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Utilitarianism is a top-tier philosophy.

Prove me wrong.

Hard mode: No "muh feels" arguements.
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>>1752429

But utilitarianism is itself a "muh feels" argument.
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>>1752429
>implying philosophy without "muh feels" is possible
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>>1752429
>Maximise happiness
Why must I do that?

Why has France never recovered from the Franco-Prussian War?

They've really become a third tier power ever since.
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demographics

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Really, it's more of a chronic problem stemming from the French Revolution

>revolution fails
>tensions never dissipate from society
>republican vs monarchist
>Protestant vs Catholic
>urban vs. rural
>socialism vs. capitalism
>repeated wars, insurrections, and occupations only exacerbate the political and sectarian tensions
>by...
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They haven't recovered since the 100 days.

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How is it that France has been the most militarily successful nation in European history?

WWII memes aside, of course.
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Mo people, mo economy, mo land
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>>1747233
They're not German.
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>>1747242
> germemes
> military successful loss of two world wars

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ITT: /his/ memes
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>>1737485
bonus points for shitty oc
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>>1737485
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>>1737485
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HE DID IT HE ACTUALLY DID IT, THE ABSOLUTE MAD MAN. HE SOLVED THE IS–OUGHT PROBLEM .
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WHAT DID HE DO?
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WHEN DID HE DO IT?
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pls explain

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Was Nat Turner justified in using violence to free black people?
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>>1749987

I'm going to say yes but at the same time I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere nearby when this is going on.
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Means to an end, my white friend
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>>1749996
But the end result is that blacks do far more damage to blacks than whites ever did. Are the means justified now?

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Lets talk about Sumeria.
>Was it really the first civilization?
>What made it collapse?
>Are they "better" than Ancient Egyptians?
>What was the deal with their creepy religious deities?
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Mesopotamia is so confusing.
So many civilizations and empires of different ethnicities.

Can someone list all the Mesopotamian kingoms with thier ethnicity beside?
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Yes

>Kingdom of the sand
>Niggers
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Fun fact, they had no army

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Can anybody help me understand this?

Pretty much all Jewish people have German names. Yiddish is literally German with the Hebrew alphabet.

From like 1800 to the Holocaust it seems like a ton of important Germans were Jewish. There were less Jews in Germany than there are in America, but we have Marx and Freud and Einstein and Fritz Lang and Walter Benjamin and Walter Rathenau and Mahler and Mendelson totally stealing the show.

Why were Jews so important in Germany despite small numbers? Reading Ulysses suggests everybody associated Germans and Jews with...
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they couldn't own land
they had some protection in the hre after huge massacres during the crusade times
due to the jobs they were allowed to do they became a part of the urbanized merchant class so they were affected by developing ideas relatively fast and had connects in business and social circles just because of the jobs they were allowed to do such as usury
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The majority of Ashkenazim lived in the Austria-Hungary region when surnames became commonplace, which is why Yiddish surnames are most often Germanic. They migrated East as conditions became less hospitable for Jews in Western Europe.

As far as the Jews in Germany proper, they became quite segregated from the Eastern European majority. The Easterners stereotyped them as pretentious and unfriendly, while the German Jews considered the Easterners superstitious boors with no class.

Jews in Western Europe tended to be much better educated than the working class ones who came from the East, particularly in England and Germany.

> the Dreyfuss Affair suggests that just being Jewish meant Dreyfuss was believed to have German sympathies.

That actually had more to do with Dreyfus being from Alsace. Dreyfus' Jewishness made him a target for accusations of espionage, but officers in his position were chosen for their knowledge of German language and culture. Alsace-Lorraine was annexed by Germany at the time Dreyfus moved to Paris, and it was only after that that he enlisted with the military.
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>>1748134
The urban part is what's really relevant. Jews were 5-10% of the Berlin population before the war, even if they were only about 1% of the total German population.

Most Germans still lived rural lives in the early 20th century, insulated from cosmopolitan turbulence.

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ITT: Historical misconceptions you believed for a long time.

I'll start:
>Aztecs thought the Spaniards were gods
>Every medieval and Elizabethan town had shit everywhere in the streets
>The "Holy" "Roman" "Empire"
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>Einstein invented relativity
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>The treaty of Versailles was harsh
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>Communism is evil

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ITT: summarize your view on the world in one sentence

The weak should fear the strong
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>>1726338

>15 years old boy who heard about Nietzsche on youtube
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>>1726338
People are generally good
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>>1726342
>Commie 15 year old that heard about marx on tumblr

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We're all anonymous here, no need to be embarrassed.

I'll start us off:

>used to think Rome was still a real culture/empire because when I was 6 my friend's parents hired two actors to roleplay legionaries on his birthday
>used to think that George Washington chopped down a cherry tree given to the US by the Japanese because I lived in DC and we have cherry trees that were given to us by the Japanese and I assumed Washington lived in Washington DC
>used to...
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I used to think Rome was Controlled by three families who went on to conquer their own parts of the known world before Caesar revolted and took over it all
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>>1748991
>>this one isn't really historical but I thought that when you died your flesh just instantly dissipated and you turned into a skeleton

That's actually true, tho?

>used to think America is a real place
>used to think the past smelled better
>used to think numbers were invented by the Welsh
>used to think the past came AFTER the present
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I used to think that the figures at Pompeii were actually just the real people "frozen" in ash, not plaster fills of the imprints they left behind.

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What are some good books about the migration period? I'm interested in how the different groups of people moved around and assimilated/conquered existing peoples, as well as the origins of Slavs, Ango-Saxons, etc.
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>>1738576
sauce on that bitch?
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>>1738576
totally would bang that chick to hell and back
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SAUCE THE DAMN BITCH FFS

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Was the US justified in dropping two nukes on japan?
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Nips talked shit, Nips got hit
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>>1750564
It was just dickwaving to try to scare the Soviets.
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>>1750564
Yes

Needed to show the Russians and Stalin it worked
Needed to end imperial Japan

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Do war crimes exist?
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>>1743090
obviously.
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>let's play war by the rules
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Nope just a figment of the UN's imagination

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>the civil war wasn't about slavery
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>>1752738

To be fair, I am not a Francoist, but he did not reinstall slavery.
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>>1752738
>it wuz about states rights

To own slaves
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>>1752838
The Northern states didn't have the right to abolish slavery in the South.

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Why is Islamic architecture better than Christian architecture?
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>>1750015
"""Islamic""" architecture was stolen from the Byzantines.
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>>1750015
Reminder that muslims have never invented anything of worth and were only stealing from other cultures.
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>>1750015
Holy fuck, top tier b8

Is classical antiquity the most based period in the history of humanity?

>Amazing Art and Architecture. Beautiful mosaics and frescoes decorating cities
>Relative peace under the Pax Romana
>The birth of Philosophy, Mathematics and Physics
>Greco-Roman Mythology
>Holidays that atually meant something, like Saturnalia
>Persia was an actually interesting place
>Amazing...
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"Classical" Antiquity is pleb tier.

Late Antiquity is the thinking man's periodisation.
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Although the time period is interesting. I doubt you'd want to live there as the overwhelming majority of people had terrible life condition. Very few were part of the upper echelon and most struggled on daily basis to simply survive.
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>>1747216
I think it was an amazing time, but I also think it has been romanticised to an incredible degree. Most lived in squalor, had terrible teeth conditions, low life expectancy etc.

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Why do Christians, even in the modern day, despise pagans so much? I've taken an interest into Indo-European religion for a few years now, and while it is difficult to assemble a collection of practices, and beliefs due to the speculative nature of it all, I still try, and it still spiritually fulfills me.

Yet, even though we share with Christians a spiritual view on life, they spit at us and call us LARPers. Even though we share common ground in a world plagued by nihilism and materialism, they have no desire to find common roots or work together.

Is this...
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>>1745987

It's probably embarrassment, so much of christianity is so obviously based on pagan ideas that either they can accept this and suddenly they have no argument for why you should pick christianity over paganism, or they can stir themselves into a tizzy and hate on paganism as an overcompensation, kind of like how so many anti-faggot bigots turn out to be closet cases.
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>>1745987
Probably because the pagans treated Christians like shit (Romans were Pagans too) and created so many Christian martyrs that hating them became part of the religion. Also unless you seriously think worshipping a tree is a logical idea, you are LARPing being a pagan.
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Probably because pagans keep calling them quasi-Jews and cuckolds.

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I was reading Mark Twain's 'The Mysterious Stranger', and the ending dialogue in which the "angel" talks about the absurdity of God and creation of the angels got me thinking.

Why exactly do those of the Abrahamic religions believe God created the angels? I can see them being remnant of pagan tendencies born from traditional Semitic/Hebrew religion, when they were morphed from distinct deities into 'helpers' of Yawheh; furthermore, I can understand why they were venerated during the rise of Christianity, as they appealed to pagans who...
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>>1752538
Angels exist as a go between from the world out of time, to the world within time.
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Fuck, don't remind me of that video. It's getting dark outside where I live.
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>>1752556
And god needs to relie on thoe because he cant do it himself?

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ITT: Autistic opinions you have about life and the world

I'll start:

>The reason so many people are unhappy is because we're no longer the builders of society, only the maintenance crew
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>>1745151
Constantinople is rightful greek clay
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Pawns can never become players
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>>1745151
A Transjordan State of Israel will be realized in the near future.

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Is imparting modern day morals on historic events wrong?
And by this I don't mean things like medical practices or using god as the explanation for everything because they honestly did not know better, they lacked enough informatiom to infer otherwise.
I'm talking about actions like Slavery or Genocide which were not as "in the grey" or missunderstood as things like medicine. They knew what they were doing. So is it still wrong to judge people who ordered these actions as "bad"? And if so why?
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It isn't, there is one objective morality. It doesn't changes with time, we just got better in understanding it with more experience as civilization.
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>>1750999
No we don't. We're sinners in the hands of an angry God and always have been.
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It's not terribly useful to "judge" historical figures at all, by any standard, if your goal is to learn about history.

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What is your opinion on the philosophy, Stoicism, /his/?
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I feel indifferent about stoicism as I feel indifferent about this thread, simply letting them be.
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>>1748465
> I don't know stoicism
Stoicism is nice because it helps you cope with stuff
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It's really cool. Check it out

I'm totally not Lucifer

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Trolley problem thread? Trolley problem thread.

Bonus marks if you actually discuss the killing vs. letting die debate
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Just roll the dice.
1: kill 5 persons
5-6: kill 1 person
That way everyone got a fair chance. All other solutions are biased, therefore unethical.
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If you don't know any person you can reduce grieving relatives/friends by killing the one person.

If you know them, it should be an entirely personal choice.

The killing vs. letting die argument is retarded because unlike the random deaths happening everywhere in the world at any moment, you have the power to decide the outcome of this situation.
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>>1746698
skilled artisans can manipulate physical chance tier outcomes

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Don't know where else to post this.

Do you think child molesters can be rehabilitated?
Should they just be executed?
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Sounds like a science question.
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>>1745642
yes. rehabilitation for everyone.

the death penalty is the most immoral and lazy way to deliver justice
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>>1745661
What if, in Scullys case for example, they've shown they don't give a fuck about prison and about rehabilitation?

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Does free will exist? Is existence itself predetermined?
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>>1742199
Pre determined most likely but that doesn't change anything, people are still going to go on not knowing what the future holds this question is only fun for a circle jerk but it serves no value since we can't see the future
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whether or not free will exists is irrelevant to a human's phenomenological perspective.
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>>1742218
It's kinda fucking me up though, I don't want to feel like a puppet who has no choice in the matter.

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>Uses "BCE"/"CE" to mark dates
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>>1741874
this
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>>1741874

I use BJH and AJH (JH stands for "Jewish Homosexual")
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>>1741883
how can jesus be a homosexual if he had a wife

>Anon! wake up! You keep dreaming about the holy roman empire and shitty philosophers!
>We're about to take Moscow, are you in or not?
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"Clarify, Hans. Are we presently outside of Moscow, or are we on the way!"
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Moscow is a spook.
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Just because Moscow is, does not mean it ought to be taken

Praise skepticism

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Are modern Iranians not descended fully or at all from ancient Iranians? Persians/Parthians/Scythians/Afghans/Sogdians/Tocharians/Medes etc are often described in classical history as having fiery red hair, blue/green eyes, blonde hair, etc. There are some remnants of these like you see in Kurds, Kalash, Pashtuns, Nuristanis, Persians (often isolated populations or rare snowflakes).

Did the Arabs and Eurasian/Mongol Turks really genetically fuck them up that bad, or are there other cases of migration and displacement?
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Use your head

What you're positing would be around 80,000 Arab soldiers somehow completely displacing and replacing a settled Iranian population of about 30 million people

Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is
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>>1743173
Persians were ruled by foreigners for 1000+ years so it is likely
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>>1743160
Even In Turkey east asian admixture is miniscule, and they look far more like a greek or armenian than like a krygz or uighur.

More than likely that the migrant populations were very tiny compared to locals, and they were asimilated into them.

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Is it wrong to destroy historical monuments? Commies did it, post soviet states did it, ISIS did it.
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>>1743106
Of course. But comparing the soviet states to ISIS isn't a good comparison. The post soviet states destroyed things related to communism. Isis is destroying ancient artifacts that go as far back as the Assyrians and Mesopotamian. They've destroyed Egyptian mummies as well. That places ISIS in a different league from the Soviet States.

But yes it's obvious that destroying historical monuments is horribly wrong.
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Depends. Most soviet monuments are worthless mass produced garbage.
Lenin statues are copy paste junk. And you can actually find them still in random places because of how numerous they were.
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>>1743134
>>1743139
I like what they did in Hungary, and just pile them all up just outside Budapest and make it a tourist attraction.

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Is he right about christianity?
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>>1741477
Who is this steaming seaman?
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>>1741477
He is right about most things. Especially music.
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>>1741477
Why would I take the opinion of an LARP-er and hypocrite seriously?


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