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Daily reminder that "Great" Britain gave Hong Kong back to China like a little bitch.

> The Foreign Office proposed a counter-strategy founded upon a distinction between 'sovereignty' and 'administration'. It suggested that Thatcher aim to reach an agreement with China whereby Britain would cede a titular sovereignty over Hong Kong to Peking, in exchange for Peking's formal agreement **to allow British administration to remain in place in Hong Kong beyond 1997.** Thatcher eventually digested the proposal in principle...
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>>1926760

> Tired of the lack of progress in negotiations, Patten passed his reforms in the legislative council in June 1994. The Chinese promptly terminated negotiations, claiming the British had broken their agreements. Beijing began to act unilaterally to create a post-1997 government, locking the British out of Hong Kong’s future. As soon as Hong Kong passed to their control, the CCP would dismantle Patten’s changes. They created a provisional legislative council, which included 33 members...
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This thread again. Really, what were the British supposed to do, try and keep Hong Kong without the New Territories or go to war over them? This fixation of yours is baffling.
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>>1926767
Im not really sure why youre expecting a reply from a copy pasta.

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My friend asked me why we have to pick ancient historians apart and criticise everything they write. She asked, "Why can't we just give them the benefit of the doubt?".

Well, why can't we?
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We do, unless there is good reason to do otherwise.
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Aliens built the great pyramids. I'm a historian so its true.
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>Pompey got rid of literally every single pirate in the Mediterranean
Totally plausible

>Timur the Lame built pyramids out of the skulls of his victims which were so massive they were confused for hills when seen from a distance
Could have happened

>Nero had feasts where the dining room was illuminated by Christians burning to death
What's wrong with that/

>This one Empress back in the early middle ages was kind of a slut
LITERALLY...
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Does it make me think?
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what is it
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>AS THE STARS REVOLVE AROUND THE NORTH, AND THE NORTH DIRECTS THE STARS, AND ALL MOVES IN STASIS, THE EXTERNAL COMPRISES THE INTERNAL, AND THE INTERNAL AFFECTS THE EXTERNAL, AND THE TOTAL FLUCTUATES STABILELY —THE OTHER FOR THE SELF, AND THE SELF TOWARD THE OTHER, AND CONSCIOUSNESS BECOMES ITSELF.

>IMMORTALITY IS NOT PERPETUATION OF MORTAL LIFE, BUT THE CONDITION AND QUALITY OF IMPERISHABLE LIFE.

>THE HEROES OF THIS NEW AGE ARE CURRENTLY ALIVE; THEY ARE POPULARLY REFERRED TO AS...
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no, it is loaded with superstition and fallacies and only appeals to people with a damaged hippocampus who have difficulty discerning how relevant things are

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future
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thank i'll be dead by then
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You're probably going to die in less than a century and you're bothered by shit that's going to happen in millions or billions of years?
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>>1926518
You had billions of years before you even existed. You will have trillions, maybe quadrillions, maybe even a number so great it can't be described, after your death. There's a potential infinity years after you die. Maybe, since it only took you a few billion years to be born, you might be born again.

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The middle east was extremely peaceful and stable before colonialism.
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>>1926307
...continue.
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Does the Ottoman empire not count as colonialism?
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>>1926307
What a stupid picture. Ebert was part of the revolution and Liebknecht wasn't even a Jew.

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Who is you're favorite academic or historian?

Pic related. This guy probably wrote the most incisive history of western civilization ever.

http://www.balderexlibris.com/index.php?post/Jones-Eugene-Michael-The-Jewish-Revolutionary-Spirit-and-Its-Impact-on-World-History
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John Green.
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>>1926032
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This book has completely changed the way I view history.

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> Movie takes place in """"Dark Ages"""""
> All characters speak in modern english and not middle english
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>>1925968
Literally nobody important spoke middle English
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>>1925968
How autistic are you?
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>Movie takes place in """"Dark Ages"""""
>All characters speak in middle english and not middle english
>Cant understand shit

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We all know Alexander and his legendary conquest from Greece to Bactria but what of the claim that he was the only great man of history. After all, who were Napoleon and Julius Caesar but followers trying to achieve only a fraction of the glory of the king of the world?

Have there been any truly great men? Will there ever be another in our time? Discuss
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Some men may be considered greater than others, but true greatness has not and will never be achieved. All accomplishments will eventually be forgotten.
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Who is Attila the Hun and The Mongals.
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>>1925959
sad to think about but true

Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:

And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing...
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Was being a white college student in 1991 in the USA the apex of all human experience?
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>>1925876
Would bang 10/10.
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>>1925876
bump
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>>1925876
Ay yo semen demon status. Who is this?

Name a greater leader.
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>>1925787

ITT we talk about the Greco-Turkish War (1919–22)

This war happened apparently, pretty bloody with about half a million dead, what do you think of this war /his/?
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>>1925719
Bumping because I'm curious as well
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>>1925719
They were tired of British chemical warfare in WW1.
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>>1926481
>chemical warfare
Do you mean bug spray?

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The NSDAP gains 43.91% of the vote but what I want to know is, what happened to the other 56.09%?
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>>1925525

other smaller parties around Germany. The Reichstag was filled with small parties which made up various coalitions.
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>>1925525
divided amongst the many other coalitions, iirc, primarily the reactionary/conservative coalition headed by hindenburg.
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>>1925528
>>1925529
But what happened to the voters?

Did they all just literally fall for Hitler? Were they forced to fight? Were they persecuted?

I really doubt this nonsense that the German people loved Hitler, I've read that people thought Mein Kampf was dull and boring and that officers often found him narcissistic in conversation.

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Was he on the spectrum?
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>>1925450
>clapping in background sped up
clip is doctored

but to answer your question, socially far-right, economically left, government size: large (so right, left is pure libertarian)
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>>1925450
read hitlers diary from before 1914 and you tell me
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>>1925450
I doubt it. Just for the sole fact that he gave speeches to thousands of people. A real autist wouldn't be able to do that.

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Hey /his/ I was doing some thinking recently. If somebody posts a source that has been proven in the past to be biased or false is it intellectually lazy to dismiss all further information from that source, or would one be justified in doing so? I would like to hear your thoughts on this.
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All sources are biased, and most have false information.
Especially those from antiquity/ pre modern eras.
If you discounted all sources for biased and or false info, youd have no sources.
Would it be nice if all sources were entirely correct/ unbiased? Absolutely, but we work with what we're given.
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>>1925469
I guess you're right, but I was more talking about something that is wrong a majority of the time, let's take an extreme example and say a source is wrong 99% of the time, if they provide evidence to why they reach the conclusions they do would I be obliged to still look into them or would I be allowed to dismiss them out of hand?
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>>1925442
would you continue buying food from people who shit in your food?

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>548. "Why does every discussion about icycalm lead to the same thing? I.e. almost no points of his are discussed, and everyone tries as hard as they can to halt the discussion entirely." — Because deep down they know I am right, since all of Existence reveres and praises the genius. The meanness and the baseness of subhumans are merely the way that this particular form of life praises.
>t. Icycalm / Alex Kierkegaard
Say what you will about this guy, this description seems to match what little I've...
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Call me a mediocre subhuman, but there is a subtle satisfaction in knowing that I was quoted in Orgy of the Will.
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>>1926632
Where?
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>>1927082
That quote in 548.

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Hi /his/,

Can anyone tell what style of architecture this is? Where it can be influenced from? What, if any, symbology is represented here?
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>>1925205
Is that the Bill Clinton pedo island?
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>>1925217
I cant confirm or deny
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>>1925217
Yeah. Spill what you know.

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Why did God create us (gay people)? Why? I want to believe and be a good person but I want to love too. It's not fair, why can't I have love? I never chose to be gay. I have never even had sex before. Am I suppose to just die a virgin? I am so depressed
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There's no science proving that you're born gay. Read the actual studies. Its just assumptions and requests for further studies on the subjects. Bloggers read that and then post their ooo science confirms u born gay guise
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I'm sure if you truly want to be saved only fucking women shouldn't be too hard :^)
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>>1925009
You never chose to be gay, but your father chose to sexually abuse you.

>"O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are you, that can't slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil excretes, and your army eats. You will not, you son of a bitch, make subjects of Christian sons; we've no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck your mother.
You Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, pig of Armenia, Podolian...
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>>1925005
>Were the cossacks our guys /his/?
Absolutely
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>>1925005
>a good christian king has given us dominion over his ass

What did he mean by this ?
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>>1925527

It means that major turkish ass is being pounded tonight at the banks of the Dnieper.

ITT: Post your Favorite Saint.

can be from any Religion

I'll start
>Saint Maurice, Patron Saint of the Holy Roman Emperors .
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When and why did Western labor organizations lose their left-wing radicalism?

How come unions in Latin America and India are often still very socialist?
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>>1923808
I'm not too eloquent, but Zizek worded it well as 'nice capitalism'. Living standards for laborers were raised just enough to significantly reduce incentive to be part of a union and go on strikes and so on.
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>>1923808

Because they saw the results of socialism and communism unfold. And how barbaric it is
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>>1923825

this

social democracy was the death of the west's left as it was known until the 50

When did Zizek emerge into public consciousness?

He seemingly came out of nowhere around 2011/12 (at least for me) - why?
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>but isn't it precisely because I don't know what I'm talking about, that I should continue speaking, yes? no! I hate that! When they say this and you say that and so on *sniffs*...my radical proposition is this....if Hitler learned to fucked jewish men in the ass properly the entire paradigm could have been...
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>>1923704
>He seemingly came out of nowhere around 2011/12
He also faded from the public consciousness in 2011/12

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Do you guys watch the young pope?
Show has been been pretty fucking good so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adyK3EJHIbo
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>>1923626
Bumping
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>>1923626
good show, we talk about it alot over at >>/tv/
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I watch sports and AMC shows when I'm bored. Never heard of this.

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When/why did the Confederate battle flag become associated with the Confederacy more so than the actual Confederate flag?

Is it recognized as a symbol of hate outside of America?

Are there any other flags that have been "banned" similar to the Swastika?
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>>1923528
>When/why did the Confederate battle flag become associated with the Confederacy more so than the actual Confederate flag?
literally only because it looks better
>Is it recognized as a symbol of hate outside of America?
only by intellectual elites really, nobody else really cares
>Are there any other flags that have been "banned" similar to the Swastika?
no, nobody really even cares if you fly the confederate flag
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>>1923528
The saltire is a Scots-Irish symbol.
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>>1923528
It simply looks better, just look at that sexy symmetry.

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Did he really do anything wrong /his/
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>>1923314
JUST
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Nah, WW1 started because Europe was a rats nest of century old treaties and non aggression pacts and so forth.

He was a good boi he went to church just wanted mo money fo a united yugoslavia (kek).
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>>1923314
>>1923323
someone with photoshop/gimp skills give him the good ol' JUST hair

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instead of pretending to build communism, might it have actually worked?
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They did try in earnest. It's just that communism requires a brutally authoritarian government to implement. Which of course is """"not real communism"""" which actually just means that communism is impossible.
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>>1923176
I think the actual effort to build communism almost completely died off by the late 60s.

By then the party apparatchiks were bothered solely about maintaining status and their perks (nice apartments, consumer goods, dachas etc.)
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I really doubt it because they were following Vladimir "I only read the Manifesto and made up the rest lol" Lenin's vision of communism.

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Existed an army shittier in a war than the Ottoman Army?
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>>1922997
sup
>marshal of italy
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>>1922997
they did well enough without that faggot enver

>gallipolli
>kut
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>>1922997
The Ottomans fared far better than the Austians, Russians and Italians. Thez were experienced and well organized after the Balkan Wars and the Ottomans had some prettz neat generals as well.

So this bloody femboy meme aside, anyone of ya'll got a picture of how ancient greek women actually looked like? Or atleast a person from the modern days (actor/just a random person) that would look remotely like the ancient greek ladies.
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Beaky
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>>1922885
>bloody femboy meme aside
>posts a picture of what ancient greek boys literally looked like
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modern greeks look pretty much like ancient greeks dont they

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What animal was it?
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According to the history channel it was aliens
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>>1922661
According to wikipedia it was gay
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>>1922661
Ant eater, definitely an ant eater

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Jesus fuck what was even the point of designing such a shitty weapon
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>>1921372
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>>1921372
t. Anglo
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>>1921372
You don't need a bajillion years of bow training to handle one.

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Dying on the battlefield is the only honourable way to die.

why has this been ignored by philosophers?
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>dying
>honorable
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>>1921354
Because we went through two world wars. Romantic militarism only works when people are ignorant of war.
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>>1921354
Honour is an opium to keep little goi quit.


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