>>47033257 i hate mac keyboards. I know it's matter of getting used to it, but i hate everything in those keyboards, from click and height to fn key in ctrl place - i would rather die in a fire than write a lot of text on it.
>>47033488 >When literally everything out on the market out performs it >For 500 dollars less Such as? Because I want to buy them if they have the same long battery life like macs and really are better in every way.
>>47033523 But how is .3 mm going to make a difference there? Both of them are so small they're going to "not feel like I'm carrying around a computer", so I don't understand why I would want to buy it just because it's a little bit thinner.
>>47033565 You probably wouldn't. His point was just that mac acts like they're the only ones that can make a thin laptop. At that point you'd care more about weight, battery life, build quality / feel.
>>47033711 >$850 >no fans >core M >shift wifi >246GB what the fuck >all-aluminum No, seriously, why. You might as well buy a second-hand mac and wipe the hard drive and install your favorite distro on it. If you don't want a mac, why would you spend money on something that has all the same design flaws?
I heard on Friday that the company I work for will standardize on them as the laptop for almost everyone. You will still have an option of getting rMBP, however, if you need it. But most will go with this new MBA.
>>47033872 >>47033895 >MBA Do you mean the new macbook air or this new 12" macbook? The one in OP is not the air. Apple is just calling it the "Macbook." 12 inch, retina displace, M, USB-C, etc It is a different series from the updated Air.
>>47033427 I've never used a Mac, but I honestly think getting rid of the ports and consolidating all of them into one multi-use port was a solid design decision. I know I'll catch shit for it though, and I know people like to take any opportunity to shit on Apple.
When you're at home or work, you should be doing your work on your desktop while your laptop is plugged in and charging. When you're out, you've got 10 hours of battery life or so and can use the port to plug in your USB drives or phone. Your laptop shouldn't attempt to replace your desktop at home, it should be something you use while you're out, and focused on portability and battery life.
>>47034085 Passmark is utterly meaningless across generations and desktop/mobile. My 3900 passmark Gen 2 i3-2100 dual core shits all over my laptop 8000 passmark i7-4700MQ quad core while plugged in and on performance mode.
>>47033257 I'm actually pretty curious how the keyboard feels.
>>47034326 >It's just it's even more overpriced than how overpriced Apple shit usually is. It's always like that with the new form factors. They get the people who need the newest thing no matter what and pay off the production lines, then things become cheaper.
The macbook is going to replace the air in a a couple years, mark my words.
>>47035949 >13-inch rMBP I might have to. That's what I use for work and I love it, but it's the $3600 version. I could get a decent refurbished rMBP for $1000, I was just hoping I could go a lot lighter in weight.
>>47036395 well, it probably need to feel good and be easy on the eyes. Handle tons of tabs in your favorite ide (I love IntelliJ.) Compile quickly. Play the music/ebooks/radio you listen to while coding handle IMers while you code and not suffer from toasts popping up over your ide. Handle tons of tabs for stackexchanges plus youtube for whatever you're researching. all simultaneously while feeling smooth and fantastic. Maybe enough room to neflix on half the screen when you're cranking through boilerplate code and need a distraction.
so yeah, a tiny text-editor-only laptop isn't going to do it.
>>47036609 >IDE Plebian >compile quickly This is what workstations and servers are for >play media while editing text I'd hope whatever laptop you select can do this >handle IMs Again, I'd hope it could >tons of tabs Not a tough requirement at all
If you need a programming machine and not a compiling machine, you could probably get away with a Chromebook. ChromeOS has online IDE options on top of a terminal for SSH and maybe X11 forwarding for graphical IDEs, or you could just install Linux on it.
>>47036664 > >IDE >Plebian Enjoy searching for all the uses of a function in that 6mill line project of code you've never seen before. While you're grepping and juggling to sort everything out, I'm just going to click "find all uses" and step through them.
Here's the deal with school and computers: Whatever you're thinking of buying, it's more than enough.
Let's not kid ourselves here. You fuckers are wanting to buy >$1000 machines because you: A) Want something cool B) Want to look cool C) Want to game You can whine and complain about <insert bullshit here> that takes 23509283525 GHz at minimum to run that is soooo absolutely required for you to merely pass the class. As stated, it's bullshit.
Especially coding. You can code on a netbook. Shit, I've SSH'd my desktop from my phone and done some coding work at school, and this was during the Galaxy S1/iPhone 4 days, when screens were tiny.
Your $1300 toy isn't going to make you a better programmer than an Indian H1B with a $200 netbook.
Even if you're an engineer running SolidWorks or Pro/Engineer Wildfire or Matlab or MultiSim and you're on campus, the campus workstations are going to be faster, and if you're not on campus, you're not getting any work done unless you're at home with your desktop anyway. I know, I'm an engineer, I was an undergrad once too.
Buy it because you want it. It's okay to want nice things. Don't ask retards on /g/ to justify it for you.
>>47033257 I honest to god think apple was testing the waters or trolling the market. what was the lowest performance wise we could get away with the highest price we could get away with?
There's no way to say this with out stereotyping, but this was for daddy's girl whose going to college. She will be blown away by the crisp high resolution screen and upgraded track pad, nothing else will be of concern to her, she never used USB ports on laptops any ways, because you can't download a thumbed up comment to a flash drive.
If you plan on using this for some basic programming, ATLEAST get the macbook air 13 inch that thing comes with an i5 and a much higher thermal threshold.
Personally, the lenovo y50 with an non gimped i7, blows all these away for a cheaper price (except for the screen and hard drive which both are extremely easy to upgrade which actually took less then 30 minutes for both upgrades.),
>I want to code on a twelve inch screen where I can only view a paragraph at a time >I want to compile on an Intel M with 8 gigs of ram My pants are wet for this device but even I think you're crazy OP
>>47033952 There's a point where form is emphasized over function.
Apple is notorious for doing this shit: See the iPhone 6.
Making things so incredibly thin for aesthetic value is stupid when increasing thickness to the point of acceptable portability would give you MORE BATTERY LIFE on top of extra functionality.
Take a look at the thinkpad X series (specifically 210, 220, and 230) they are very small laptops, one would have to be pretty dense to say that they aren't portable. Yet they still manage to have functionality up the ass due to ports and great battery life because they can accommodate large batteries.
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