If you aren't watching child pornography then why do you care so much about privacy? So Google knows what you search, big deal, billions of people are probably searching the same thing and Google has more things to spend time on than that neckbeard searching for dragon dildos. Only time someone would personally take interest is if you're doing something illegal.
>muh daily NSA thread
The average person commits 3 felonies per day.
Also, if you think government employees are above abusing their power for political and personal reasons, Google Lois Lerner.
You're fucking welcome.
>google cares about your fat ass enough to stalk you
If the government wants to search your shower thy can get a warrant to do so
>Implying there is any freedom in America
Google collects your data for advertisement purposes. This has been a known fact for as long as Google has been operating. And every single other free search engine does the exact same fucking thing because they gotta make money somehow; and if you're not the one paying then you're not the customer, you're the product.
Death by terrorism's red bar would be maybe 1 pixel.
This. if you are running a library you're gonna be monitoring what books are taken out to prevent terrorism. Ahmed taking out a lot of chemistry and electronics books? Report to the police. Google works in the same way, Nobody cares about your data because there is far too much to care about unless you are up to no good.
If it's to the point where you're actually afraid that someone at Google might have it out for you to the point where they'd be willing to fake evidence to fuck your shit, you definitely have schizophrenia.
If you aren't a capitalist then why do you care so much about Stasi? So Stasi knows what you write, big deal, millions of people are probably writing the same thing and Stasi has more things to spend time on than that neckbeard writing for West Germany. Only time someone would personally take interest is if you're doing something illegal.
Easy, I wouldn't want to know that you like to touch yourself while watching thinkpad threads on 4chan. What if without your permission CIA, NSA or KGB, whatever intelligence agency name, come up to your door puts some cameras, mics, tamper your phone and your internet connection and all those sick acts that you consider normal are being put in a giant database, so everyone in the agency can see you, maybe laugh or share with other people. Worst, what if one of those agency's employee is your neighbor and looks at you in disgusting ways, letting the entire population know about you. Would you like it?
It's not Google that worries me, it's the fact that the state has such free access to all the information.
Google can take my search history and other shit, they provide me with a pretty good product in exchange for it. It adds a lot of value to my life.
I don't think the same privilege should extend to the state. We limit the power of the government because the citizen has rights too. The government is not our father or our schoolmaster, we are ultimately the ones in charge of it - by removing a citizen's right to privacy, we are handing the state a huge amount of power over us.
The fact that these data collection programs operate with basically no oversight and were implemented with zero public consultation and debate should concern you. We're supposed to be a democracy. If we had a full, public debate about the merits of these programs and then decided to implement them, it'd be different, i'd soften my stance on the issue. However, that didn't happen. These programs were implemented without any consultation or mass public approval, and would have remained hidden from us if not for Snowden. That's not acceptable.
>why do you care so much about privacy?
Privacy is a fundamental human right recognized in the UN Declaration of Human Rights, the International Convenant on Civil and Political Rights and in many other international and regional treaties. Privacy underpins human dignity and other key values such as freedom of association and freedom of speech. It has become one of the most important human rights issues of the modern age.
Now please go back to leddit.
We are talking about the west here where no-one will v& you for saying "Obama sucks". If you're in Stasi controlled lands then yes be paranoid because they will get you for trivial things, but in the USA you have nothing to worry about unless you're watching CP or corresponding with Al-Qaeda.
>"The government should have to power to execute us if we step out of line!"
>"The government is not our father, it should stop collecting our data and stay out of our lives!"
Right wing logic.
So you're saying we should basically abandon our traditions (the 4th Amendment) and our idea of limited government and hand over all this power to the state "to keep us safe?"
We aren't immune to Witch hunts either. What about the red scare(s)? The McCarthy era? J. Edgar Hoover?
All of these things happened. They can happen again, and i'd rather not help them do their job easier if it does.
>no-one will v& you for saying "Obama sucks"
but they can v8 you for activities that seem suspicious to them
>be generic anon
>have nudes of girlfriend and OP's mom on encrypted drive
>don't want to show them to the police
>go to prison
>lose anal virginity
The problem is that advertising agencies overstep their bounds in getting a hold of your personal information, just so they can spam the shit out of you. Yes, there are people willing to employ themselves with these agencies and waste all their time and energy going around trying to farm as much personal info as they can. They're scum of the earth bottom feeders who don't give a shit who gets exploited.
It's very easy to leave a trail of bread crumbs wherever you go, which can eventually lead agencies back to your personally identifiable information or contact info, such as email, home phone or home address. Once they connect the dots, they'll never stop hounding you.
Furthermore, not all of these agencies operate under legal terms, and there's no guarantee that those that do operate legally don't shady things, like indiscriminately selling your info to less reputable organizations, like overseas scam operations. How many random texts do you get to your cell claiming you've won a trip to the Caribbean or some shit? How do you think they got a hold of your number in the first place?
>implying the government gives a shit about your fat ass jerking off to your mom's picture
Stop using their services then. Problem solved.
I don't give a shit about Google knowing my privacy, not some neckbeard of an anime loving board
>If you don't try to incite revolution, why do you care so much about freedom of speech? So you're not allowed to criticize the government, big deal, nobody cares about what you have to say anyway. The government has better things to do than throw losers like you in prison for making crude jokes on the Internet.
>I personally don't feel like I need my freedom of speech, so obviously anybody that does is wrong. Clearly if it doesn't affect me in my day to day life, it has no affect on me or anyone else at the societal level, either.
The thing is, i'm not even right wing. I'm on the left, but i'm inherently skeptical of the power of the state and realize that it needs to be kept in check.
Governments aren't some abstract concept, they're human inventions, and are made up of human beings, all of whom are fallible. I wouldn't trust my neighbor with all of my personal information, so why trust a random NSA analyst in some complex in Virginia?
This big surveillance apparatus may not be getting used for nefarious purposes right now, but that doesn't mean it can't be used for nefarious purposes in the future. The only way to guard against this is to limit the power of the state or run these systems in the most transparent way possible.
You're still not addressing the point. This isn't an issue of privacy, which boils down to pretentious ethical bullshit. This is an issue of going through numerous, unnecessary, safety measures to make sure the gubbamint boogeyman doesn't look through your shit when there is a 0.00001% chance that it could negatively affect your life.
>implying the government gives a shit about your fat ass jerking off to your mom's picture
Do you know what suspicious means? And that not wanting to reveal information can get you in prison? God damn, you're getting filtered.
There is. The worst a 4channer can do to you is not that bad compared the the worst a government can do to you.
Better hope they don't take anything you do out of context and arrest you
Or take out of context on purpose, because they need x number of convictions to justify whatever law or budget they need.
No they hadn't. People paying attention had a vague suspicion that the NSA was up to no good, but we did not have any idea about the scale of the thing.
I was interested in this prior to Snowden and there's an ocean between what we knew before and what we know now.
>You're still not addressing the point.
This is the point, as presented by OP:
"Your privacy is not important."
I would like to see OP, or anyone who agrees with this, to prove that statement. Go ahead, prove to us that your privacy is unimportant. Post your private details.
And you can keep your data from 4channers.
You can't keep your data from the government if they have their way.
Trying to keep your data from the government is called obstruction of justice.
If you're worried about your data being abused isn't it wise to not have it stored by third parties in the first place? Google getting hacked is a remote possibility, but it's happened to the iCloud and to Sony.
You are using 4chan as a forum. Privacy is not important to you, because you are not a pedophile, right?
Prove it by posting your timestamped pic, along with verifiable name, e-mail, address, phone number, and place of work.
You're cherry picking, now. My argument against the chance of anything bad happening to your information still stands unless you cherry pick certain cases. ~250 million people have used the internet finely without any negative consequences.
Any noticable negative consequences!
You don't know what they're planning.
Watch! I bet you within the next decade or two a caste system will form because of our privacy problems on the internet!
>I don't have nothing to hide from the government tho anon
Listen, in a world where it's completely legal for the president to order a execution of any american without any due process and keeping the reasoning completely secret, having your data be misinterpreted by some guy shuffling through data writing algorithms to detect data of interest, susceptible to human error- When some guy can misinterpret your data and have it result in an execution without trial or justice, that's something to worry about.
This isn't fiction- this is reality. Humans make mistakes, presidents have veto over someone's right to live without having to provide any reasoning. I don't want to become a mistake splattered on a sidewalk.
And that's assuming best case scenario where it's an honest mistake. How about a scenario where people are incentivised to find terrorists to justify spending on their data collection programs? They will collect just enough to show that you're worthy of being taken somewhere and given enhanced interrogation, but not enough to show that you're actually innocent.
When their job depends on finding people, they will find people.
Oh, by the way, Linux is actually collecting all your data for malicious use in the near future for monetary gain.
Someone would speak up about it. You can even use yourself as an example. I've been browsing the internet since, what, 2003? No problems or concerns.
Because there are instances of people's personal information collected without their consent, being used against them. Specifically with the NSA sharing nude photos they find, or agents spying on a girl they're into and using the information when trying to get into a relationship with them. People can also be blackmailed using their personal information, which has happened in other countries. A lot of harm can come to you with just your information. What type of possessions you have in your house, when you're not home, what kind of car your drive, and any skeletons you have in your closet.
Now I've been using Google for 15 years, so they know everything about me, but I'm still worried.
Just because I'm not doing anything illegal doesn't mean that I don't have a right to privacy.
You don't need to be a criminal to want to own curtains.
And past that, why should I trust the government to be responsible with all the info they collect on me? If my info points to my being near a mall when someone sets off a bomb, what's stopping them from kicking my door down because I happened to be there when it happened?
Not to say that's exactly what will happen, but it wouldn't be the first time someone who wasn't responsible for a crime was hauled in because of an unfortunate correlation.
Additionally, if it's accepted that they're collecting everything, creating false evidence becomes easier. If someone doesn't like you (say, you being gone is useful to them) they can create evidence to be collected. Manufacturing some terrorist plot that you're the centre of.
Or perhaps you're a problem to the government, because you want more civil liberties. Maybe they'll pull a cointelpro on you. Seriously, look up COINTELPRO.
I'm not talking about shit the government might do with your personal data, I'm talking about shit THEY HAVE DONE AND WILL DO AGAIN. One example: MLK was blackmailed with a secretly videotaped sexual encounter with some woman not his wife. By the FBI.
I'm sure the NSA won't use their knowledge of all politicians and activists to influence their behaviour. Nope. They're a much more reputable wing of government.
So you don't care because you're not important? Then you shouldn't even bother making any arguments since you don't give a shit about what other people do around you anyway.
It's all fine and dandy until it's something that you care about that gets fucked over- but when it's someone else you don't give a shit, because you don't see it ever affecting you.
Okay that's a mismash of ideas but the general point is:
The government has a history of abusing personal information to influence important figures.
They have all the personal information. But since it's all secret, they can choose which information they present to the guys with the tickets to secret torture camps.
And they don't even have to prove it's legitimate evidence. They collect everything, ergo if they have it then it's real.
you have any idea how easy it is to frame someone with CheesePizza OP?
its stupidly easy just have some site address in DarkNET, access your victims computer, go to site while running attempting (poorly) to cover your tracks with a proxy software like TOR then download CP into a hidden folder that they dont veen know is on their computer
rince and reperat several times to establish a pattern all while making sure your victim has no alibi for the timelog of the download (if your vic is using is credit card at the exact moment you are accessing his computer then you will be burned)
the Police cybercrime division should take care of the rest in due time but if they dont you can always leave an anonymous tip
also if your argument against me not having privacy is to ensure that the police can catch some basement dweller for the crime of jerking off to pictures then you are an extraordinary peice of shit OP
I'm sorry, when the founding fathers were writing the 4th amendment (you know the one about unwarranted searches and seizures) they were thinking about protecting criminals.
>Someone would speak up about it.
You're naive, which is cute but worrying.
How would an innocent know that it's NSA collected data that got them in trouble? Doesn't turn up in a trial- if they get one.
You need to understand is that the government doesn't consider a trial something important if you're a terror suspect. The 'innocents' that you think will speak up generally return home in a black bag, shipped from some secret facility.
Not hyperbole, this shit happens.
Remember, all this shit is still top secret. The entire fucking point of this is so that they can get people without them knowing how they were caught.
>he believes the government has almost unlimited power that it abuses regularly for the most trivial reasons
>he posts about muh freedoms and his distaste for the government whenever he can
Although I will admit that my examples of people coming home in body bags is non-americans thus far.
Presdent ordered hits can be done on americans without trial or anything though. The president does have this power, there was a big flap over it in 2010 when obama said he could do this, extending bush's self declared right to execute non-americans whenever he wanted with no trial.
Non-americans are the ones most threatened, and they are added to hit lists based on NSA data.
But basic pattern recognition will tell you that this will be extended to americans too, possibly after the next terror attack.
Presidential order assassination extended from non-americans to americans.
So automated hit lists- to protect americans from home grown terrorism is next.
Just wait until a couple hundred people die from a 'home grown' terrorist.
Best not criticise stalin or his secret police will get you.
Smart to not criticise stalin's secret police, but also cowardly.
When did americans become such pathetic snivelling cowards?
Read some James Madison. Or hell, just read the fourth amendment. You can clearly tell that these people were worried about the abuses of government.
Like is terrorism even a legitimate issue? I mean, how many people in the United States have died to acts of terrorism since 9/11? And besides, with Internet surveillance being WELLKNOWN AND TALKED ABOUT EVERY FREAKING DAY, I don't know how someone could be retarded enough to talk about bombing places online and still have the technical know how to make a bomb and execute an attack. Internet surveillance to prevent terrorism is just a joke.
Don't worry, when the heat is in danger of cooling the jews will blow up another couple buildings to make sure the americans never question their government.
You should never question the government, because America was not founded on revolution. Revolution is just another word for terrorism.
It was designed as an unalienable right (Something that the people would not even be able to give up voluntarily, and that the government was beholden to uphold) because the founding fathers saw the potential for the government to use scare stories about crime and the need to stop it to erode civil liberties.
Yeah, all stalin's critics sure changed things for the better that made their inevitable death worth it.
You're so brave for shitposting on an anonymous image board, the founding fathers would be proud.
In addition to that, how many attacks have stopped because of widespread internet surveillance?
Advocates go on and on about protecting us, but they never mention how often we've been protected by the measures currently in place.
Hell, I'm more concerned about what my government is doing than I am with what some psycho is planning an entire ocean away from here.
>ITT: "Use social networks to alterate the popular opinion" operation #666 March 2015, agents: #1337, #888 and #69.
Fuck off, I want to search and fap to anime erryday especially anime lolis and you have no right to spy on my personal life, you are all a bunch of self centered bigots who think their morals are superior to everybody else's "everyone on da internetz is pedo except me cus me be a good goy". You look down on other people who do nothing wrong and the personal informations of millions people collected in your databases pose a danger to the whole world, because you "good goim" won't hesitate 2 seconds to sell everything to the highest bidder, all you care about is your little comfort zone, Snowden is proof of what I am writing, you must be a true retard to believe he was the only one leaking informations to outsiders, your nearest coworker is probably doing the same and so are doing many others from other departments and branches and you'll never find out because altruist people like Snowden are rare. Your government is corrupt to the core and so is your mentality, shame on you.
Sometimes I'm glad to be a yuropoor, at least I can freely fap to finctional characters in the peace of my room.
What actually worries me is that they're not even trying to provide examples to justify what they're doing. The angle is "nothing to hide nothing to fear", not "These actions are justified, we stopped attack x, and attack y, and saved z amount of lives".
Instead of showing the accomplishments of this, they're saying that it's necessary with nothing but scary stories designed to spook people.
And if they had actual accomplishments they would share them. If nothing else so the democrats go 'see the NSA program saved whatever amount of lives during obama's reign of terror'.
If the government placed a camera in my shower, and it reduced my taxes by 90%, sign me the fuck up.
See, this is what you false equivalency fags do. You use an analogy to highlight how insidious it is, yet you don't show how the positives greatly outway the acts that they do. I will gladly let Google have my search history in exchange for great service, at virtually no cost.
Unfortunately placing a camera in your shower would increase taxes.
Stop spending any money on the NSA and you can save money on taxes, how is this not a reason to just disband the NSA?
>implying the only parties seeking to gain access to your information are lawful entities
There are things such as identity theft, ransomware, extortion, and general fuckery.
I love watching Japanese women pooping into toilets, but that doesn't mean I want that information revealed to my contacts or coworkers.
>Unfortunately placing a camera in your shower would increase taxes.
You clearly have a very poor grasp on reading comprehension, hypotheticals, and analogies.
>Stop spending any money on the NSA and you can save money on taxes, how is this not a reason to just disband the NSA?
Better yet, disband the government as a whole and there's no need for taxes all! WHY DIDNT WE THINK OF THIS SOONER?!
More importantly, what do you guys plan to do about all this?
Email your representatives?
Post arguments on your blog?
I actually got exposed over BD toys, porn and all my lewd searches by a snooping family member. Since I won't be taking anything to my grave and permanently fucked up my reputation in the family.... I still find myself doing the same shit.
Nothing illegal, so I ain't no sicko.
>don't care about privacy
>take no measures to ensure privacy
>privacy gets compromised
>private information gets made public
Whether it's someone getting into my email account, someone else getting access to my unencrypted FireFox profile, or someone finding videos of thousands of Japanese women pooping on my unencrypted hard drive; there are many ways that one can discover my love for watching Japanese women pooping if I choose to be careless.
Because the kinds of stuff I like would get the same reaction as if I was watching child pornography. Specifically loli hentai.
You don't need a reason to want privacy however.
If we're talking exclusively state agency surveillance, you've got a few options:
- Blackmail on the off chance you're important or somehow relevant enough for them to care about you, which is a non-trivial concern if you have anything to do with crypto or electronic privacy in general; see MLK vs FBI for a rather extreme example
- Employee with privileged access with a grudge/too much time on their hands; NSA agents have been outed for, among other things, stalking exes and CP-related offenses
- Sheer incompetence leading to data breach and publication; Snowden and Manning are extreme examples of the potential for catastrophic leaks, but there have been plenty of other penetrations into various government networks leading to disclosure of all sorts of data. As a whole, there's a really worrying record of incompetence, making it seem that in some cases idiotic manchildren with a poor grasp of security are being handed access to enormous amounts of potentially highly sensitive data
What do i have to protect?
>tfw 20 years from now a new Hitler-like dictator rises in the US
>kegally seizes NSA hq and servers
>uses the NSA database to hunt and execute who ever opinioned against dictatorship
NSA did nothing wrong, you peeds!
> big deal, billions of people are probably searching the same thing and Google has more things to spend time on
Their entire business model is based on keeping track of what you search and look at after you search
Not him but.. Google is your friend, isn't it? You're a Google shill after all.
Yes, you fucking retard. I know the law well enough to know that I don't do a damned thing that's illegal at all, let alone to the tune of three felonies a day. I'm not a judge, a lawyer, or a cop, and I don't have to be. This claim is just patently absurd.
You are either retarded or shill m8, just stahp.
The thing is that I won't, because I don't break the law. It's a really simple premise.
I get the concerns about privacy and security, but these weird little Orwellan delusions are just too much at this point. Yeah, we have some vague laws. Yeah, they need to be worked on. The average person isn't committing three felonies a day, though, and "teh ebul glubbermontz" isn't waiting in the shadows to take unsuspecting, non-lawyer citizens off to the secret Obama death camps. This nonsense is getting out of hand.
its only a matter of time before the entire NSA datavault is going to be hacked and it will all go public, then we'll see whats really wrong with a survaillance state, when the people can freely view it all just as well as our government, transparency is going to take a dark turn. I for one wouldn't mind seeing the personal bank statements of our politicians, or their travel plans and email correspondence. I wouldn't mind peering through the Popes search history, or sealing billions of credit card numbers from peoples bank correspondence.
I'm not the one claiming they were. When I challenged it, all I got some was some vague news article that cited exactly jack and shit and, had it been about anything else, would have been dismissed as "sensationalism" and "clickbait" by the /g/ pretend hacker hivemind.
Why does the goalpost keep moving
Every time privacy is invaded by the rulers of any country around the world, this is constantly the excuse since the beginning of time.
you're right m8 who cares, lets just bend over to our benevolent overlords
Because privacy is a basic human right.
End of discussion; deal with it.
I'd be very surprised if they were. As I said, it's complete bullshit.
Perhaps, for the sake of discussion, someone could provide some hypotheticals about this average citizen committing three felonies a day?
"teh ebul glubbermentz" may not be the cackling villains of your average Saturday morning, but that doesn't mean they aren't planning to expand their already grossly over extended violations of our rights.
I'm the last person that would claim that things are becoming Orwellian, but the fact that you can get in trouble for recording cops, will have an extensive database entry about you even if you don't live in the US, or can have little to no input in a supposedly free, transparent democracy, says something about the status quo.
You shouldn't have to live off the grid just because you want your privacy.
If the only alternative to not being tracked in that manner is to live like Alexander Graham Bell was never born, why should that be on me?
Why should I have to make my life more difficult just to live assured that I can have my privacy?
>If you aren't watching child pornography then why do you care so much about privacy?
>If you aren't a member of an undesirable religion then why do you care so much about privacy?
>If you don't have subversive political opinions then why do you care so much about privacy?
>As long as you are a model citizen towing the party line then why do you care so much about privacy?
Slippery slope, motherfucker. Push in laws under the guise of THINK OF THE CHILDREN, use them selectively so as to push your real agendas.
The "three felonies a day" claim is kind of sensationalist, but the DoJ itself admits that it doesn't actually know how many federal laws there are on the books.
>"There is no one in the United States over the age of 18 who cannot be indicted for some federal crime," said John Baker, a retired Louisiana State University law professor who has also tried counting the number of new federal crimes created in recent years. "That is not an exaggeration."
If you know anything about US legal code, you know that its fragmented and piecemeal nature lends itself to legal harassment and suppression of dissent. See the example re recording cops in http://reason.com/archives/2010/08/02/ignorance-of-the-law-is-no-exc: it's possible to fuck up the lives of people exercising their clearly defined constitutional rights through spurious enforcement of various laws.
You can't have both bro. Certain technologies are all about tracking. You can either have those technologies or you can't.
My main problem are retards that bitch about online privacy when their cellphone & credit card reveal far more about them and their location than any of that shit that supposedly gets collected online.
i dont have a trashman image big enough for this thread
Your graphic is a little outdated buddy
Cell phone / credit card data collection is just as big a deal, although that's more about government agencies forcing companies to divulge your info than it is about collecting your every little search and login.
I will concede that anyone who complains about the gov knowing their browsing habits without caring about them knowing about your calls or purchases are missing the point.
The jews didn't care about their privacy either.
The nazis found them in the netherlands by their religious records that were used for burials only(cremation/buried and where)
I shitposted on /pol/ and now things that weren't serious are logged somewhere for misinterpretation.
>tfw can't even dick around on the internet without some consequence
I want to eventually gb2 school so I can study science.
This is how system work: google watching every search, making history, with this history making some info about u and then - advertising, consuming history etc. etc. Statistics, beatch!
sometimes I wonder why everyone who uses social media doesn't know how much of their privacy they are giving up
a few decades ago all you had to do for privacy is install some curtains and fences/hedges
now you have to watch everything you do on the internet
I'm super paranoid about my privacy, every time I go out in public I wonder how many people have taken my picture accidentally, like when taking a picture of a building or of themselves with me somewhere in the background.
First principle but if you need hard actual reasons beyond that I got one.
Police find criminals they do that by attempting to link together data until they can build a case your guilty. It doesn't matter if your guilty or not a cop decides to work on you and he tries.
Now if you are innocent hell should in theory fail. But we know that is not always the case. But even if he did any lawyer will tell you never talk to the cops. Why do they say this? Its because talking to the cops can never help you. In fact anything that doesnt point to your guilt is hearsay and cannot be used in a court of law here in the us. The fact is that talking to the cops can only hurt you. And every time you talk to them you are increasing your liability.
Even if you tell the 100% honest truth it can and has hurt people. So understand that every piece of contact with the police is a liability.
How can this type of spying be any different.
Every time your privacy is breached it is a liability to you. And that is without even considering all the side effects this shit introduces like if a government agency has built a way to circumvent your privacy its only a matter of luck until some asshole figures out a way to use it as well.
>tfw paranoid people send do not track requests
>mfw because only they do it they are easier to track
On a side note it's hardly surprising most of /g/ care so much about privacy, just look at desktop threads full of linux users sexually obsessing over japanese children. It;s no surprise they are desperate to keep it a secret, they know it's wrong.
I'm a right wing libertarian.
Okay, take a test sample among 100 people you personally know. How many got in trouble regarding illegal shit that was connected to internet related activities? None? It's a small count obviously, but a good estimator for the overall population. Again, the best example is yourself, who has presumably been shitposting across the Internet for over a decade at least, and who has presumably never been in trouble, even before you started using your stupid software to prevent spying.
You don't even have to settle this using logic, you can just take a test sample.
If you mine buttcoins, don't you help out everyone with pool security? you have to dedicate hardware, money and electricity to mining. If there was no reward for that bitcoin would have failed before even starting
> small gov't left wing
what does that even mean? left implies big gov't. socialism requires gov't control. Certainly you could have smaller gov't versions of each, but nowhere on an economic control scale would i consider anything "left" to be remotely "small".
Right-wing is also big government. It's simply big government geared towards another end, namely safeguarding the interests of the rich and powerful.
It's almost as if political discussion has been framed in such a way that both "sides" support those in power retaining power.
So you are uncomfortable with some random dude you dont know knowing everything about you, but are fine with a large group of dudes you dont know knowing everything about you? You do realize that doesn't make sense?
The scary part is that this is a very common line of thought. Nearly everyone doeant want a random person to be able to know everything about them, but if its the persons job to do so suddenly its okay, even though that proves nothing about the character and intent of the person. It is completely illogical.
no. traditionally, referring to economic systems, left means centralized gov't control, right means very limited gov't control.
Now I'm well aware that modern gov'ts of all kinds have gotten large and still consider themselves right-wing economically, but it doesn't make it so.
I guess it's more of a semantic difference which has been clouded by people trying to classify every issue as left or right, when it was never intended to be that way