Why do you fags hate Ubuntu?
I have a hard time believing some of you actually believe you aren't hipsters.
Because according to RMS, Ubuntu doesn't respect your privacy and uses your data to give you ads.
... And, that's it. I guess the only other reason people hate is because of it's popularity, and everyone here needs to find some obscure alternative.
I installed Xubuntu onto my thinkpad. I have no idea what I'm doing after switching from Windows. Should I use lubuntu instead or do they have similar system usage?
also how do you learn what the fuck to do with the terminal? I just use the software center for programs, but I think I'm handicapping myself. Or is there really no point for the average consumer to learn it?
Well apt-get is a pile of shit so they have to work around it without actually replacing it. You know your package manager sucks when there are a bunch of actively maintained wrappers and frontends that completely change the interface.
>Better than Debian
>So we took Debian, slapped on what's basically a Frankensteined monstrosity of KDE and Gnome as a DE, and included spyware to authenticate the windows experience.
Ubuntu is by far the most popular Linux distro and it's community and online support are the best. If you're a beginner you should definitely start with Ubuntu. Decide for yourself whether or not you need a more 'lightweight' DE after you've actually tried Unity.
If you're a ricer you can do a minimal install, follow some articles in the arch wiki or the ubuntu forums and get your archbuntu with better hardware support, nice font rendering out of the box, X autoconfiguration and all without the Arch headaches.
The only thing I miss of arch in Ubuntu is systemd
Because Unity is the worst idea they've ever had.
Never mandatorily force someone to waste horizontal real estate on their monitors.
I tried to install other window managers and Unity refused to back down and started fighting with whatever I installed for dominance.
>Whose settings did you want to use?
>Too bad, you're on power-saver FOREVER now
>inb4 b-but that was in the past anon!!
Merchant once, merchant forever.
Unity is great for me, just disable online search and set the side buttons on my mouse to trigger expose and workspaces switcher plus HUD is awesome for thing like using Lyx.
Of course if the only thing you do is ricing go for Arch.
I disagree. The software center hides a lot of information and is much slower than apt-get, and it's a pain to add repos, autoremove packages, and so on. If you just want to install Canonical-approved software it's fine, but you may as well get an iPad in that case.
You need apt-get for any real power. Synaptic is pretty cool, too, though slower than the terminal.
I don't hate it but I don't use untity either.
To me it is all what was wrong with gnome and nothing really great.
I like the splash screen where you see hotkeys if you hold super but other than that I think it is a hassle to use.
Hiding it is a terrible solution. I use the top-left to home my mouse, when it's not in a good spot on my mouse pad. The hot-corner will open when I do this. This can be turned off.
Also, when I actually DO want to hit the buttons on the unity bar, they're not somewhere accessible when I want them. I have to move the mouse more than usual and HOPE that it understand that I'm trying to reveal the bar. While Unity tries to figure this out, I have to wait to push a button.
If it weren't for the fact that I can do most of what I do from tty1-6, I wouldn't bother installing Ubuntu ever.
I don't hate Ubuntu.
I just personally feel like I'm cheating myself using it. I'm smart enough to use Gentoo so use fucking Gentoo is my logic.
Before that it was Arch for years.
I bit the Gentoo meme for fun/challenge and once I figured it out I could never go back to Arch.
I use live distros for quick/various "other" tasks on the other hand.
I have no need for Ubuntu though. I understand people would use it out of easy-mode, lack of understanding. That's fine if you're okay with it. I'm just not for myself personally.
To each their own.
Meme distro wins for me.
I think you overestimate how often users who don't know what software is installs software. The synaptic were great but it displayed too much information and didn't give you suggestions so the demographic didn't like it. It's a shame because it was a good alternative to aptitude.
>home folder on desktop right next to the home folder launcher
You're a fucking moron if you don't think so as well.
Making an easy to use distro is one thing, but Canny is making ubongo a giant fucking tumor.
That being said if you want debian install debian, if you want just werkz install Mint.
Exactly. Ubuntu is a great operating system for those who just want an operating system. Arch is for those who are interested in what makes the operating system work. And LFS is for masochists who want to abuse themselves by building an operating system from the ground up.
#! isn't being developed. That's not a major problem because the packages almost all come from normal Debian repos, but they might not have perfect compatibility in the future.
I really love #!. Such a shame OpenBox gets screen tearing on my laptop.
Whatever the fuck that means. I ran XFCE + AWN for quite awhile on my main system. It was fine, but I don't notice any performance difference on my Unity 7 (14.04.2 LTS) system.
Chances are you're going to be installing the Gnome and KDE libraries anyway to get all the best Linux applications working.
No, his point was that Crunchbang is literally just Debian + some config files for rice, and you can in fact get the exact same experience by copying and pasting those configs to a normal debian install
I believe Unity itself is slow and bloated. So many animations and so much transparency and nonsense that just slows down old machines.
You wouldn't notice any performance difference on a good machine, but on an old one you would.
There's only one #! dev, I believe. He just got tired of it and thinks it isn't a terribly interesting distro since it's just a pre-riced OpenBox.
But it's a very good pre-riced OpenBox, so I like it.
because I want to pirate windows video games and not have it take me fucking 6 hours for me to get it to run correctly.
I don't remember what I did. I do know that I was able to fix it in videos by using smplayer and going to options -> preferences -> general -> video -> output driver -> gl (fast).
I don't remember the fix, though. I think it involved updating my drivers to a more recent version than is in the repos.
The only thing that has ever not worked for me in mint is back in like mint 14 days, the screen brightness on startup was all the way dark. Easily fixed in a config file by simply changing a number, and the built in backup tool doesn't work for shit. And the brightness thing was fixed in mint 16. Other than that I have found mint to be much more useful than ubuntu. Though they are basically the same thing anyways. Call mint bloated, but it comes with better and useful prepackaged packages.
"Hate" isn't really accurate, he just recognizes it as not fully free under his definitions.
He'd still probably trade anything for the majority of people to use something like Debian rather than Windows.
Just speaking from my experience.
I can install ubuntu and everything will work right out of the box -- printers, scanners, network adapters, etc.
Mint requires tinkering to get shit running.
>Have you ever been able to get wayland working?
Yes. Was very easy
>Have you ever try Mir?
Mir doesn't exists.
>Now, tell me why you love wayland and hate Mir?
Is not X
Is very easy to get working with KMS compatible drivers
Is a compositor, so there is not tearing
Doesn't include the old as fuck shit of X
Is not X.
The inherent problem with all Linux distros is that LibreOffice has very poor document and printing support. I want to use Ubuntu as my main, it is very polished has better visual quality than Windows, but it is ironically crippled by its own philosophy.
Fair enough. I don't particularly agree with him on Debian and similar cases either.
His complaints about them hosting the proprietary software repos on their main servers is pretty autistic and sounds like a kid complaining that his food is touching on his plate.
And the fact that Debian will recommend installing proprietary blobs in order to get your shit running on a new install is basically a requirement for a painless install. At least until hardware specifically for desktop linux starts being made frequently, which will probably be never.
He answers everything so there's no reason not to. He doesn't really strike me as an "all or nothing" kind of guy though considering he's used hardware with proprietary code before because there's no real alternative.
>poor document and printing support
And eats documents.
The fucker destroyed a presentation I was working, and every time I tried to fix in libreoffice, insisted on eat my progress.
Yes, but you can also just get a different distro and not keep telling distro managers it's OK to do that shit by contributing to their statistics of users.
Not all, but a fair portion of Linux users use it for idealistic or philosophical reasons in the first place anyway. Do you really expect them to just not care that the defaults are bad, as long as they can personally turn it off, and use their software anyway?
The problem is always in this cases the fuckers who whine are the ones who actually DOESN'T use the intended product.
CRUXfags, ricerfags, suckless fags cried because systemd, and they don't use it or use any software that depends of it.
Archfags and other linux distros users cries because Ubuntu display Amazon queries doing in a Canonical server.
They fell they privacy/choice invaded when they aren't even affected.
Mint is also really good, you should try it.
im using W10 and Mint 17.1 right now
What's your point?
Of course all the complaining is going to come from people who don't use ubuntu, because we are free to switch Linux distros at any time. Why the hell would someone use a distro that constantly makes them complain?
OP's question wasn't directed at "Ubuntu users", it was directed at "Linux users" and why they don't like Ubuntu.
But the FOSS community is affected. It hurts the goal that many of these people try to fight for. Ubuntu especially was the biggest distro around, and a lot of people were proud of its success, so they were understandably pissed when they decide to bundle adware in with their OS.
As a mint user on 1Gen X1 Carbon here is a list of what does not work:
1. Wireless capped at 50 megabit (with tinkering) blame drivers
2. Mint network manager cannot connect to 802.11x (RADIUS) wifi, blaming UI.
3. Login with fingerprint-gui from logged out state (not locked) does not work (error password incorrect) blame fingerprint-gui (incompatible). Can be fixed by installing lightdm or other compatible login managers.
4. Retarded file manager does not have file previews like pic related.
But that's not what this thread is about.
It's about why Linux users here don't like Ubuntu.
If we were judging ubuntu against some completely unfair standard then fine, what you say makes sense.
But we are simply comparing ubuntu to the standards of other Linux distros as Linux users, just as we would judge any other Linux distro.
If Ubuntu has _different_ goals, which requires them to need to make more money by selling your private data, then you can't blame _Linux users_ for disliking those differences
Every other Gnu/Linux distro does not have this problem.
Also I bet you think μtorrent was justified in installing a bitcoin miner in an update even though it's already filled with adware.
Dolphin file manager does have it so IDK. Is it like impossible to program or something?!
Started using ubuntu around 2008, then unity appeared. Fiddled with it for a few days, felt like shoving a cactus up my ass. Fuck it, tried Mint Xfce and everything felt normal again. Never looked back.
A problem with GTK.
There's a patch for it https://gist.github.com/ahodesuka/01213036b58e510dc074
There are certain areas where Linux distros are a lot more similar than they are different.
Not selling search information users make on their private filesystem is one of those things.
Ubuntu is definitely an outlier in that regard
>For the average human being
Complete bullshit. Millions and millions of young men use computers for far more than facebook machines, and you'll need to learn to use the terminal if you want to use any linux distro beyond the most extremely mundane of uses.
Trying 15.04 on a vm and doesn't seem so bad. There's still this weird thing going I remember happening on 14.04 as well, whenever you open a menú firefox skips down a little and stays like that until you restart it.
Anyone have a clue? Happens on different machines as well...
how the fuck so? Most people only need their computer to: check email, browse internet, go on youtube, use an office suite, and watch videos and movies, which is now the same thing as browsing the internet/youtube thanks to netflix and what not. You don't need to be able to use a terminal to do that.
a lot of useless shit at default. i prefer to install minimal sid netinst+download packages i need, not install system and then remove tons of useless things.
Not like i hate it, i just wouldn't choose it.