What happenned to us?
Have we been consumed by marketing, phones, and battlestations?
Has ironic shit posting gone too far and ruined any motivation to do anything?
What happenned to /cpg/ let alone /g/ as a whole?
>talking about "muh internet freedom"
>the deep web
>Exchanging PGP keys
>programming in ASSEMBLY
>hacking the Gibson
>entering the Matrix
>IRC: #/g/punk at irc.rizon.net
>Unofficial /g/ BBSes:
>> telnet plbbs2.synchro.net
>> telnet gopher.su 1234
>> ssh firstname.lastname@example.org
>> telnet dorsal.tk 2323 [ipv4]
>> telnet dogma.dorsal.tk 2323 [ipv6]
>Public UNIX System: http://sdf.org/
>Public TOPS-20 System: telnet twenex.org
>Reading material: http://textfiles.com/
>List of modern BBSes: http://synchro.net/sbbslist.html
>2600 and Phrack
>WWW->Gopher Bridge: http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/
>Demoscene message board: https://www.pouet.net
>Streaming demoscene music: https://scenemusic.net/demovibes/
>ANSI art archive: http://sixteencolors.net/
>Assembly programming resources: http://www.cheapersunglasses.com/asm.html
Healthy reminder that cyberpunk is now and that one should start living it
instead of fantasizing like some cyberhipster:
Pseudo-wiki and link aggregation: http://cyberlife.neocities.org/cyberpunk.html
Actual wiki with archived links: http://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Cyberpunk
Contribute to the following projects:
>not putting the copypasta in the OP
/cyb/ - The Cyberpunk General
>IRC: #/g/punk on irc.rizon.net
>TOX: #/g/punk TOX groupchat; add the followingB2074450B92DAC83964363EC52F9700BB9E7B330958509BBD795980C8D1A73308354F6F36659and message "invite"
>>> News <<<
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>Latest news from the spit jockeys
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>>> Finding out more <<<
Linux For Beginners, Nackt's Cyberpunk Tech & Library: http://tracerneo.eu.org/cyb/textfiles/
Circumventing surveillance, in meatspace
Encrypting your communications on the grid
Search engines that respect your freedoms
Mesh network technology
Build your own GSM network
Things for your smartphone
Public UNIX systems
How do I get into usenet? How does it work anyway? Why do I have to pay for a service to download files?
I'd like to imagine they stopped, because we came to realize that we are living the cyberpunk fantasy. Every day I wake up and read something in the news an think "That sounds like something from Deus Ex."
As much as I'd love to talk about /cyb/, it's much more exciting to live it. Contribute to the programs in the thread, make pirateboxes, encrypt everything, put jap stickers on your laptop, and become the keyboard cowboy you've always dreamed of.
Remember years back when these threads started popping up once or twice a week? Then remember the month after that with daily threads, a new one being made minutes after the last died?
The brighter flame burns quickest ect.
Keep it weekly and we're good, or, fuck that, once a month have a huge ass thread.
I'll make a /g/iy thread here in a month or so, teach /g/ how to make circuit boards and shit. I hope that soon enough we'll have people making their own smartphones, and not just with a fucking raspberry pi strapped to a screen.
I mean PCB level design. That'll be a good start of cybing /g/ the fuck up.
Lainchan overall certainly holds that feel. Its a sad shell based on ideas, that this younger generation missed out on (or of people not competent enough to do or care to learn). Occasionally there is something worth visiting.
Torchan and overchan used to be interesting and real cyb/diy. Then torchan died and overchan sucks and is slow.
>Designing PCB's with pirated software, based on spec sheets you god onn some shady russian server with "Confidential" sprawled across every page
>Sending the encrypted files to a fab in Shenzhen for manufacturing
>Buying factory reject/recycled intel chips from some chinese website with a currency you earned entirely from letting strangers borrow your processing time.
>Having all the parts arrive on your doorstep
>Spending sleepless nights at a workbench aligning all the half millimeter thick parts on a board that has tenth of a millimeter tolerances for misplacement
>Finally after months of preparation, putting it in a modified toaster oven to reflow it.
>Burning the rom
>Plugging it in
>Watching as it jumps into life
>Realizing you have made a UMPC, from scratch
>Realizing that you can make anything you can imagine, that you are a god, that the future of technology is now in your hands, unbound by the constraints of popular capitalism, profitability, and uncontrolled greed.
Realizing that this isn't fantasy.
I mean us lazy, undriven western fucks. And on more of an individual level, perhaps people sharing their schematic hookups but everyone taking what they do with the info into their own hands entirely.
>Remember Mann was making a movie about hackers and shit
>Google if it's out yet
>Oh shit, it's already on torrents
>Every single one has either retardedly bad audio, is a camrip, or the subs (which you need because half the movie is in China) only work a small amount of the time
>What happenned to us?
Let me break it down for you.
>Have we been consumed by marketing, phones, and battlestations?
No /g/ got flooded by normies that re-post the same shit over and over and over and over and over and over,and mods not doing anything about it.Either limit the number of threads per week or month or make the general threads sticky and let the normies shitpost.
>Has ironic shit posting gone too far and ruined any motivation to do anything?
Hackes was all stereotypes put in one place,its a fucking cringefest but that doesnt mean its not fun to watch and made good points for its time and became cult film in general.
Other note is that THIS BOARD IS RUN BY NORMIES NOW,which means when mention anything cyberpunk like bodymods will get as much resistance here as if they will get in the real world.Sometimes when i see really stupid insults and questions about something i rly cant tell if they are really trolloing or they are that limited with their mind.I remember back in the day if you didint know know what are you talking about or were dumb,mods acted quickly banning left and right just to stop flame war and raise quality on board.Now everything went to shit because chan sold out to icanhascheeseburger network.
Is this what you are talking about? This is the only thing Ive seen on zamunda that is hacker related in recent time.
For the privacy freaks, consider searx!
The second link is from La Quadrature du Net, which is a french association for web privacy, they are trustworth. The code is on Github.
This thread is my jam
It all clicked for me when one anon posted a reply to a thread, asking a question.
>Remember when "battlestations" was said ironically?
Yeah, and how.
So, what's there for US to talk about? I want to be /g/. Not neo-./g/. I still believe in /g/.
Are nootropics /cyb/?
I'm thinking about trying piracetam.
Honestly, there are two ways to really jump-start the cyber punk age.
Either all like-minded individuals create s physical colony, and do wg a they want (obviously very impractical).
Or, we wait for VR and create "lobbies" like in GITS and. Communicate that way.
I'm ok with either.
It's the nature of humanity. Near everything devolves into something utterly braindead, eventually. It simply takes time.
This link is dead: http://cyberlife.neocities.org/cyberpunk.html. Use this one instead: http://web.archive.org/web/20141012133851/http://cyberlife.neocities.org/
Why use a gopher proxy when you can use the real gopher protocol on your browser?
I feel you OP, every time I come on here its just people shit posting about how Linux is the all mighty, how mac is the all mighty, how there desktop environment is all mighty, how there battle-station is all mighty and a bunch of consumerism shit.
Not a single post of what someone has made with an electronics board, how they set up their server to do something cool or actually talking about something innovative and game changing to the industry as a whole.
This board is honestly a piece of shit, might as well call it /b/v2
I desperately wish that there was more DIY tech stuff on this board.
I can't do anything of the like myself, but just seeing what people can make with their own two hands is infinitely more interesting than the specs of the latest bloated smartphone.
It is because most people on /g/ don't know anything about technology. They only know how to one-up each other using their pockets by buying brand named stuff. Most just use their rigs for nothing more than porn and games.
Why don't we come up with a project then?
What's something we all could be interested in, that everyone could contribute to, that would not require intensive/large monetary contribution from those involved?
/g/'s problems are too deeply rooted and as a board, it, along with 4chan, is beyond reconciliation. Anyone who values their sanity has moved on elsewhere. Anyone else with half a brain here has a very guarded psyche and doesn't come here for anything meaningful or invested.
I just hang around on lainchan now and then. But that's more because I like SEL to begin with and wanted to see if it was possible to be around those of roughly similar mind for once. And what would happen. I've noticed major Lain fans tend to be of a certain sort.
Neat radio either way though.
I'm the guy you replied to. I'm also just beginning to learn Python and Linux Mint. So I can't contribute much in that sense. But I do have professional skills in marketing and project management.
Clony would be more optimal. People involved should have a stable source of income so they don't become a burden on others. The point isn't to bond but to be productive. Regional colonies will be a must.
I don't know shit about hacking or making PCBs because I'm a retarded NEET that's given up on life. Hell, I probably knew more about hacking in my teens than I do now.
I have never seen anything worthwhile in these threads either and I've been here since the start. There isn't much on lainchan other than >cyb wallpapers >cyb music >cyb vpn.
This is all pretty pointless if you want my opinion.
I'm slowly rising out of a desolate pit of having given up. I don't really think about it anymore, I don't expect anything, I don't care if I succeed or fail and honestly barely have a perspective of the delineation between the two.
I suppose I learned a new perspective on the nature of trying. I'm still a broken mess, but it's all ultimately up to you. Maybe you oughta just move without planning or caring where you'll end up.
I'm sure we all have one or two old android phones lying around, what do you think would be a good use for them?
They can be powered by a single USB cable so they don't consume much energy. I've used one as IP webcam but there isn't anything interesting around my place.
I figure they could be used as repeaters or used as a small LAN network.
It's what the name implies. It's a webcam accessible by an IP address.
I don't, sorry. I'm not sure the question even could be answered, or how to define "they".
I imagine they either went off to do their own things, or could be said to have dispersed to other smaller communities based on their individual interests. I'm sure you could plot out a spectrum of places and where people clustered to if you had access to that kind of information though. What clusters to point to, I don't know.
I'm on IRC most of the time but even the IRC craze has toned downed a bit I feel like.
The early days of Internet wild west are mostly gone now, lots of people stopped experimenting or grew out of it. My circle dispersed as time went by, people got jobs and fell into their daily routine.
Looking at the catalog right now I don't see anything interesting, I just come here to pass time I guess but I am disgusted at the tech support and consumer tech threads. It's always the same fucking garbage.
What to do...
I'm taking a break, man. I feel unwelcomed at this time.
Not that anon, but it's possible the people currently lounging around in a chat might already be discussing something.
For all we know, lainchan could be having a riveting discussion on tech.
first one is old; I don't think any of those BBSs are still running; the second one is the one I helped write up last year iirc. it also needs updated; we don't have a tox groupbot anymore I don't think.
>Reading Charles Stross blog
>it's pretty good
>suddenly reach the line "I know this may boggle the imagination of younger or more forgetful readers, but Al Quaida and Osama bin Laden had not at that time hijacked any airliners, much less etched themselves into the pages of world history: they were not, at that time, the Emmanuel Goldstein of the New World Order."
How can someone so clever be such a retard
an old smartphone that can run something like LAYAR, or something small that runs android.
If you can't find something that is small enough, you might need to work with a pellicle mirror
>Remember years back when these threads started popping up once or twice a week?
Dude that was literally "one" year ago; it hasn't been that long. The generals stopped being a daily thing by the time the fall school year came around; I agree with everything else you've said tho.
1. Google "IP webcam"
2. Install the APK on phone
3. Connect phone to the interwebz and see if it's accessible from the mentioned IP address
not that guy, but just get a program that'll pipe your webcam to a stream on your system.
install a server backend like php or sinatra or django and write a frontend that'll feed that pipe through to localhost.
install nginx and proxy it forward so you can access it anywhere in your home.
I'm sure there are ruby/python libs that can interface nicely with most webcams for this purpose.
sick game thats been indev since 2012. i love the way it looks.
I could not help but notice your png was not optimized anon.
I have optimized your png.
Your png is now optimized.
this is quickly becomming a trainwreck
im talking about using the phone as the ipcam, i've done all that before
sorry, i honestly didnt think it would be called "IP Webcam"
I'd agree with this completely for starting off. I started that stack a few years ago, then added piracetam and later noopept to the stack. Shit's cash for focus and learning, anon. It got me through me through finals multiple times.
I've been experimenting with L-DOPA on occasion also. Helps me sleep a lot better, and gives me some crazy fucking dreams.
Yeah, I have it in mucuna form as well. My subjective experience has been an increase in the quality of my sleep, but I haven't used it consistently enough to notice anything else.
I have visual snow, and among other things my brain tends to handle drugs strangely.
Only in my early twenties, but I'd say I'dve been more readily apt to try it when I was a bit younger. I'm kind of ingrained in my routines and the various compounds at my disposal. It's interesting to hear your experience with it though, maybe one of these days.
#/g/punk on rizon; #lainchan on freenode.
on a sidenote lainchan is working on their own e-zine and another anon started up their own at https://ensorcel.org/.
That's pretty much all that's been going on with this community as of late afaik.
I would've gone that direction myself at a point. Was going to do some acid, or peyote buttons in high school, but couldn't find a decent source. Couple growing mental instability with that and it just didn't end up working out. Stuck mainly with amphetamine (d and l), kava kava, cocoa bean, various sources of the other methyxanthines, etc.
I'm not really in a period that supports any kind of unchecked expansion at the moment. I've spent the last few years dragging myself back to something functional, and seeking some kind of reconciliation. Life has definitely been its own trip.
ah yes; in the future people commute in lamborghinis, neon is more vibrant than ever before and everyone is able to afford acrnm™ streetwear.
Cyberpunk is very much ingrained with Brutalist architecture as the subgenre sprouted at the height of the Cold War; since it was a romantic reaction to the military industrial complex of yesteryear people often equate that sensibility by instilling renaissance-era imagery. From Blade Runner to Deus Ex; it's all there. Poor people co-opting ancient modernist apartments and just doing what they can to survive under the umbrella of looming concrete megastructures in the backdrop.
The main problem thing that I see in the way of cyberpunk is that security is too good these days. Back at the start of all this, phreakers used to be able to get free long distance calls by just whistling certain tones. I wish getting free mobile 4G was so easy.
The facebook generation started laughing at anyone using them.
This is the real problem I guess. There's a big drive in a fair few western countries to get more people into programming and computers though. Maybe the next generation will be the real cyber-punks
probably. Shits getting really crazy really quickly, although I predict a bust of the whole mobile app market soon and that it'll quickly be replaced with frivolous biotechnology and wearables that will also barely make money.
>routine is going to blow alien isolation out of the water. didnt really like that game
Is it going to surpass it because it's better (which is subjective) or because you didn't like it (which is also subjective)? Lot of people enjoyed Ayy lsolation though, me included, so it definitely wasn't bad, but it's subjective preference overall.
Routine seems promising, although I wouldn't bet my money on it. I will definitely try it out if it (ever) comes out. I usually like games like these.
Me too. I'm interested what's going to happen considering that they're keeping Adam. I thought that the game would be more years apart from HR dealing with shit after the major consequences happened, but it looks like it's actually dealing with the consequences directly. If it will be at least as good as HR then it's ok, but I hope they will have a few new tricks without ruining the experience.
You have to start small. I remember discovering years ago how to keep the Internet access active on an inactive Boost Mobile account as long as you added $0.20 every three months (doesn't work anymore). Or when tethering was blocked by T-Mobile, how it worked suddenly worked in a virtual machine running Linux. Just keep fucking around with it and hope to get lucky like I did, or read more about how SIM cards work I guess
wake up, Neo, Cyberpunk is dead
it's an outdated view of the future, much like space opera before it
Gibson and the rest emphasized what was new and exciting in the 80's and combined it with the then popular punk subculture
but while the technology factor is less absurd than in space opera the message and cultural reflection of cyberpunk is no less outdated and out of touch
they said none of the endings are cannon and they're trying to build a story using parts from all 4 endings.
So not consequences directly but consequences of the general mood of society
Hard to answer. I dont as much aspire to be cyberpunk as much as cyberpunk seems to coincide with what I want to be. I want to just be able to tinker with anything and male my own tools that I use in everyday life. I'd also like to make things for other people that helps us all stay connected and resist the urge to fall into soul killing adult routines.
The main advantage of graphene supercaps is charge time. It's just as energy dense as liion. So it'd be just as heavy.
except graphene is new shit, so its expensive, impractically so.
>muh cd burner and pencil lead
Alright faggot go and make a battery with those things.
I'm not saying the tech is bad. I'ts fucking amazing and I can't fucking wait till we see it start hitting consumer markets. But for now, it's just a tech lab special hype buzz machine with no practical applications.
There's a YouTube channel for a chemist who fucks around with graphine. He's made like 20 different ways to produce it already. I can't remember his name though. I'll go look it up for you.
This guy >>47441014
Although it's a strange decision. However if there would be any canon ending then this is what I think: (So yeah probably it's a combination of multiple endings, but I haven't seen anything resembling Sarif industries in the trailer.)
At first look the announcement trailer emphasized the division of the augmented and the "normal" people. As far as I remember only one ending implied heavy regulations, so maybe an opposite ending is the cannon one. You could also blew yourself up and there is an image in the announcement trailer where Adam is floating in cold water. Maybe he blew the facility up.
>I'll go look it up for you.
Heh, that's actually really nice of you anon, thank you.
I still think about OWS sometimes. It could have been a very good thing, the young and not so young population started to get together and form movements. The problem is they were played by the system because everyone was inexperienced and the system knew how to play them, so they collapsed on themselves.
Why is it that the internet who was a playfield of progress and innovative ideas suddenly turned into this hostile thing that you need to control and a vehicle for old political ideas like the shit you see /pol/ kids spouting everywhere?
The cyberpunk of today doesn't even look close to the 80's cyberpunk, there isn't much punk there anymore. It flirts with sci-fi and futuristic dystopian ideas.
Anyway, a cyberpunk society is one you should avoid.
but we're not
it's all about hi-tech vs lo-life
we're reaching the tech but we're no closer to, in fact significantly further from, the lo-life part than we were when cy was relevant, in the 80's and early 90's
cyberpunk has always been about the low-life vs the machine
ironically the massive centralization and oversight makes for a largely anarchist society
the classic low-lifes of the punk culture are getting fewer by the minute and the machine is as ubiquitous as it has always been but we're increasing the distance between us and the lawless hellhole of The Sprawl, not approaching it
Why won't you anon? Like I said in a few posts above, I'm going to be compiling all the ideas and IRC channels tonight. We will keep this active. Fuck it. Let's start a project and DO something. Got to start somewhere.
It's probably for the best. All the endings left a bad taste in my mouth
>just choose a button at the end, nothing matters
and they were all crazy extreme decisions. So some mediation between them is the best way to go.
I'm increasingly of the idea that we should turn off our computers and go back to influence the (real) world.
I quite agree. I felt the endings were kinda out of sync with the game.
>and they were all crazy extreme decisions. So some mediation between them is the best way to go.
This. There is no way he couldn't have told the truth in a better manner especially that the AI TV girl (Eliza) could almost do whatever Adam would have wanted.
the next bit is pretty funny actually. DPI and mass data mining are a thing now but weren't before because we finally have the processing power available cheaply enough for this to happen. in the coming years, moore's law comes to a screeching halt, while the developing world quickly catches up with the rest of us. All these new internet users pose a problem, because there's suddenly a lot more data that needs processing, but chips aren't getting any faster anymore. DPI isn't possible without massively degrading service again, and the elite's wet dream of total information awareness disappears ony a few years after it fully comes to fruition.
Anyone here remember Diaspora? Is that thing still active?
I believe it started here on /cyb/.
The online world is a part of the real world though.
And movements can be digital, just as much as they can be physical. We may not have large protests in the streets against NSA surveillance, for example, but we've got plenty of people tweeting, emailing, and calling.
Nowhere as many as would be nice, but still a decent amount.
Bullshit. It's just going to happen differently than everyone expects.
With all the SJW shit going on and the constant destruction of the male idea, men are just going to check out. It's already started happening. Lads culture in the UK. The boys in Japan. When Hilary become President it will happen in America.
That's when we all get together. We form our own shit. We become the "cyber punks."
And females gp back to begging for attention through sex and sandwiches
>ironically the massive centralization and oversight makes for a largely anarchist society
Seems like it's still a thing, although it seems to be bigger over in Germany than in the states.
I think lainchan's /cyb/ was trying to put together their own node, but I'm not sure how that turned out.
I don't believe in the sincerity of that author, I think the misleading is intentional. It doesn't matter who gets elected when the game is rigged.
>inb4 what am I talking about
>the lobbyist revolving-door policy, the free-flowing money on capitol hill, the in-your-face corruption, corporations amending bills on the floor and injecting completely irrelevant clauses, anonymous amendments, etc
Yeah but look at it this way, if everyone thinks like you, that elections are only a coin-toss and everything is corrupted, then it doesn't change the status quo. It only gets worse for you.
You can bet your ass that conservative baby boomer who only cares about his retirement is going to vote 100% of the time and push for candidates that cater to his ideals, while people like you won't vote at all so the people that could change something won't ever get elected.
>if everyone thinks like you, that elections are only a coin-toss and everything is corrupted, then it doesn't change the status quo. It only gets worse for you
No, you don't get it. Shit's gonna get worse anyway, because it's not the politicians who run the show. It's the corporations. The only thing you may be able to change is whether pants-on-head retarded anti-abortion laws pass, but looking at the big picture, it's small potatoes.
Voting is supporting the system.
I'm not as optimistic as you.
Internet conservativism is nothing new. 2channel experienced it before us. You have to remember that 4chan has a tendency to be in opposition of the mainstream, the mainstream right now is liberal so the dialogue is conservative. Furthermore conservative ideas can be just as innovative and different as liberal ideas are. Check your ideology at the door and let your beliefs get questioned, just remember most of what you see has a certain level of irony to it.
Not within the affordances of the existing system. Just like you can't throw a human in the vacuum of space and say "it'll be rough with the no oxygen and cosmic rays thing at first, but we'll evolve." Can't. Not within existing affordances. Or factors, or competitive stimuli, whatever.
Systems rigged. Shit's fucked. I didn't vote the last 2 elections and I'm probably not going to delude myself into starting.
>Voting is supporting the system.
No, you HAVE TO vote. It doesn't cost you anything and at least you did something.
Don't even vote for dems or reps, vote for a third-party. If everyone did this, things would start to change or at least get noticed. You have to make your discontent known.
Some of /pol/'s concerns are very valid but I feel like they're too easily influenced and misled. I don't think the mainstream right now can really be considered liberal, it's more of a bastardization of liberal ideas to make things look confusing, murky, obscure etc. (yes, I'm talking about pot, equality, gay rights and so on, those things completely miss the point and aren't worth fighting for).
Nothing is static. Even if it happens long after all of us are dead and in the ground, SOMETHING will have to change eventually. And there has to be someway, no matter how small, that can affect the status quo.
Nothing can stay fucked forever.
Like wise what you see here is murky, vaguely conservative and hateful. You're right though, it's not like anyone has the right answers. Everyone is right sometimes and wrong at other times.
>If everyone did this, things would start to change or at least get noticed.
What part of corporations running the show don't you understand? Corporate money corrupts anything it touches and the bad guys are going to get in anyway. Even if we took faith in your naive perspective that it's the people that's the problem, do you honestly think the corporations wouldn't start funding third-party candidates the moment voting for them became a thing? They'd muddy the waters in a heartbeat.
The. Game. Is. Rigged.
You don't; we've been over this dozens of times.
With the internet providing easy access to information the very existence of subcultures has been made irrelevant. Subcultures have always existed to reinforce niche markets; niche markets garner their value in being niche. Yet when everyone can access previously niche markets within a few keystrokes, where does that leave the counterculture that subcultures have always been known for? The only kind of subculture that can exist in the information age is something dedicated to some visual aesthetic and nothing more; which at that point make you no more than a bloody hipster faggot.
Watch this video on genres and you'll see what I mean; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRIWmvvHQAw
>Even if it happens long after all of us are dead and in the ground, SOMETHING will have to change eventually. And there has to be someway, no matter how small, that can affect the status quo.
I agree. The western democracies are in the corruption stage of the cycle. Shit will degenerate even further until it collapses. And then the tape is flipped and the story starts over.
Your thinking is a recipe for suicide at forty when you realize you've sold your soul and changed jack shit.
When I see these threads (they used to be a lot more common some time ago), I always wonder is all just a nostalgia and what's the point of the modern cyberpunk.
20-30 years ago it kind of made sense, but now the vision of the future is not dictated by the users. It's all done by giant corporations like Google, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, etc. Hacking has changed too, mostly for the worst. Now there's a lot less freedom as software is generally a lot more secure and closed/locked/commercalized. Besides, the hacking has been, to a large extent, commercialized and now people call themselves ridiculous names such as ``pentester'' and ``security analyst'', which emphasizes only the security aspect and disregards any other part of the culture, which is simply dead. The popularity killed it, like it does to almost everything. Modern technology, and the Internet in particular, has been dumbed down for the masses to consume. We actually did lose the battle with the corporations, Google and the rest won. We are the losers.
>Nothing can stay fucked forever.
This has been a main point in my own thoughts for a while. Most of my life, really. Can something stay fucked forever? Does anything ever really change?
My answer has come to be yes and no. We never change. Our behaviors are augmented as technology develops (ie change as a function of perceived and actual affordance), a social are allowed a certain degree of change as a result of this base. You get shit like law and assorted delusions of higher authority whether in a religious or legal sense.
But ultimately, we don't change. The bigger picture is static, we move in the same maddening cycles over, and over, and over, again. As individuals, as groups, as societies, as a species. I've come to believe it doesn't matter. We're intrinsically broken and no matter what we do, every single thing we create, as long as we are a part of it, is built to fall apart. And it will. And we'll rebuild. And it'll become the same again in a new context. And it'll collapse, or we'll collapse it. And we'll make it again. And that's just the way of things.
We can't change. All this sci-fi. All this transhumanism, cyberpunk, whatever, it's all about this. Trying to change our consciousness enough so that we actually become something that works. So that we can expand our being to something that transcends this.
But I don't we can even with such things. There's just.... there's just somethin' about us.
With the rise of the Pirate party a bit everywhere in Europe and the EU, I'm still a bit hopeful things might get better.
I'm not sure how to change the situation in the good ol' US of A, seems like people resigned to the almighty god of money and wealth at this point.
Anyway, do you guys have any good cyberpunk tumblrs?
>20-30 years ago it kind of made sense, but now the vision of the future is not dictated by the users. It's all done by giant corporations like Google, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, etc
how is that not cyberpunk
Likely because the current climate is conducive to a defeatist attitude.
Not that either of us can blame them. The situation is quite a bit grim. Doesn't mean you can't try to do something about it.
>Your thinking is a recipe for suicide at forty when you realize you've sold your soul and changed jack shit.
Mind expanding on this a bit?
>Seems like a lot of people are waiting for "the collapse" by just doing nothing.
There is nothing you can do. Tell me how to rein in the financial institutions, the banks and the multinational corporations with larger turnovers than many governments, and I'll join your cause.
No, wait, you can't. There is no point in curing your seasonal flu if you have small-cell carcenoma.
I like subtleties. And it really is something that metastasizes everywhere until it's infected everything it has access to.
Can't wrap my head around the idea that as individuals or even a small collective, there's anything to be done but simply watch. No one has enough power to truly do anything even if you go all "I don't plan on walking out of this", there's no one thing that can be attacked through established channels or even non-standard means.
Really, anyone who thinks otherwise, I'll definitely listen to any ideas to the contrary.
>What happenned to us?
Marketing, phones and battlestations are indeed a problem. But make no mistake: /cpg/, itself, is cancer.
Thread quality implies quality of the content posted within. The content posted in cpg is fiction wankery and uniformed opinions.
To change the world, change yourself.
I don't buy the latest tech, I don't support "brands" or trends set by corporations. I cook my own food as far as is possible.
Get out of this consumerism craze, don't give them more money. Don't make threads about the apple watch or the latest samsung phone. Support people who are trying to change things. It's hard getting out of the comfort-zone at first but you'll feel so much better.
Pure-hearted idealists who get into the political game trying to change the system often compromise themselves in their efforts, and crash hard when they eventually realize the game reverts into its original corrupted form (or worse) the moment you stop/fail to act. Not only did they change nothing, but they contributed to the cancer they wanted to heal.
It's like some rapper put it
>You lose the moment you start believing what they're saying
He was talking about hustlers, but it works for politicians as well. They're just hustlers in a different income bracket.
>To change the world, change yourself.
Are you the person I replied to? Because you just did a complete 180.
Yeah, you can become the next post-Berkeley years Ted Kaczynski if you want, but you'll have negligible effect on society compared to the average trust fund kid making six figures, no matter if they vote or not.
How is that cancer? You cannot always get unformed opinions and high quality content, people have to start from somewhere. That applies to everything, not just cyberpunk or this particular thread.
>the next post-Berkeley years Ted Kaczynski
I'm not a luddite, I'm not against technology, far from it if that is was you're implying.
I'm saying, vote with your money if you're not going to vote in the political system.
>at the forefront of a trend; experimental or avant-garde.
>And it really is something that metastasizes everywhere until it's infected everything it has access to.
>there's no one thing that can be attacked through established channels or even non-standard means.
Amen to that, brother. When no-one stands up for anything beyond personal gain, the 'bad guys' are just interchangeable units with no inherent value to the system.
1) you can't change other people (read: plebs will pleb as they have and they always will)
2) your money - or the absence of it - in the market place is completely irrelevant
3) FTR, I don't buy into that consumerist crap, but consumerism is just the flu, not the lung cancer
I actually do what you do, but I feel like you advocating it as a solution to the problem is mental masturbation, like driving a hybrid car or recycling.
That's the thing. I don't have a solution, I honestly believe our generation and the next are basically fucked. We're here to witness the downfall, but if we're "lucky", not the rock bottom.
Here's my plan
>make it into the upper class before social mobility hits its low point
>do NOT compromise yourself (contribute to the cancer) while doing that
>work to develop ways of circumventing/mitigating existing/future surveillance systems
I think we'll be able to have usable, secure communications channels in the future. But that's it.
Honestly, I think we are nearing an era of bio-cyberpunk or something of the sort. Just the other day I was reading about new types of quantum sensors, one was an advanced form of quantum dot and the other one was using electronic spins in a diamond lattice to measure time-varying electromagnetic fields. We are soon going to be able to integrate seamlessly sensory systems with the human body, without any butchery at all, that can measure literally everything that's happening inside. It's time for the reverse engineering of the human body and then follows all the crazy stuff. I think people should focus a bit more on that rather than having nostalgia boners over dead tech and mediocre sci-fi.
so is "i will work within the system to effect change in a gradual fashion while also getting rich BUT NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO OR ANYTHING I JUST HAVE TO GET RICH SO PEOPLE TAKE ME SERIOUSLY I'M A MARTYR TO THE CAUSE REALLY I AM"
gramsci pls go
>make it into the upper class before social mobility hits its low point
technical skills, technical skills, technical skills
Even then, the pay will probably end up being kicked down in the coming years even if you are a l33t-n1nj4 at JavaShit
>work to develop ways of circumventing/mitigating existing/future surveillance systems
Good luck. They have years ahead of us and an almost unlimited bank account. You need super smart people to work for free to give us things we can't use to circumvent these, and those people have to work without expecting a dime. Then it has to be a clever enough solution to withstand attack from the other side of super smart people working for the surveillance state. That's a lot of burden for one or a small group.
I don't know Anon, that doesn't look like much of a plan.
In the grand scheme of things, surveillance is the least of my worries. Surveillance is just that, surveillance. Some people will have it used against them, even while being totally innocent but it doesn't change much for the rest of the population.
>we'll be able to have usable, secure communications channels in the future
Right now we have means of communicating freely (you're using it), yet no one uses it for anything worthwhile other than pushing their viral video and make some quick bucks with ads. You think it being "secure" will change anything?
What's worse is not having a future at all, eating crappy food, breathing polluted air, working yourself to death with nothing to look forward to other than some rehashed video game.
>i will work within the system to effect change in a gradual fashion
No, I don't believe I can change the system at all; that has consistently been my argument throughout the thread. How you concluded THAT from my posts is beyond me.
>while also getting rich BUT NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO OR ANYTHING I JUST HAVE TO GET RICH SO PEOPLE TAKE ME SERIOUSLY
Now you're just making stuff up. I explicitly explained my belief that shit's gonna hit the fan on a societal level and that I don't wish to be in the socioeconomic classes that get hit the hardest. I don't give two shits what people think about me.
>I'M A MARTYR TO THE CAUSE REALLY I AM"
Now you just went full retard.
>he thinks when shit hits the fan that the upper class and the rich won't be targeted
>Even then, the pay will probably end up being kicked down in the coming years even if you are a l33t-n1nj4 at JavaShit
You gotta go corporate to make it, son.
>it's impossibru to avoid the machine for free
Tell that to developers of OTR, PGP, Truecrypt, Tails, Tor, DarkMail etc. The infrastructure exists.
>I don't know Anon, that doesn't look like much of a plan.
What were the two first sentences in that post you replied to?
>In the grand scheme of things, surveillance is the least of my worries. Surveillance is just that, surveillance. Some people will have it used against them, even while being totally innocent but it doesn't change much for the rest of the population.
That's where you're wrong. The ability to communicate with others without the fear of instant retribution from the people in charge is essential for any non-dystopian society, particularly when shit hits the fan. If you cannot understand why, there is no point in continuing this conversation.
>Right now we have means of communicating freely (you're using it), yet no one uses it for anything worthwhile other than pushing their viral video and make some quick bucks with ads. You think it being "secure" will change anything?
Who says no-one is using it for anything worthwhile? Are you saying that monitoring hasn't already lead to self-censorship? Your statement is fallacious.
>What's worse is not having a future at all, eating crappy food, breathing polluted air, working yourself to death with nothing to look forward to other than some rehashed video game.
It's out of our hands either way.
>shit hits the fan =/= shit hits rock bottom
There's a grace period of corruption, gated communities and paramilitary forces that leech money off the rich for protection against the hordes of the hostile poor. Also, when you're rich, fleeing is an option.
I've got that cheapo RTL-SDR dongle you can buy for less than 10$ dollars. It's great; install any Linux, build your own antenna and you can catch nice stuff, satelites even.
So far I've caught CB radio transmissions and train transmissions. I'll also try using the SDR while travelling on an actual train.
I'd rather be of the "stupid, poor masses" than live in a gated community with rich fucks eating plastic sushi while the world around them burns to the ground.
Complete disregard for the world.
>than live in a gated community with rich fucks eating plastic sushi while the world around them burns to the ground
How noble of you.
>Complete disregard for the world.
>implying there's something they could do at that point
>>>implying there's something they could do at that point
>implying they're not perpetrating the cycle that brought them to that point
It's like you're blind and just keep hitting the wall thinking it'll move out of the way one day.
>Tell that to developers of OTR, PGP, Truecrypt, Tails, Tor, DarkMail etc. The infrastructure exists.
I think they'd still argue that the odds are stacked against them. They have a lot less room to make mistakes.
You're playing on the faulty premise that you can change people.
>protip: you can't
>I think they'd still argue that the odds are stacked against them.
>They have a lot less room to make mistakes.
But that is ALWAYS the case. My point is, it's not a lost cause. All of the technologies I listed (short of the currently-unimplemented DarkMail) are trite and true and NSA-proof.
>so they collapsed on themselves.
The government automatically infiltrates any movement that might grow big.
>Occupy Houston assassination plot records won't be released
>A heavily-redacted FBI document first revealed a Houston plot "to gather intelligence against the leaders of the protest groups and obtain photographs, then kill the leadership via suppressed sniper rifles."
>US Defense Department organizing covert operations against "the general public"
>It has been 54 years since the FBI launched a covert war against political dissents known as the Counter Intelligence Program or more infamously by its acronym COINTEL-PRO.
>You're playing on the faulty premise that you can change people.
You're implying people can never change and see the wrong in their ways, which is equally false.
Anyway, I'd rather not support people that promote the status quo (that is in their favor instead of everyone else's, which is 90% of the world's population), people that did something so bad that they literally need to flee, people that are slowly driving this planet to the ground with pollution and useless consumerism, people that would employ private armies so they can have a pool in the desert. You might think otherwise, you might want to join them and that is your choice and I respect it, so we'll just fight each other and see who wins.
>WASHINGTON — The federal government has significantly expanded undercover operations in recent years, with officers from at least 40 agencies posing as business people, welfare recipients, political protesters and even doctors or ministers to ferret out wrongdoing, records and interviews show.
>At the Supreme Court, small teams of undercover officers dress as students at large demonstrations outside the courthouse and join the protests to look for suspicious activity, according to officials familiar with the practice.
Despite the cancer this one thread has more life than the whole general in the other chan. I'd rather this- at least until the marketers and corps catch on and "Daily Mac Love General- Cyberpunk Edition" becomes a reality.
Despite having a cyberpunk board that whole site is plagued by so much drama that culture boards had no chance to grow.
You cannot even go to the court with the case against the government, because the court is going to dismiss the case right away.
>Federal judge throws out lawsuit over spying on O.C. Muslims
>The judge says allowing the suit to go forward would risk divulging sensitive state secrets. Several groups had sued over the activities of an FBI informant.
The increased need for the "national security" justifies increased surveillance and covert operations on the domestic land.
>THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent years — or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts.
>But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested.
Yes, I know it's not the only single program to do that. Since you took the time to point out this fact, you could as well list the alternatives. Here's an example of the list (PNG/JPEG/GIF) : PNGOUT, Zopfli, Pngcrush, AdvPNG, OptiPNG, JpegOptim, jpegrescan, jpegtran, Gifsicle.
>You're implying people can never change and see the wrong in their ways, which is equally false.
>b-b-b-but you can change the system
We've been over this, you can't. Read the thread.
The rest of your post is just a long-winded straw man argument. You mention things like supporting consumerism and the current system that's essentially ass-raping the proletariat, both of which I've said I neither support nor participate in. You are just making shit up.
>people that did something so bad that they literally need to flee
Now you're just trolling. Just because you're rich and you need to flee from the collapse of society doesn't mean you did something bad.
I'm done here, you're either a troll or functionally illiterate.
>wah wah change is hard
If you cant change the system then use the system to make a change. Or make yourself so useful that the system can't ignore you. Don't b.
Bitcoin could heavily disrupt the world economy, hence why the fed wants to regulate it, EU thought about making it a world currency to topple the dollar, and the rich call it a scam and pretend to ignore it to protect their assets.
You have to be a deterrant or a really motivated nihilist to believe you have no power.
Ted Kaczynski is a primitivist; primitvists view technology as a symbol of oppression and conclude that it should be dismantled. neoluddites aren't against technology; they're against the misuse of technology that causes socioeconomic inequality; with that in mind the luddites of the industrial revolution would be the progressives of today.
Not him, but see >>47441811
>the luddites of the industrial revolution would be the progressives of today.
I see where you're coming from but should we accept the gross misuse of technology against mankind from governments and corporations alike, just because they're using novel technology? Just embrace it blindly?
I'd like to think that the majority of people are for technological advancement as long as it benefits them. So we're all a bit luddite in one way or another. Kaczynski is partly correct that technology oppresses what makes someone "human" because it literally makes humans useless.
My posts were in the same vein as the guy who just apparently was "shown", yet mine are never responded to. It's curious. Ctrl+f "affordance". I'm the only one who seems to (over)use it.
It might be true that we have something that could be called "power", but it down to degrees and how far it can actually lastingly reach in the greater whole. As individuals to create change around us we access one of two means
-Altering our minds, and therefore our perception of our external environment
-Tapping an affordance, which sets into play certain reactions which change the state of what is around us and double as their own actions. It is a system, and I'd argue most meaningfully viewed as one.
Within the whole there are very few places or people that have time or will for much of anything, and there are very few opportunities to actually get a foothold and get something rolling. If you exist and are reading this post at all, chances are your ecology is engineered in a way that dampens and stamps out these sorts of actions from forming any cascade. Life just doesn't work that way.
Hence, it comes down to degrees of power and control. The typical individual? Not much if any at all in a broader sense. You get the occasional person who radically redefines some sector of something, but these days that's quite uncommon. The barrier of entry is massive and the board is already set for a game you might not fit into. It is delusional to believe you have any real power. If you think otherwise, what are you doing here discussing it? Why don't you already possess it?
Working on it? Oh. How long you been at that, and how's that goin' for ya? Not well. Didn't think so.