You forgot to mention OP to evade DMCA takedown notices and nagging emails to cease and desist from torrenting popular Hollywood movies. Dealing with people that leech. Torrents that don't have a seed. Etc. Etc. Just saying. It's not like some zero day compromised server with direct download links.
>>47588435 This isn't really an issue with private trackers and may be even less so depending on the country you live in.
I like using Gazelle based private trackers since not only are their UI's really easy to use but you can easily set up notifications to tell you if there's a new upload with any directors/actors you like. It's great for TV series as well since I don't actually have to keep track of their air-dates and stuff.
Torrents nowadays have becomes so ridiculously convenient that it's hard to make an argument to switch back.
>>47588338 no actually it's used correctly in this case. women can't afford to buy movies because they're busy taking care of the kids. the husband has to spend his money, so he is buying his movies and software
actually, even in the case of pirating saying "he" would be the correct pronoun. since a woman has no time to learn the intricacies of technology, the man has to go through the process of pirating and downloading the movie and/or software. he probably learned how to use a computer at his job, but even if not he has the higher analytical brain functions to learn his way through the steps. the woman might be able to do so if the man creates a step by step manual walking her through it, something akin to a cookbook.
>>47589300 >I've been pirating so long I didn't know this shit was even happening This but infact I never bought ANY movie, just Rambo trilogy + the 4th one on Bluray from eBay which I bought only because I liked it, I never opened it
>>47589465 I have it pirated (in fact there are 2 versions of Rambo mastering, I pirated both to choose which to buy), I buy games and movies I like from ebay after 4-5 years of their release on very low price because I like retail media (I never open them, I leave them mint)
>>47588390 There are actual real people who not trolling will think they are doing an adult, or responsible or grown up thing because it fits into a generalized stereotype for how to handle something, and just say this to feel better.
As an example if I mention a video game related news story to someone who is interested in politics news "I dont follow that, I follow grown up news" can be a response Ive actually had before.
Well that's nice you have to even justify why youd be interested in something without just following what interests you...
I only pay for movies at the theaters with friends. We make a big deal out of it and get VIP seats in the top box with waitresses and shit. Software is a different story, I'll pirate if there are 500 programs that do the same thing and they're all shit, but I'll gladly try to pay for the niche ones nobody else seems to be able to do competently.
Either way, I don't really care what you or I do, who gives a fuck?
>Open browser >Look for X fucking movie >Check on TPB >...Shit, it was taken by the FBI >Oh well, look for it for a while >Spend minutes looking for a torrent with decent seeders >Click on download, spend the next minutes/hours waiting >Cool, its done >...its on fucking CAM quality >Delete it, spend more minutes looking for the same movie with decent quality, and spend more minutes/hours til its done >...This one isnt even the right movie >Delete it again, keep looking >Finds one with good comments, however, almost no seeders >Click on download, fucking pray to find more seeders >This shit took hours, but i finally got to download it >Decent quality, cool, lets watch it >Watch it >Movie was shit >Delete and keep being a fucking jew piece of shit
Not neckbeard (AKA someone who has a job) way
>Open browser >Go on netflix, find movie >Watch the movie
>>47592643 What the fuck are you on about? >Want Tron >Check TPB >It's back up as usual >Pick Blu-ray rip >Wait an hour for it to download >Watch it with no ads, no money exchanged >Pretty good movie
Pleb way >Want Tron >It's $17.99 to 'own' it on Amazon Prime, even though the fucking blu ray is $15 >Well, let's check netflix >It's not there >Alright, bite the bullet, buy movie on Amazon >You need silverlight :^) >Switch to flash >Random quality drops >Stutters as it buffers >Fullscreen flash rapes my memory >Finally get through movie >It didn't even look that good
>>47592643 >want to watch movie >find it on some private tracker >decent amount of seeds as always, they're usually fast too >start downloading >50MB/s >1080p nice quality done in like 5m, none of that Netflix low bitrate crap
>>47599114 >buying things is also the morally correct choice the burden of proof is entirely on you for this statement. Keep in mind this discussion is solely about digital media, no apples or cars analogies.
>>47588283 I pirate films, but not software (with the exception being FL Studio), simply because most of the software I use is freely available. >>47588332 Except that in your friends case, the original is untouched
this is specially true for my animus, they don't even plan on marketing them in my country
even worse, groups of consumerist idiots take the initiative and try to prove my country is a good market for them, they just want to pay the company for what they already have and still those greedy nips wont let them
There's no actual "lost revenue", it's only what those companies think they wouldve earned if everyone was forced to buy their stuff
>>47588332 Are you forced to the food by your friend? Do you pay him if you actually liked it?
You know what? If a 'friend' tells me in the best ways he has the best weed and I should come over, I'll do. Bit before I can try it I need to pay 3 month wort of consumption. Shit, his advertising was good, I'll pay. Turns out it's meh, tells me it's because of.my pipe, sells me a new one for 20, still meh, it's my lighter (new one 20), still meh. "ok anon, but shill, there is new stuff, weed 2015, it looks way better it's purpler! I get the shipping in 6 months, but trust me it's worthwhile and you should get the new pipe and lighter now infront! Only double the price! "
You know what? A.good dealer let's me smoke one and then ask how much I want.
while I agree on the dvd's you can buy in a store watching something on netflix is not that bad. It is actually better for old stuff. My hope is that netflix will get more content if more people pay them. The price of netflix is less than what a movie used to cost so I think it is an overall win.
In many cases piracy is far more convenient than buying an actual something. Sometimes even if you buy it, you buy it with DRM, which sucks.
I think that piracy is a symptom of industries (esp. music) not catching up with the digital age, and trying to keep digital media like physical media, which causes inconvenience for the user, which in turn makes them pirate things. A significant group of pirates do so because not pirating things is inconvenient.
Either way I'm a dirty pirate who doesn't give a fuck, and I pirate things because I don't want to pay.
>>47599381 Arsenic and gamma radiation also is natural. Yeah, you can share goods who belong to you, but a movie or a song doesn't belong to you. What belongs to you it's the right to listen it, not his posession.
>>47599314 My posture is I pirate because I feel like it. I don't care whether it is right or wrong. Tripfag was the one to bring up morality as though it were some trump card to slam on the table and awe the spectators. If he is going to blab about morality then he should have no problem explaining why it is moral.
>>47599532 immoral is the wrong word. But it is suboptimal and it would be bad to let it become the main way of consuming media. Because you are letting a company control you. They can take it away if they choose. Right now it may seem inconceivable that they would do something like that but who knows in the future.
We all let companies control us to a certain extent (bank accounts and such) but it should be minimized.
I'm just addressing the inevitable. No matter what I'd say, he'd say "But no because.."
Even if I presented damning evidence for my case (which isn't necessarily possible since morality is more philosophical), he'd have a problem with it, and that's because he's a piratefag. He's been molded by that life to believe in a certain set of principles.
>>47599820 Because you say so? He simply states that limiting knowdegle is inmoral, but he doesn't, in my opinion, develop a satisficing explanation for that position. How "software" is knowdegle? How do you ignore the cases when having knowdegle can be dangerous? Why piracy can't be the right answer to that "inmorality"? The last question usually is the core of my doubts, because appears to endorse the right of individuals or companies to don't share the means of making an implementation of a software solution. >>47599824 No, that's isn't the meaning of "audience" here. You whole extended family can count for audience, and even that can be argued. Usually, audience also means that you will get some profit, directly or indirectly of the screening.
>>47599114 No, the morally correct choice is not being a idiot and not contributing with an industry that does pretty much only harm to both costumers and the actual producers. And also to not be a fool and think that you are obligated to pay for something you don't even know if you are going to like just because that industry told you so. 8)
>>47599926 (not the same guy) Idk if you have read his stuff well or just some wikipedia summarization of it and formed a shallow opinion of it all, but here go my own thoughts:
The main thing (about closed source) for me is that you have the right to know what exactly is running in your computer (and compile it from source to make sure it is that thing for real) if you want to do so. You have no way to tell what proprietary software is actually doing or how it's spying on you, etc (and a lot of them really are). That's kinda immoral for me.
On the knowledge bit for the sake of knowledge (learning, etc), I just think it's way better if you can have access to that, but not exactly immoral if you don't.
And about DRM, once you buy something you should have the right to do with it whatever you want (yeah, not exactly whatever, but a lot of stuff). Like, if you buy shoes and regret/don't like them anymore, you can give them to a friend, or sell them to him. If you move or are travelling to another country, you can take your shoes with you. If you wanna lend it to a friend that wants to try them first to see if they are confortable, you can as well. DRM prevents all kinds of stuff related to this. Also DRM doesn't actually do shit for the producer, it's just a way for the distributor to try forcing you on wasting more money (that makes no sense as well).
That being said, on Netflix you are not buying a movie, you are basically paying for a service that lets you watch the stuff, it's a service subscription, I don't think there's anything wrong with that specifically.
>>47599883 >Software situation: >Your friend's software is there. >You get it for you. >Your friend still have his software and now so do you. You buy software. Friend copies it. Friend uses saved money on hookers and blow. You effectively paid for his hookers and blow.
>>47602247 It's like those people that order some meal with free fries, but don't want the fries, but won't give them to anyone cause "I'm not gonna pay for anyone's fries". I'll never understand this shit.
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