Hof am I supposed to charge my phone now?
Cheer me up /g/, I need a tech-gore thread
>turn of the fuse
Why? I could just use that fork, no?
Jokes apart, the other side fell off and it's wet inside. How the fuck can this happen?
That's only 110 right? Just pull it out with a pair of rubber grip pliers. Or ordinary pliers wrapped in electrical tape. Or even on most hard floors, you can get away with just your bare hands and some slight tingling (Note: I really don't recommend this, even though I've done it before.) Even standing on a rubber door mat if you want to be paranoid.
Also, the fact the casing cracked like that points to bad juju - brittle, brown plastic = overheating and possible fire risk. It's probably for the best it died now.
I know a Norwegian, all that Aquavit is making you have delusions of grandeur.
Not enough sunlight is making you lot think paying through the nose for food that doesn't taste of frozen ass makes you superior or something, also, Aquavit is fucking vile and you fuckers should be ashamed of it.
Living is basel is awesome sometimes, can shop in cheapass germany or fancy france for nice food.
Furthermore, everyone else in the Nordic countries thinks you're all weirdos who fuck reindeer for something to do.
I'm actually not Norwegian, just wanted to make the stupid joke since Norway has overtaken Switzerland in HDI and stuff
But it indeed is amazing how you can live in a rich country and abuse cheap Germans for your stuff, I basically do the same
Actually the raw amount of money may be higher in norway, but the purchasing power is higher in Switzerland because of Germany / Austria / Italy and France being so accessible for everywhere in the country.
Eh, even 220 should be ok as long as you aren't grounded. Flipping the breaker is the safest option though, but if that's not an option, rubber doormat or similar (lid from a storage box, etc etc) or stand on a (wooden) chair. Or a chair ON a plastic mat. Whatever. Key point is to stick as much resistance between you and any potential grounds as possible.
Honestly though, you can probably just do it in some decent rubber soled shoes. In my case, I work with HV regularly (where I'd never even dream of touching it without a breaker), and have some /very/ well insulated work boots that are perfect for the job.
It's definitely worth pointing out, if you didn't know, and for those in the thread that aren't swiss, that that is the Phase line. The left is Neutral, bottom is Ground. If this was the ground (or even the neutral) we wouldn't even need to have this discussion.
>It's definitely worth pointing out, if you didn't know, and for those in the thread that aren't swiss, that that is the Phase line. The left is Neutral, bottom is Ground. If this was the ground (or even the neutral) we wouldn't even need to have this discussion.
I thought they'd both have 220 on it. In any case, you can't know what the phase or the neutral is, might as well be flipped because of stupid installation.
Nada, the Neutral does carry a current, but should be at the same potential as ground, or at least very close. This is mostly for safety reasons, but is also just a side effect of how the circuit is designed. The "hot"/"phase"/"live" whatever is where all the voltage magic really happens.
The problem is if you have a fault somewhere else down the neutral line, it can then end up also running at line voltage. On older devices, the neutral was treated as a ground connection, which needless to say had the potential for all kinds of horrible shit.
This is why we moved toward three pin plugs - it forces polarity on the connected devices, and it gives a separate guaranteed ground path for anything exposed and conducting.
>I thought they'd both have 220
First of all, euro is 230V.
Second of all, you need neutral to have potential difference.
+230 and +230 is just 0V, unless the phase is different, which would be retarded.
I'm not Norwegian, it was a joke but I think the butter shortage is fixed.
I thought there was also countersmuggeling with people smuggling subsidized diapers to Poopland and the Baltics.
>his wiring standards don't mandate per-plug switching
British, Australian and Kiwi are the masterrace.
>I thought that was the case.
No most of Europe uses a neutral wire and a 230Vrms line. Yes this means you're safe to touch one of the wires but schuko doesn't define which one is neutral.
>every socket has earth
Bow down to us, Euro and Ameriscum.
The phase difference is between Voltage/Current, and is just a side effect of physics.
I was under the impression that the 3 pin schukos were defined, but a quick refresher seems to say otherwise. My mistake.
They are large, partly for safety, partly for easy grip, partly because higher voltage, but mostly because they have an inline fuse.
They also fit into sockets much more snugly than american plugs tend to, and they're also at 90deg to the wall so they sit in tighter, which is something I really miss.
This is also a curse because they're worse than lego bricks for standing on in the dark, because they LIKE to lie on their back pins up. (Source: Ex-pat, now in Canada.)
>can only fit one way
If we could have plugs that could go in both ways and still enforce polarization, then that would be fucking fantastic
Actually the swiss ones are perfect
That's a thing of beauty. While nothing is plugged into it anyway. After that it's just going to be a clusterfuck.
How do you do wall-warts? Do they just have really long extensions?
>comes in straight and 90° plugs
>fits either way
>ground at two sides
>fits other sockets
>implying the sad truth isn't that most of my sockets look like this anyway and I can use only one
The Swedes sent butter aid to them for free.
Mostly safety, partly interference issues - see some of the earlier comments in this thread re. neutral / ground behaviour. It's a (simple to implement) second layer of protection if nothing else.
If you have two devices on the same line that are connected oppositely, there's inevitably going to be a level of interferences, whether through odd ground loops, bad wiring, phase interference, whatever. It just opens up a whole can of worms that's simple (plug it in the right way up!) to avoid.
There's also a higher chance that badly wired or poor quality products will end up leaving the neutral wire at odd voltages, which increases the risk of fires, accidental injuries, etc etc etc.
Basically, there's no good reason NOT to use polarity apart from laziness.
British Standard 1363 reporting in
>also the most painful thing you will ever step on
there are these adapters which make plugging in adapters possible
Do the netherlands use split perimiter wiring (like the UK) or the US style "run it all back to the box and let the panel sort it out"?
Polarity is a bigger issue in split perimeter because it (generally) affects a much larger circuit.
It matters quite a bit on older devices where the chassis ground was connected to the neutral. You plug that in backwards, and, well. Yeah.
Granted, you're not likely to see that outside of anything made pre 2000, or on the cheap in china.
>It matters quite a bit on older devices where the chassis ground was connected to the neutral.
That will never pass CE checks. Ever
Lamps have guidelines to wire them correctly, and have nothing to do with schuko.
>Sure it stings
You grazed it, not touched it.
As someone who held a cheappass lamp by it's base while the switch was on(pic related a little the switch was put on the wire seperately and was meant to be operated)
It doesn't sting. You go completely blank.
Remember that we also have the french variety of schuko. And it's mostly compatible with normal schuko.
Too large with no significant advantages over Schuko.
Modern circuit breakers are way faster than the fuses installed in the plugs and I don't see polarization as much of an issue.
>tfw I'm not from Continental Europe
I guess a 5 hour drive and Ferry means I'm in Dublin, but it's Dublin
>That will never pass CE checks. Ever
>Because things that don't pass CE checks never make it into houses via chinaman
>Because people don't do their own home wiring.
>Because people don't splice plugs on their own with aluminum tape and spit.
Yes, you're right, in an ideal world none of this shit would matter. But if you're designing a standard for something as fundamental as this, you NEED to take into account the worst case retards because they exist and you can't escape them. And even then, I'd argue that enforcing polarity takes no effort and still brings a handful of benefits in terms of consistency and interference issues - not something important to home users, but in the case of anything using say, recording equipment, or even milking machinery (no seriously, look it up) it can make a difference. I can only see it becoming more important as we get more and more shit running at higher frequencies that start encountering this kind of noise.
I laid my entire forearm over a PSU PCB that I thought was disconnected from the mains. It felt like being kicked by a brick wall. The bit the suprised me was the adrenaline after surge, I actually had to sit down for a few moments while everything slowed back down again.
you know 3/4 of the arguments count for britbong plugs as well
that's why we have fucking regulations.
people stick metal shit in contacts, should we also protect those? because fuck those protectors
I seriously want to know what people are plugging and unplugging so often that this is an issue.
I mean, I get it for something like uUSB or any other plug that is in and out with any regularity. But 95% of things plugged into my wall have been there for weeks, or even months.
Original content do not steal
The caps in my 2560x1440 monitor's power supply broke. I had a first-gen so it was like 2.5-3.5 years ago or something stupid like that.
Erm, I was a bit vague there, the power supply broke Friday before last. I just got around to ordering the new power supply last week. The monitor is years old. Still beautiful, when it's, you know, on.
Yeah, but you already have the things on the side for that. So it's only compatible with old French plugs because the horn blocks everything else, but still has both kinds of ground in it. I don't get it. Unless the horn reclines when you insert a German plug or something.
There's a hole in every Schuko plug for exactly that purpose though
Oh, so you cant plug in these kinds at all?
>go in and enforce polarization
All it would need to be is 180 degrees rotational symmetric. The five pips side of a six-sided die, with one set of opposite corners indented, would work.
move aside European fags America coming in. Edison plug master race.
Pic related its me fuckin ur mums.
all your European plugs suck compared to the Edison
>you NEED to take into account the worst case retards
Which is what fuses/breakers are for.
Only in Britain did they skimp on this fundamental safety mechanism, so they have to put all sorts of extra safety features into every socket and plug instead.
there are Halloween costumes based on the Edison.
You just made me unplug everything to check if I had anything without the hole, but apparently not. I do remember seeing them around occasionally when I was a kid, though, but they must have been phased out. I guess we surrendered to the French this time.
try doing this with European plugs
How are you typing this if u unplugged everything?
>This is also a curse because they're worse than lego bricks for standing on in the dark, because they LIKE to lie on their back pins up.
This is a pain the rest of the world will never have to endure, lucky, lucky bastards.
Because they're easy to lose and they take up an outlet, just to charge a device. Maybe I don't want to have to unplug something just to plug in the brick. All I would do is plus in my USB cable and I wouldn't have to worry about it.
Put an antistatic wrist clip on, stick a paperclip in the neutral socket hole and bring your finger slowly towards the paperclip before touching it. You won't get badly shocked because you're earthed but you should see a small, harmless spark if your wiring is incorrect.
Still better than these things that block at least one or two other plugs.
That's retarded though, you'd still have to have a USB cable on you if you wanted to plug it in somewhere else, or just have USB cables noodling out of all your wall sockets like some filthy barbarian.
Just get a USB hub and manage your life properly.
This reminds me of something that irked me to no end with my parents.
>Dad uses a converter to avoid having to plug in the ground pin so he can use ancient extension cord which has no ground plug
>mfw the grounding pin just dangles in the air
I bet you European effects don't even have outlets like that so the back of your devices.
I would be carrying a USB cable with me for multiple reasons. To me, it's easier to just carry the one less thing. Or course, I'm talking about this just being in my home anyways, where I'll have a USB cable readily available. It just makes more sense to me to not accidentally lose a charging brick and then worry about finding one with the right specs to spend a shit ton on. I'd rather spend a decent amount of money on three or four of these, and switching my cable around when I need to.
How often do you actually lose charging bricks? I lose USB cables far more often, somehow.
Also, I don't know how short your phones life must be if you need to charge it in every room. Most people I know, even an Android developer, has one or two high-power chargers, and then one in their car. That's mostly for the tablets, the phones he'll just charge anywhere.
I don't very often, but the people I live with do A LOT. For some reason I always think of others when trying to also make things easier for myself. I have no clue why, it would just be easier to do the things I want to do and not worry about them, but I can never just think of myself. So all of these wall plated wouldn't really be for me, but I'd most likely use all of them on certain occasions. The one that would get used the most would be the one in my bedroom obviously, but it would be nice to have one in my kitchen, by the couch, and beside my computer for obvious reasons. It just seems convenient to me and worth the initial investment. I've really got not problem moving the brick from one outlet to another, but it would really be nice to just have the port there to begin with.
Anon, the socket didn't break, the Europlug did.
Also, it's one of the sockets close to the following master race standard:
There is no better standard for household sockets anywhere. It's made for current manufacturing techniques, doesn't waste materials, is very stable and safe... basically perfect until we step beyond the current plastics and metals.
Like I said, 4chan operates out of the US. Why should they host in another country when they are based in the United States? You're just begging for an increase in site downtime, aren't you?
I've had multiple of these. I think there are multiple manufacturers making them - and mostly they are pretty crappy. I initially thought I had something defective, but I wouldn't buy them again after I noticed the problem is pretty systematic. They're barely good enough to charge some battery with tons of heat and losses.
A bunch of better ones are tested here, too:
I've mostly got some Ioncell, Xiaomi, HTC (all original - there are fakes of them all, too) and a bunch of other devices to get from household power to USB 5V now, and these just work better.
this guy has a point.
this practical solution includes a new point of failure: the USB port is maybe soon obsolete because of USB type C (imagine 20 years from now: having 20 year old old wallplugs isn't that uncommon I'd say. Especially when the cost to install was high or higher as usual as in this case). Or imagine having the adapter break down: you'd have to change the whole wall adapter. Also the quick charging of newer phones will probably not work (Samsung used proprietary standards in it's Note series for example, with 1800 mA of charging power).
>Incredibly fucking enormous, hugely spaced pins
>Bizarre shapes that make wallwarts impossible without blocking other ports without adapters
>Incredibly space inefficient
>B-BUT M-MUH 220V! M-MUH S-SUPERIOR STRENGTH!
How about you not be a fucking 2 year old and learn to not fuck up pins?
Dude, Europlugs are small as fuck.
Bong who lived in the US for 5 years
The plug on my vacuum cleaner and just about everyone I know looked like this
Sure, I know that their small size comes at a cost
But if you REALLY need to charge your phone everywhere, it's pretty much the only option
I only charge my phone via PC USB, I don't use these things.
That's about twice as wide as the comparable US plug.
How can you possibly do this without either stepping on it or using excessive force? I don't think it's a problem with the design. Those little plastic bits on the Europlugs would just snap off if you did whatever you did to your vacuum cleaner.
>Those little plastic bits on the Europlugs would just snap off if you did whatever you did to your vacuum cleaner.
Your vacuum cleaner wouldn't use an Europlug. They would use Schuko. Also, what plastic bits?
I doubt you'd be able to break one of pic related with normal use.
First, that's some cheap chink shit.
Second, bigger devices (such as vacuum cleaners) would use pic related as plug (at least where I live), and those are pretty solid and sit tightly in the socket.
Manufacturers testing the durability of their device. Everything is covered by a two year warranty, so it's in their best interest to not have things break. Also, it depends on whether the thing you plug in is supposed to be grounded or not.
Grounded or not mostly.
Computer (screens), tv's, laptops, vacuums, hair dryers, grinders, sanders, building lights, coffee machines, washing machines ect. use the big ones.
The low powered machines use the smallers one (mobile device chargers, sound systems, desk lights, fans, ect.)
American here. Can confirm this happens to literally every vaccum you find here. Fairly certain it is because there is nothing for the plug to brace itself against when pulled sideways besides the prongs.
Makes sense. I wonder why US vacuum cleaners aren't grounded, now that you mention it. Maybe it's because grounded plugs aren't always available. Is every plug in Europe grounded? We use grounds for most computers, some displays, and power tools but not for things like hair dryers or vacuum cleaners. Washing machines use 240 volts and a special plug.
There is a in-between plug here for vacuums. It is big, but it hasn't got the earth.
Apple warranty is literally the fucking worst, having to go to the apple store only to get told by a bunch of hipsters sitting around that I need to make an appointment
take the 45 minute drive home, go online make an appointment for a week in advance because they had nothing sooner.
Week goes by, go in to try and get my warranty to cover the glass on my iphone that broke. Get told "oh it'll be 80 dollars to use your warranty to replace the phone" fuck that I'd rather just put 80 dollars into a new phone and plan at that rate. The entire time I was there they were trying to sell me everything. They wanted to charge me 20 dollars to back up my photos and contacts to the apple cloud because I didn't already, the phone isn't broken just the glass, I need the glass fixed not a new phone.
Apparently "apple warranty" only covers the phone when its completely fucking fucked and any attempt to claim a warranty results in trying to get a new phone replaced.
Then they tried to sell me fucking phone covers and extended warranty plans despite already having a 2 years left on my warranty.
fuck apple I should have just gotten my warranty through verizon.
You don't need to do this, the outlets are AC, meaning the only way to get shocked is to touch the negative and positive terminals.
just get a pair of pliers and rip the one prong out, you won't get shocked.
no reason really, its just something they all do regardless
I have a coffee maker from 10 years ago that does have a ground but I have one from a few years ago from the same company (different model) that doesn't have a ground for some reason.
Exactly. Why doesn't everyone use these.
>Maybe it's because grounded plugs aren't always available. Is every plug in Europe grounded?
Do you mean every socket? I think at least in my country, every new/freshly renovated house is required to use grounded sockets only, but there are still some older houses with ungrounded ones. Note that you can plug in a grounded plug into an ungrounded socket, (but not vice versa), so grounded plugs can always be plugged in.
there are 3 fucking prongs, AC in and AC out, then the ground
his fucking prong is stuck in one, you don't have to turn off the electricity, just don't touch any other prong and remove the one stuck in the right side.
holy shit when this happens in america, I don't need to unplug or shut off anything I can just not touch anything else and remove that one fucking prong.
its not rocket science its basic electrical circuitry
its my house I do what i want
or do you not have that freedom in europoorland? do the house police come by and tell you you need a house shoe license or something? because you need a TV license in britain to use a TV responsibly.
made some smoke there matey boy
>tfw living in a cheap rental apartment where they didn't even bother putting the sockets properly in the wall
>tfw cant put stuff next to the wall because of these fuckers being everywhere
Nah, it's good.
>television wastes power in standby
>don't want to plug it out every night
>just use the switch
Also means the plugs don't get damaged from arcing, because the arcing happens in the switch which is designed to handle it better.
And, of course, in OPs situation you can just switch it off and it is safe to touch with your hands. (or if kids get knives into the sockets, etc)
I've never had an AC outlet damaged because of arching when plugging something in, they're designed to take that every time you plug something in. Arching is just the voltage being high enough to conduct through the air to another node when they come close enough.
>Arching is just the voltage being high enough to conduct through the air to another node when they come close enough.
The sparks happen because of initial contact.
The surface area that's touching has a high resistance relative to the device it's supposed to be powering causing it to heat up nearly instantly.
>inevitably breaks down
I've got sockets on the wall that are as old as the house. We build them tough.
The only reason I've got new ones is that we needed more.
Also, with some devices (particularly pre-environmental standards) the savings can be significant.
right but its not exothermically expanding enough or fast enough to create any sort of fragmenting hazard. If anything if the resistance of copper were high enough to cause such a thing such as fire, building inspectors probably wouldn't use them nor would the electrical unions use them. In general American AC outlet plugs are replaced once every 15-30 years.
Do you plug something out whenever you want to turn it 'off off'? Seems harder than it needs to be.
Doesn't cost me any extra having the switch, isn't any harder for the sparky to install.
We had one accident like that in a nordic country which I prefer not to say, but aanyway the camper trailer that one person had did contain this kind of setup that the neutral wire was grounded to the camping trailers chassis and whenever you put the power for the trailer from ac source, the chassis was either "grounded" or contained 230V of AC so it was 50/50 chances every time you plugged it in. SO, one nice day the owner and his family was on vacation and it had rained in the night. Well the owners kid woke up first and went out. The ground was wet and he was bare foot leaning on the camper trailer and he got killed by 230V running through his body so yes, as a user of Schuko, I think that the plug is shit. Goodnight.
>I prefer British and American sockets to European standard. Anglo is the masterrace
> Larger footprint = more stability
In general, yes. But it's a hex socket for a reason, it has decent mechanical stability in the right directions and will generally unplug and not break under stronger forces.
Basically, Schuko isn't all that much more stable for being so huge.
> a long cable with a Schuko plug at the end can be used as a weapon if you're desperate
Well, yea... not sure if that is an useful feature, though.