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Any thoughts on this guy's ideas? I started watching some of his lectures on youtube and being the fedora that I am I find his theories about behavioural truth that appear in stories and myths as well as his arguments about alternate truths depending on your pre suppositions to be very interesting.

This is a very long one but I find this a good "summary" of his views: https://youtu.be/07Ys4tQPRis
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>>2099728
I got nothin to do. I'll watch it till my vidya ravaged attention span fizzles out.
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This dude is weird to me in the sense that with practically everything he says -except on the topic on religion- I find him to be completely on point, but he likes to put things in sort of apocalyptic language and it's hard to not think of his views as unnecessarily hyperbolic to some degree.

>SJWs LITERALLY WANT TO DESTROY EVERYTHING WE VALUE
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>>2099827
Well things never go from bad to worse without periods in between.

Do you think people just go from being nice one day to genocidal the next?

They don't. They are ideologized into it throughout a long period of time.

>It is well-known that brutal mass rapes were committed against German women; both before and after world war II. Over 100,000 women were raped in Berlin alone.

>The phrase "from eight to 80" was used to describe potential victims of Soviet mass-rape. "Red Army soldiers don't believe in 'individual liaisons' with German women," wrote the playwright Zakhar Agranenko in his diary when serving as an officer of marine infantry in East Prussia. "Nine, ten, twelve men at a time –...
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Rape is a spook
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>ibn4 1/64 German Americans chimping out over "muh oma"
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its a shame, but this is the price of war

germany wanted one and they got one

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Haven't seen a historiography thread in /his/ before. So which argument does /his/ find most convincing?

The Marxist argument (That it was a bourgeois revolution), the revisionist argument (That it was a political revolution) or the post-revisionist (That the French culture was the ultimate cause)?
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>>2097703
I'm using your thread anon. What's the best place to start with the french revolution? I've read about the oxford history of the french revolution by william doyle, liberty or death by peter mcphee and citizens by simon schama, although I heard the last is biased and extremely negative.
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>>2097703
>The Marxist argument (That it was a bourgeois revolution)
This isn't even a Marxist argument, it existed years before Marx.
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>>2097728
Well, I've only read a couple of books myself and wanted to use this thread to exchange opinions.

From your picks I'd say the only thing you're missing is the Marxist viewpoint. Eric Hobsbawm would probably be your best bet.
You'd probably cover more ground if you didn't read Citizens because it's about 800 pages long though I can't really comment on how useful it is because I honestly saw it as a chore to read.

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Was Goebels right? Or was he just compensating for being a manlet?
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Success breeds jealousy.
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He had a wife's son.
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absolutely redpilled
dark enlightenment

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Most bat-shit insane cults in history.

>muh LSD fueled super-nerds
>muh Russian attack helicopter to rain Sarin on tokyo
>muh death-ray to cut Tokyo PD HQ in half
>my nuclear weapon
>muh sparking of WWIII stemming from resentment of USA
>muh germination in sci-fi pulp mags

Anyone have Aum Shinrikyo beat for abosolute madman levels?

Also cult general

inb4 25 year rule
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>>2096199
Islam is pretty crazy
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>>2096199
that fucking group
they actually released fucking sarin, the absolute madmen
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>>2096205
I'm thinking smaller groups, and you knew that kiddo

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Behold. It is I, Caliph Friedrich ibn Neetshah, first Caliph of the Ubermensch paradise of Hyperborea. The First of the rightly guided Caliphs. I, Friedrich ibn Neetshah (aesthetics be upon him), am the final messenger of Western philosophy.
There will be no philosopher after me.

I implore the faithful to follow the Five Pillars of Self-Overcoming. For these are mandatory to be offered entrance into Nietzschean Jannah.

1. Shahada - your declaration of faith and trust in pan-European fascism as an intermediary to Ubermensch Jannah. Public profession that I am...
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how about you wait till you're old enough to understand him before you start meming on by boy Fritz.
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>>2096163
You have to admit, Nietzsche is just a bit Islamic.
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>>2096153
It is said that the hallucinogenic quality of the fungus that was found in Friedrich's mostauche once caused him to believe he was Jesus Christ

This fact has never been confirmed apparently.

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How did the relatively insignificant and easily conquered Canaanites/Israelites have such an impact on world religions as compared with the much more powerful empires of Babylon, Hittites,Greeks, etc ?
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>>2096024
Because Jews are master-memers and managed to prank the Roman Empire into converting to the most memetastic sect of their religion.
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What is it about the Abrahamic faiths that made it so salient vs. the religious customs of more significant civilizations.

Sure, Zoroastrianism, Atenism, Roman polytheism, and Sumerian myths may have influenced monotheism, but in the end of the day the three big religions undeniably originate from the Hebrews and their belief in yahweh.

bonus question: so its pretty much confirmed that the Hebrew were just an offshoot of Canaanites and Judaism just formed from cult worship of one deity in the Canaanite pantheon?
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>>2096024

When the living God fights for you, you win.

>>2096041
I admire the effort you put into being wrong. It's truly stunning.

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Why should I entrust my immortal soul to this man?
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Because he is son of Jesus.
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>>2095454
Blasphemy
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>>2095465
Not in literal way. Pope is his spiritual successor.

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Racial equality is a spook.
Gender equality is a spook.
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Going around declaring only certain ideologies a spook is a spook
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>>2095167
Racial inequality is a spook.
Gender inequality is a spook.
Spooks are a spook.
>tfw spooks all the way down
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>>2095169
Those are concepts, not full blown ideologies.

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Why was it only Europe that ever experienced a true Dark Age?

Why didn't China, for example, ever experience a Dark Age
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>>2094788

You should look up what happened in China after the Han collapsed. If that isn't a dark age, I don't know what is.
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Wars of the three kingdoms were like the grimmest shit that has ever happened on this planet.
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>>2094788
Greece went through a dark age senpai

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The Northern Territories are land where the Soviet Union unilaterally abandoned the Japanese Soviet Union Agreement and invaded after the end of World War II. Actually, Japan does not demand the return of all the lost territory. The land that Japan is requesting is only a part of the land taken away.

Current Japan is in the wrong negotiation. Japan should have demanded all of the territory deprived of Russia. And Japan should have strongly insisted to receive apologies and compensation from Russia. Of course, Russia will not accept Japan's request. But that's...
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Spoils of war and all that. You don't see Germany asking for Kaliningrad
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>>2093976
>for bringing out Russian compromise
>give me this land
>no
>give me a little less land
>no
>...
What makes you think that Russia is desperate for some sort of agreement?
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>>2094037
Putin literally give up some land to China for free like two years ago.

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Are Catholics Christians, /his/?
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If they aren't then nobody is.
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You know I could flip that question on its head, right? Are Protestants Christians? How can they be Christians if they get to found their own Churches? What arrogance! To break away from the Church founded by Christ Himself!
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>>2093957
>founded by Christ
>run by humans for 2000 years after
>he thinks original sin doesn't seep into everything

cathocucks

If Muslims are against pagan worship and idolatry, why do they pray five times a day in the direction of a cube with pagan origins?

Once every lunar year, the Bedouin tribes would make a pilgrimage to Mecca. Setting aside any tribal feuds, they would worship their pagan gods in the Kaaba and trade with each other in the city. Islam would later adopt the established traditions of the Bedouin tribes, such as encouragement of trade during the Hajj, but replacing the worship of their pagan gods with Allah.
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They believe it is a Abrahamic place of worship because....get this, a tribe of Jews that settled in the area told them it was that after they observed the ritual preformed by the pagans in Medina.
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It's just a focal point and a place of pilgrimage. Muslim's believe god is omnipresent, invisible etc etc. Not some rock in a box.
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Where does the magic cube come from?
What is it made of?
What is inside of it?
Will this questions be answered in our lifetimes?

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What is the highest form of love possible for the human?
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>>2093215
>highest form of love
love doesn't have any elevation, it's just a feeling.
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>>2093215
lol can you even call Nietzes view on love, "love"
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>>2093215

Agape

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Can capitalism survive without stealing tax payers money to cover up failures of corporations?
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We have to let the free market fix it.
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Short answer: No

Long answer: Non

Longer answer: 没有
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>>2093048
Capitalism can, many of our largest corporations could not. Like flowers in a Greenhouse, they dont suite the natural environment

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Admit it, you are all here because of this game.
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>>2092327
>Not AOE1
Am I the only one who got AOE1 bundled with their windows 95 computer?

Hittite Masterrace
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>not Medieval 2: Total War
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nope, this

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Should Christians take it literally, /his/?
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>>2092016
Of course not.
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>>2092016
>should believers of "insert x here" actually believe what "insert x here" actually says
You tell me?

Keep in mind, they used to practice literally.
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I think they should just admit it's wrong and throw it in the trash

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What do you think of Jehovah's Witnesses, /his/?
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>>2091944
Nothing short of a cult once you reach the medium and higher echelons
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>>2091944

Just as psycho as Scientologists
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>>2091944
weird cult,

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Explain the Trinity to me, /his/.
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Is there anything in the Old Testament at all that supports the trinity?
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It's never explained by the people who say they believe it. How can anyone else possibly explain it?
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>>2091686
The fact that God refers to Himself as "us" in Genesis and that Elohim is a plural noun.

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What was the actual purpose of this thing ?
I mean, obviously it was used to stab people, but when was it used ? I don't see how it could be used by soldiers in a battle, so was it made for dueling ? maybe it's for civilian self defense ? Maybe the city guards carried these ?
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>>2091309
>What was the actual purpose of this thing ?
Killing.
>I mean, obviously it was used to stab people
There, you answered your own question.
>but when was it used ?
Its usage began in the late 15th century, and it (along with the sabre, which was used by cavalry, and designs based on it and the sabre) was used until swords dropped out of use.
>I don't see how it could be used by soldiers...
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>>2091309
>I don't see how it could be used by soldiers in a battle, so was it made for dueling ? maybe it's for civilian self defense ? Maybe the city guards carried these ?

Literally just go look it up on wikipedia or go watch Matt Easton's videos about rapiers.

This is literally a question that could be googled.
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>>2091309
The rapier developed from the side-sword, which was essentially an arming sword with a complex hilt. Rapiers for battlefield use were generally a bit sturdier. During the 17th century, rapiers became narrower and longer, focussing on the thrust. They were primarily carried for civilian self-defence. They were also used for duelling (especially under the premise that at that time most duels were far less regulated and 'institutionalised' and happened on the spot and were thus essentially a case of civilian self-defence).

What drives people--particularly adolescent/young adult men--to support radical political movements like fascism or Islamism? Was this guy right?
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Motherfucking wrong image, sorry
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Young adults are inevitably the least invested in the society within which they agitate. Young adult men just happen to be more willing to kill themselves for a cause than pragmatic women.
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Most cultures have long standing traditions and assumptions that define what should be done and what should be looked out for. When they collapse, people gravitate to strongmen or authoritarian ideologies because they have no idea what's going on so they need someone or something to protect them from ALL possible dangers.

TELL ME EVERYTHING YOU KNOW ABOUT ITALY
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I main Mario in Trash 4 so call me an expert.
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>>2091144
whats going on in that dot
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>>2091165
San Marino

Has liberalism ever "lost" a culture war?

Ever since the conflict between anticlerical liberals and ultramontane Catholics in XIXth century Europe, passing through the conflict between individualist liberals and collectivist communists or fascists in the 20th century, to the conflict between progressive liberals and social conservatives in the 21st century, one thing remains the same, liberalism always win.

What is the point of even opposing it if you know you will lose?
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>>2090953
Actual liberalism, or American "liberalism"? The American kind just leads to a slow and pitiful collapse.
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Well, liberalism has essentially lost in place like the Middle East, hasn't it? After ww2 you could see places like Iran and Syria becoming very liberal, open, and western in a lot of senses. Now however a lot of those ideals have been heavily reigned in.
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>>2090953
>the conflict between individualist liberals and collectivist communists or fascists in the 20th century
You make WW2 sound like an undergrad debate

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The hard problem of consciousness is that we don't have a physical explanation for the subjective phenomena of consciousness. From a reductionist standpoint, the brain is separated into neurons, and when you examine a single neuron you find no trace of consciousness. There are those that claim that this is because it is an emergent property, you need more neurons to explain consciousness, but all that this argument has done is shown that consciousness and the brains events are correlated and it has made no further attempt to explain how the brain could produce awareness.

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>>2090642
However, there is also the phenomena of the electromagnetic field which hypothetically could connect all of these events with a unified force, therefore solving the "binding problem". However, we run into a similar problem because the electromagnetic field is quantized as discrete entities, electromagnetic waves.

Although, let us treat the electromagnetic field in classical terms and see what we can learn. The first problem is that why should electromagnetic forces produce consciousness? It seems...
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>>2090647

However, we can use the flaws of the brain(and EMF) argument to produce what we should expect from a physical system that explains consciousness. Consciousness is a self-refrential knowing, that is to say, you know that you know and this process is contained in a substantial unity. Much like how computers know certain programs or are informed of them, your consciousness is a process that is informed of its own informational processesing. This informational processing is integrated harmoniously. Looking at it from...
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>>2090653

When we come to a crossroad of hypothesises, we often turn to Occam's razor. Normally we try to use old phenomena to explain new phenomena but as the phenomena we are analyzing are all new physical phenomena, occam's razor doesn't help much yet. Then we try to use the most simple and elegant explanation. That, inmy opinion, that would be the soul. I think it is a simpler structure (but would require another mental monad to connect it to the brain), and it is certainly the most elegant which fits...
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Ask yourself /his/ which side is more reasonable?
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that's not an easy question, anon

I was about to answer "Austrain Economics", but then I read your insightful commentary and I am just not sure anymore. I can't believe I missed that quote in their works.
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>>2090539

What is Keynesian perspective on Bitcoin?
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>>2090569
I know, I had just read some material by Von Mises but now I'm rethinking my stance on the whole school due to this image. Is this a Milton Friedman quote OP?

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Why don't contemporaries make mention of him?
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>>2090181
They do - see the Gospels, Epistles of St Peter, St Jude, St James, etc.
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>>2090181
Because he was a homeless rabbi in an irrelevant backwater of the Roman empire.
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Why didn't contemporaries mention Hannibal or Boudicca or Vosenios or Celtillus

It's rare to find a contemporary mention of anyone in ancient or early medieval literature

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Why was the Swiss Pike a revolution? It just seems to be using ancient Greek fighting style. It's very similar to the Sarissa.
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>>2090150
No but professional Armies were.
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It was revolutionary because it countered armored, mounted knights. Prior to pikes there was no easy/simple counter to heavily armored horsemen deciding the battle. Pikes also hadnt been used commonly since antiquity. An event doesnt have to be new in order to be revolutionary. For example, Rome was a Republic, when the US became a republic many considered this "revolutionary" despite not being a new idea.
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>very similar to sarissa
>no shields

I am from Bosnia, and as you know, it was hell down from 1992 to 1995. For 1 year I lived and survived in a city of 60,000 inhabitants without electricity, oil, running water , Without traditional food and consumables distribution services, and without any governmental organization.


Our city was surrounded by armed forces for 1 year, and in that city it was shit.


We did not have any police or organized army. There were armed groups, and those who were armed defended their houses and their families.


When it all began, some of us were better prepared than others, but most of the neighboring families only had food for a few days.

Some of us had pistols, and very few of them had AK47s and rifles.


After 1 or 2 months, the gangs began their destruction: hospitals for example, quickly became slaughterhouses.

Police forces were no longer present, and hospital staff absenteeism was over 80%.





I was lucky, my family was wide at that time (15 members in a big house, 6 pistols, 3 AK47), and so we survived ... at least most of us.


The Americans swung MREs (Meals Ready to Eat) every 10 days to help encircled cities like ours, but it was never enough.Some houses had small vegetable gardens, but most did not.





After 3 months, the first rumors of death by starvation began ... but also the deaths by exposure to the cold.

We dismantled all our doors, framed the windows of abandoned houses, our floor ... and I also burned all our furniture to keep us warm.


Many died of diseases, mainly because of water (2 members of my family), we mainly drank rainwater, we ate pigeon and even rat.
The currency quickly became crap ...


We were bartering;For a box of beef you could have a girl for a few hours (it's hard, but it was reality), I remember that most women who sold their bodies were desperate mothers.


Firearms, ammunition, candles, lighters, antibiotics, oil, batteries and food ... we were like animals for that.
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>>2089765

They also apparently didn't teach you how to count.

25 year rule.
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In a situation like this, everything changes, and most people become monsters ... it was ugly.

Strength was in number.If you were alone in a house, it was only a matter of time before it was looted and killed ... no matter if you were armed.
I and my family are ready now;I am well armed, I have a good stock and I am "educated".


It is not important what will happen;Earthquake, war, tsunami, extraterrestrials, terrorism, scarcity, economic collapse, riot ... the important thing is that something will happen!


From my experience, you can...
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>>2089779
not OP but it´s almost 25 years, also there had been a lot of balkan war threads. Let this one for humanities value

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Thoughts on new Nolan Dunkirk kino?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-eMt3SrfFU
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>>2089201
I'm fuckin' pyched
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>britbong
>sad because they will never get a high budget hollywood film made about us in WWII because the American market is so much bigger
>wait they are making one!
>Is it battle of britain? d-day? el alamein?
>no it is about the embarrassing retreat at dunkirk ahah only americans get to be heroes in high budget films
>mfw
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>tfw the french are not mentioned once in the movie

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Lets be serious /his/. How hard would Aquinas BTFO NEETche in a debate?
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>>2089025
nietzsche would never be in a debate because

1. he was an autistic nerd
2. he was opposed to dialectical arguments
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>>2089053
>he was opposed to being exposed as the brainlet that he really was
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>>2089060
>nietzsche
>brainlet
he was too smart to be in a deb8 tho


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