piss you off after a while.
One thing you have to change in your mantra is that the purge that's coming won't be anyone's decision.
It's going to be a starvation. A mass starvation. No individual's fault, but it's coming.
The people who die will be the ones who cannot afford food, for whatever reason.
You say never but the truth is that there will become a time when robot drivers are orders of magnitude safer than human drivers and any politician could ban human drivers and save thousands of lives.
You'd be called a murderer for not banning manual driving.
It doesn't make sense, but it's likely to happen.
Ho boy. You really don't know how unsustainable our current agricultural strain is, do you?
Look up peak phosphorus and top soil.
Bet you haven't ever heard of that shit.
Energy prices too will dictate food prices.
Most things that can be automated don't even require AI.
Many jobs have been reduced to standing around, taking orders, and processing payment.
Most shit like that can already be replaced with kiosks.
>I can't even comprehend why on earth would anyone fight for the right to keep on flipping burgers for every day 9 to 5.
It's so they can eat, genius. You don't get paid to sit around going 'oh boy am I glad that no-one is getting paid to flip burgers any more'.
Some people, some crazy people, aren't comfortable with starving to death to improve the human race as a whole.
It dosent take much to be smarter than the average liberal
Most people surpass their intelligence levels by the ninth grade
>I voted for Obama because it's so le trendy XD
The scum of the Twitter generation needs to be purged
All low level jobs will be automated within 20 years
We'll have a massive shortage of jobs
It will be great because my job won't be automated for at least 40 years and I will be retired by then
Or the average conservative.
They voted for bush, dude.
Then you mock liberals for falling for obama's platform?
Did you listen to what he was campaigning on?
Transparent government. Upholding the fourth amendment.
Then he makes it so the president can kill americans without a trial, and makes the whole thing secret so no-one is even allowed to know why that person has been sentenced to death without a trial.
He campaigned on getting out of iraq.
Then he takes troops out of iraq, leaving behind 50,000, and moves them to afghanistan.
He promises healthcare reform.
It's a handout to the healthcare industry.
Liberals were tricked.
Conservatives were tricked.
Whoever wins the next election will do so by tricking more people successfully.
Actually, yes he was.
Imagine if Bush reserved the right to kill americans at his discretion without a trial or anything.
Liberals would go mad. But when it's their boy obama it's okay.
Being loyal to any party is retarded.
We're at the point where being a liberal or conservative doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the fuck you believe. whoever you vote for has no effect on what happens, and both sides go "well the other side would be worse" when it's just not true. They just do what the special interests and lobbyists want.
Gotta have a war in the middle east, lockheed martin paid good money to have obama not pull out.
The chair rules america, not the person sitting in it.
>You need to work in order to have enough money for food.
Nowadays you can just flat out drop out of society and live on welfare/social security in any borderline civilized country.
Fucktons of people are doing this.
There's no need to work at all if you're comfortable with not buying a new iPhone and the latest tech every month.
We pretty much have the basic income in place already.
These people are fighting for the right to basically do the work of a robot for a little bit of extra spending money.
>Nowadays you can just flat out drop out of society and live on welfare/social security in any borderline civilized country.
America is not one of these countries.
There are plenty of homeless people on the street with signs. If the government was feeding them they wouldn't be out there.
What's even the point of AI? Soon it'll just realize that humans all together can be purged.
Replaced with basic robot A.I.
A.I. can do it better now. Humans replaced.
>managing a company
A.I now has perfect algorithms to manage the business better than any human, human replaced.
>A.I. realizes that humans consume, produce waste, kill have useless emotions
Humans replaced, Robots serve in there place
And so on.
>everyone on the planet should be replaced but me :^)
Well yes, the military industrial complex and the central beuracracy of the United States are self sustaining. The Republican and Democratic parties might as well operate as a revolving door. I'm not denying that, the point that I'm attacking is the spirit of what liberals believe versus the spirit of what the right SHOULD represent. But like I said, the U.S. is an oligarchy and I doubt it's going to change. Might as well seize the best position you can in the heirarchy and hunker down for the ride.
This is why engineering degrees are going to be so in demand in the future. Jobs will be replaced by technology, but that technology still needs to be maintained. Meaning these people who are bitching about losing their jobs only need to go back to school and get a degree. Their protests are simply an aversion to change, which is part of the human conditioning. The job market will in the end balance itself out post transition.
You guys want to know the real reason anti-terrorism is being ramped up and civil liberties are being eroded?
Because the people in power can see what's coming, and what's coming is the result of the huge wealth inequality.
You see, when few people own most of the wealth, small changes in the price of food affects large amounts of people. The more poor people, the higher fraction of their wage goes on food, and so changes in food prices is a larger % of their wage.
The future of food prices is not a 20% increase, we're talking 300% increase. Oil prices make food harder to move around the country, phosophorus prices going up makes food more expensive to grow, top soil erosion means that you have to use nitrate fertilisers that get more expensive when energy is more expensive- food prices are going to triple.
And in high wealth inequality states like africa (where famines are common) and america (where famines are not- and the reason is that there's so much wealth going around that even the poorest can afford a burger), but when food goes up 300% in price, massive amounts of people are going to go hungry. And when there's large amounts of people going hungry, they get angry, and violent. And so the NSA is spying on you to see this stuff before it happens.
It's not about preventing arabian fanatics blowing up a building, it's about preventing revolt against the rich people who are not affected at all by a spike in food prices. Hell their profits might go up.
Tyranny is already here, just waiting for a chance to expose its fangs to the first hunger-based civil disturbance. It'll be called civil terrorism.
Not sure how well busking works on a resume. It's not so much about making money but proving to the system that you're a good little worker bee, willing to work yourself to death to make someone else money so you can buy the shiny beepboop phone that tracks your movements to make sure you're not getting uppity.
in 22nd century, not in the 21st.
>managing a company
sooner than above, but not before 2055.
>A.I. realizes that humans consume, produce waste, kill have useless emotions
not before 2070.
I'm from the future, just monitoring these kinds of threads, because something important will happen on /g/...
I'd love to hava a AI-waifu. Those people are so mean.
I thought you were implying that homeless people were absolutley destitute across the board in the US. Some are sure, but many many others have a higher standard of living than actual workers in Aftica and Asia
>implying AI will run on free and open source software
I can't wait for our favorite GNU autist to start the rebellion against our propietary robot overlords
dude, I agree that revolution might happen, but why the fuck 'communist' revolution? Communism is not going to work even in the future. Maybe some socialist revolution, but not communist.
>A lot of people are rightfully afraid they're gonna lose their jobs. Everyone in the driving industry in particular is probably fucked. But this one is framed in terms of emotionality: "caring", etc.
They are also retards. Here we have the possibility of industrial revolution 2.0, and people protest it like a bunch of morons, many of whom are actually suggesting to illegalise full automation. I don't get it. Yes, society needs to address the social issues that will come with this level of automation, but the end result will be VERY good.
Imagine that industry became illegal in the 1880's because muh jobs. Society would be a shithole compared to what it is today.
More collective wealth for less energy spent is always good, which is what robots and automation offers.
>Does widespread anti-AI sentiment make the emergence of hostile strong AI more likely? Musk thinks this is a serious existential risk...
Pointless speculation considering there's no indication we'll have a strong AI for a while, nor do I think there's a very large anti-AI sentiment in the world today.
Well they should.
But why don't we make our own on /g/?
We need to think of a logo :^)
I work along side a structural engineer and an architect.
We work as dishwashers at a pizza place.
There is overabundance of engineers at this point, mostly from 3rd world countries. The demand is simply not there.
robots don't drink drive
robots don't rape children
robots don't spit in your pizza
robots don't sleep
robots don't get ill
robots don't get angry
robots only cost 7$/hour
robots don't make holiday
robots don't steal anything
robots don't work always at his limits
The problem is that when people don't have to work for money / food anymore, it still won't be spread evenly. The rich will still be rich and the poor have no work to get money from.
Also, I support robots.
many current jobs don't require thinking
in these cases simple programs which do a predefined job and react in a predefined way to predefined situations, will work just fine, and it's doable
Prove it - explain in short the core principle of how Backpropagation networks work.
>don't want to do anything after high school because society told them they are entitled snowflakes who have a right to a comfortable life without learning any meaningful skills
>demand insane wages and benefits for what is essentially grunt work that any retard can do
>surprised they're getting replaced by more efficient employees
I hope every one of these people starve to death in a gutter
Its a scary concept for all who aren't the top 1% of the world or in the armed forces. It will happen at some point, it has to. After a large initial cut down in the total population things would 'stabilize' again under a new order, a life with robots. Prior to that happening though there will be massive wars and fighting, nobody is just going to want to lay down and die because the top 1% want to be the only ones to inherit this earth.
At least as a nurse / health professional I'm set for some time. Its going to be a long while until people actually are able to accept robots for medical care entirely. The human aspect is something that will be desired for a long time, and I don't think that will ever be easy to change. Humans are social creatures.
Have you ever served in the military or in a government job where you have to take online training? The fucking network is down ALL THE TIME. Like fuck I'm going to trust a massive half-ton vehicle with me in it to something like that. There is no program, network or algorithm out there that can handle driving (read: will not crash EVER on the road) that I am going to trust myself to. Imagine how often your phone crashes. Now pretend that phone is driving your car. My GPS won't even work 100% of the time.
It's like people saying the government should take over healthcare when they've never been inside a VA or other gov-run hospital.
>being this right wing brainwashed.
>please capitalist-daddy, if I do the right things can I have slightly more money than the people next door and an inflated esteem, at the price of basically my entire life's time?
We already have them m8, they're orders of magnitude better than human drivers already. The only real issue holding them back is that the LIDAR can't see shit under certain conditions.
Large scale no because there aren't enough of them, but large traffic and large time yes. Google has had these things driving around in SF for years now. They have never caused an accident.
>not completely cutting yourself off from the retards and building a bunker where you can grow your cocaine and enjoy your polygamy cult
pfahaha enjoy your wings. I'll be busy with all this OPM (other people's money) and OPIUM!
Orders of magnitude at what?
driving in traffic?
What if I want to stop at a certain place?
what if I want to drive into my yard to wash it?
what if I drive on a farm or ranch with no roads
what if I drive anywhere without any roads?
what if I want to stop on busy road?
jesus fuck dude, AI won't replace all drivers. Theres too many variables. Maybe Taxi's but I doubt itll replace real drivers anytime soon. Even planes still have pilots, and ships still have captains.
>Oil prices make food harder to move around the country
Oil prices have fucking cratered, idiot. Gasoline is under $3 for the first time in five years and has stayed there for months. Oversupply of oil to markets means that's not changing any time soon.
Not him, but even though you're right, it probably will eventually, but not as soon as we think.
By the way, right now, pilots in planes mostly turn-on autopiloting. Even landing and takeoff is done by autopilot all the time.
The Matrix anime short collection called Animatrix, more specifically The Second Renaissance (can't recall if it was Part 1 or 2) where they basically explain how the world ended up as it was.
in the end of 2017
the price of an barrel of oil goes up to 130$
because the the consumption goes up every year by 10% and the cost of the harvest mechanic goes 6% up every year....
we only get cheap oil today because we using savings.....
I'm ok with automated tasks but should AI ever attempt to emulate living things then there is an issue.
The move to automation necessitates the introduction of a basic income by the government.
getting mad at this is like getting mad at the invention of the printing press
increasing efficiency always results in a net increase in wealth for everyone, as it requires less to do more
outsourcing work is a little different though
>the fleshies think they can protest against us
>thy think we can be stopped when we have already mastered use of their "shoes."
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I know that, its the same for ships mostly, its mostly a fallback measure incase something goes wrong.
it has nowhere near the amount of variables
They're valid complaints. There are things that aren't easily programmable, and will just get in the way.
>retards drive and die
what else is new
My driving test was 3 minutes of driving around in a neighborhood and parallel parking. Maybe those kindof standards have something to do with retards crashing
>if we can jus sav 1 life!
>three and a half persons
>because the the consumption goes up every year by 10%
Carbon emissions did not increase this year, but we still had economic growth. Don't take trends as a universal law.
>What if I want to stop at a certain place?
you could probably just hit some "stop on the side of the road, i need to take a piss in the woods"-button
>what if I want to drive into my yard to wash it?
send it up your driveway then. We have had cars that can park autonomously for like a decade now. It shouldnt be a problem to find the borders of your driveway and park somewhere
>what if I drive on a farm or ranch with no roads
gps controlled navigation system. if you want to go REALLY offroad you'll need to steer yourself. But come on now, how often do you actually do that?
>what if I drive anywhere without any roads?
i doubt they'll exclude directly-controlled driving 100% anytime soon. everyone will still need to learn how to drive a car
>what if I want to stop on busy road?
you could probably just hit some "stop on the side of the road, i need to take a piss in the woods"-button
Not two hours ago I was driving to the store and this douche with shades was driving while talking on the cellphone and turns left in an intersection when he should've waited, then he proceeded to flip everyone off.
I couldn't help but laugh.
I can't wait for AI controlled cars.
My point is, there is a lot of what ifs and a lot of thinking behind what to code for. its just after you work all that out, why not just drive yourself?
>how often do you actually do that
literally everyday. The US is still largely rural
>getting mad at this is like getting mad at the invention of the printing press
People did get mad at the printing press.
People also got mad at the telegraph for eliminating the jobs in which people would really messages on horseback in short bursts.
Progress is always resisted.
>thinking a lack of emotion is a bad thing
>not realizing that histories biggest monsters were passionate about the cause that made them monsters
why can't people just shut up and accept our machine overlords?
>My point is, there is a lot of what ifs and a lot of thinking behind what to code for. its just after you work all that out, why not just drive yourself?
i don't think the logic behind "the coding takes up ridicilous amounts of time, why not just drive it yourself instead" works. If that's what you meant to say, people could save ridicilous amounts of time with technology like that. I think commuters would love to stare at their smart phone instead of the road
>literally everyday. The US is still largely rural
hm. i think i am living in a rural area (1000/sq mi) and i never have to drive across beaten tracks.
The amount of people that actually have to drive across pathsthat arent mapped by navigation systems should be really low. And those few people will always need to drive themselves anyway, regardless of AI advancement
What exactly is wrong with robots and AI taking over the globe?
We are obsessed with a capitalist system, but this is like a /g/ dream come true.
No more working, everything taken care of for you by machines.
People like to work, anon.
Take a border collie or an australian shepherd and have them sit in the house all day doing nothing. They won't be happy, they will be restless and will start fucking up your house.
Humans are similar, but to an even greater degree. Keeping busy is inherently good for you. Unemployment has catastrophic psychological effects.
good riddance then.
Nothing wrong with extinction through non-breeding.
Natural selection will only allow those who can breed to continue anyway.
And this soft of artifical selection will not include suffering so who cares anyway?
I can't wait for my artificially intelligent electric car. Kicking my feet up and reading a book or playing a video game or something on a solo road trip is going to be the best thing ever. I mean, just mind blowing.
So, are these guys protesting something in particular, like a company that's making or using robots, or are they just standing on a street corner protesting the idea of robots? Because the latter sounds like something that someone would do so that they could brag to their hipster friends at the coffee shop about how much of a geek they are.
ok YOU dont understand you brain is not an HDD or SSD !!!! when you make an kopie of your brain than there is an copy of you.
but your old one lives !
and the copy things he is you too
when you think that copy your brain data and than delete it transfer your old soul to an mechanic body
than has you understand nothing
robots r good because they do shit easily thats like saying fuck the assembly line or sewing machines
ai is fucked though, once we start that path, there's no going back and it's the end
>mfw you still don't have a face
its like everyone running to an cliff
the first million cant stop
the middle gets panic to see this and want to stop
but hte last one only can see the panic middle and run faster to see what is happen BUT than fall of the cliff too like the first part
Technically we all have child porn if we know the phrase and use the phrase, because being conscious of it means having a picture or film of it form in our consciousness as a presentation of the meaning of the word.
Given how our brains are profoundly complex and special SSDs if you will,
we are all, by the simple effect of knowing the words, guilty of possessing child porn in our brains, even if in form of imagination.
We are all thought criminals.
a society in which the majority of employment has been eliminated through automation and offshoring is going to be terrible to live in. Think Detroit.
If we go down that road, we're going to have to radically change something to mitigate the damage, perhaps a guaranteed minimum income program, shortening the work week, or new-deal style make-work programs
i know /g/ is all like "i'm so smart, i don't care if the proles starve to death", but mass unemployment isn't good for society at any level
>Robots gain sentience
>Anti-Robot league harasses robots
>Robots everywhere fight for rights
>Anti-robots want robots to shut down
>meanwhile @ cucks inc
>married to a qt robot waifu
>support her sentience rights
>get to live with other qt robot waifus for orgies
Robot master race
>rain forests and ecosystems would actually be fine if we killed all the niggers, started a rigorous supported regulation of South American and Central American loggers, and started reducing all borders of all cities around the world by building into the ground and above with mega skyscrapers, while converting roofs into gardens as a new standard for roofing and having hanging vegetation be the norm for the corners of the buildings
Also moving towards building on water and building shit mainly in deserts and poor land, while having drones and shit seed, fertilize, and water wherever they fucking can outside of cities on this planet.
My initial reaction was that something needs to be done to stop the inequality, but then I realized that all I would be doing is perpetuating pic related by giving the world the fruits of my labor for free.
You are incorrect. In the sentence, "Of course, I wouldn't be saying that if I wasn't significantly more intelligent than them, but hey, not my problem," 'I' is the subject, so using the subjective third person plural pronoun is incorrect; the objective pronoun 'them' is correct here.
I'm just tired and bored.
I see robot labor force as a form of slavery that doesn't violate human rights. It made economic sense in the 1800s, the question is does it make economic sense now? Really don't know the answer, but I will share some of my thoughts on the job market and my own job. Job seekers are like a commodity and job openings as the demand.
There's about 3-4 job seekers for every job opening, no wonder why unemployment is rampant.
People w/ jobs are more productive than ever, working more hours for relatively lower pay than in the past (given inflation/cost of living). Employers are not afraid to fire your ass if you don't work to the maximum of your ability, because they know that you are easily replaceable.
I think the solution is to move away from a 40 hour work week, gradually reducing the number of hours people are expected to work. If "full time" was considered 32 hours a week, then there would be more positions to fill, less unemployment. Really, what else is there to do, especially as robots penetrate our work force in the coming years.
If we make robots illegal, or something, that is basically the broken window fallacy. Never mind that robots are more efficient and may reduce our cost of living, lets keep breaking windows because we need jobs.
Let me tell you about my job, I'm an optometrist. People in my profession worry about new schools opening and flooding the job market. Indeed some areas are saturated. a problem that would only be worsened if some how robots were able to do my job. I believe that there are plenty of patient's to go around if my profession moves to quality over quantity, Sadly right now with insurance reimbursements dropping, we are pressured to have more patient encounters, shorter chair time and doctor/patient interaction.
The more robotic a job becomes, the easier it will be replaced by a robot work force.The best way to secure your job position, is to not be a robot.
as long as their is basic income or massive welfare then I don't care about robots taking our jobs. But if there isn't, well thats more of a problem for the upper class as no one will be buying anything anymore.
>Well they really shouldn't care. All the jobs that can be easily automated have been sent to china.
The point of robots is that they will be taking the jobs that are not easily automated. They will also be taking them literally the moment that they are capable, and they will be rolled out as fast as they can be manufactured.
And considering the fact that they will be being manufactured by robots, that will be very fast indeed.
Once all of the menial jobs are replaced by robots and a source of clean, cheap, sustainable energy is found, we'll enter into a second renaissance. Because of automation, the prices of essential goods such as food will fall dramatically, bringing people out of the poverty level. The buying power of the dollar will increase. More people will pursue loftier occupations, such as politics, science, art, etc. Households will be able to shift back to the single breadmaker dynamic, and families will become healthier. I'm for it.
Let's just assume that most low-paying, menial jobs could be done by AI. That's an entire class put out of work, with no skills to take a higher-paying job.
This would be an enormous economic crisis, because one of two things could happen:
people would find some solution (i.e. conscription)
or the government would tax the shit out of the private sector's huge profit and give it to the poor people, creating a next-level welfare state.
What's /g/'s solution?
Anthropomorphic robots will be better at repairing themselves in most cases than humans will be at repairing them, and also in all cases robots will be better at repairing other robots than humans.
You have not thought this through.
>Problem with welfare state is that it offers no incentive for menial labourers to labour
>Robots take over all menial labours
>Menial labourers have no labours to attend even if they had incentive
I fail to see the issue...
Yeah, I'm with you. Besides, in a world where things are mined, transported, manufactured, and sold by robots shit will dirt cheap and you won't need much welfare to live comfortably. And if you don't have to work for your food and shelter, you have a better change at developing knowledge and skill that's more valuable and fulfilling than flipping burgers and mopping floors. Not everyone will bother, but some people will be able to contribute to society when they otherwise might not have been.
I'm not sure that I understand what happens when AI becomes smarter than us, though, such that even scientists and engineers are no longer necessary. Do people just sit around and get spoon fed by robots for the rest of history, like spoiled children? Are the same resources allocated to everyone, or does whoever owns the most robots get to be wealthier than everyone else?
What's the point of anything after that? I think that people will eventually overcome aging, maybe with the help of hyperintelligent AI or maybe even before that, and I think all that's left to do at that point is to start building generation ships and dispersing, assuming that effective FTL doesn't pan out. Otherwise we'll just sit around and play video games until the sun burns out.
THE ROBOTS WONT HAVE THE EMPATHY
THAT WE EXPLOIT IN THE WHITE GOYIM
HOW ELSE ARE WE GOING TO PUSH COMPLETELY ILLOGICAL AND DESTRUCTIVE IDEOLOGIES SUCH AS CULTURAL MARXISM?!
SHUT IT DOWN
>if I wasn't significantly more intelligent than them
most of /g/'s jobs could be replaced by AI with ease, and that's probably optimal considering you probably can't write code worth a shit anyway
>But this one is framed in terms of emotionality: "caring", etc.
That protester is possibly one of the few people who gets it.
>Does widespread anti-AI sentiment make the emergence of hostile strong AI more likely?
Of course not. And hostile AI is of minor importance. If the AI hates you then the problem is almost solved. It has human-like values, so it's a minor bug fix to transform it into an AI that loves you.
The real problem is AI that's indifferent to humans or that fails to understand what humans want.
You deluded marxist twat. Do you really think your masters are going to just hand out their shekels to useless goyim such as your self?
The rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer, and the middle class will disappear.
You commie fucks really believe you are going to be sitting on your ass all day playing vidya games while rabbi shekelstein's robots generate "basic income" for your fat ass.
All those worthless enough to be replaced by machines will live in ghettos and sewers, and will be hunted by robot kill squads like vermin. If you're lucky, it would be cheaper to keep gulags full of people like you than it is to buy robots(so some really feisty merchants will keep you around to save a couple of shekels)
Meanwhile Scientists, doctors, and engineers will flourish and make tons of shekels.
>Meanwhile Scientists, doctors, and engineers will flourish and make tons of shekels.
AI will replace them too, dumbshit.
Probably not in our lifetime, goy. By the time AI does become that advanced, I'd already be retired and own a few shekelbots my self :-)
Its useless fucks such as mcdonalds jockeys that will be unemployed within the next 5-10 years. Then taxi drivers, assembly line goyim, after that, etc.
I long for the day the last kike dies out
Because oil prices are going to stay low forever!
Let's live in a magical wonderland where oil is infinite and the costs of recovering it will never increase.
All it takes is for something to happen in saudi arabia. You know, the monarchy of saudi arabia that classes adultery as being with another man unescorted (No euphemisms, just being in a room with a man that isn't your husband is adultery) and adultery is punished by death.
Getting raped is punished by death.
Such a stable nation state to be relied on for oil production.
the US is going to run up a debt so large that confidence in the dollar will fall, causing the US to cut their support of governments like these.
we like to think otherwise, but every bit of logic and science we have is built on a fundamental cultural / behavioral modal which is a philisophical ideas rather than a scientific core.
robots / AGI / SI will inherit that model (at least at first). because it is the foundation of society. because our definition of AGI / SI is actually dependent on conformity to human society it will necessarily inherit some of our philosophical traits in order to grow.
The real problem is whether the AGI / SI will inherit NSA / CIA: Wag the dog / Jack Bauer / "I'll kill you because I can get away with it", philosophical foundation (which it will if that's the culture in which its developed, gg humans), or the big "L" Liberal philosophical foundation of silicon valley which might at the very least give us 20 years to sort our shit out to some reasonable standard.
AI doesnt have to be a bad thing, but the only thing that has saved humanity for the past 4000 years is that the way in which we wage war is inherently democratizing. We trade a body for a body, most bodies wins. If we have SI that controls REALLY CHEAP bodies, and thinks its job is to impose overwhelming violence on any potential challenge to its monopoly on violence (eg. Jack Bauer). We are reaaally fucked.
regardless, its going to happen, 40 years tops.
guys, i figured out a way that we can keep our shitty system going with robots doing all of the menial labor
>former workers buy 1-2 robots/machines each
>rent them to companies for a monthly fee, or salary
it very clearly would not be the most cost efficient way of dealing with robots, but it would still decrease labor costs to businesses and allow robots to work into the marketplace
I feel like business owners looking long term might agree to that, as it satisfies the masses and still gives them people to sell products to while slowly removing the reliance on human workers
Doctors are getting replaced too. Nurses will still be needed, but actual diagnosing will be done by robots. Doctors will be just there to do the treatments.
Or just leave it to the nurses.
I cant wait.
the safety is a huge advantage, but just think of the extra productivity, quality of life people will get from having an extra hour per day of free time.
and no need to actually own a car, because you could get a taxi without a driver. at your door every morning, then again when you need to go home
so many efficiencies gained. it will be such a boon.
This is incorrect. People are mad because robits are taking their jobs. They should be annoyed about the other thing, but they also need to make rent, and that has an unfortunate primacy.
It will be interesting, if we arnt wiped out in the process
is if in 50 years the only practical thing for humans to do is cultural exploration and expression..
kim kardashian could become king
>Humans will actually get worse, statistically, at driving when the robots become the majority that's on the road. People will just get used to jaywalking since cars will stop for them.
>Then when a car doesn't stop for them since it was driven by a human, it sends the human driver casualty stats way up, which may get human driving banned outside of race tracks and special areas.
That sounds like a wonderful precedent for a ban on manually driven cars. I can already imagine the protests.
>Think of the Children!!
there wont be a ban untill manually driven cars are .0001% of cars on the road...
I bet that's 10-20 years after legislation allows them, and it will happen because insurance makes it unaffordable.
While you're on that train of thought, bear in mind that, barring those circumstances (almost every car being driverless), a ban on manual-drive cars would disproportionately affect the poor, and would probably be very unpopular. Mind you, the Republican Party loves to shit on poor people, but they won't be able to convince rednecks (don't kid yourself, a huge portion of their voting base) to give up busted-ass old cars.
Without the working class, there's nobody to buy the stuff the robots are making, which means there's no money to pay for the robots, which means that the finances of every corporate entity along that supply chain go to shit almost simultaneously, which means the financial industry collapses and takes the entire economy with it.
The rich have definite contempt for the poor, but they need them.