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Who else is starting their humanities degree next week?

I'm so bummed. No more fucking around on 4chan for, like, a year.

:(

What huge manatees dungaree are you doing?

I'm doing law

:(
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>>1728075
good. escape while you still can. young shitposter
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>>1728087
I'm a bona fide oldfag dude. I was here in 2008 actually.
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So I'm the only person OTB that's going to university?

Wow.

I like thought all you guys had degrees and shit.

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Is consumerism the end goal of human civilization?
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>>1728044
you accidentally put the word "goal" in your post.
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>>1728044
It is the end goal of any market-based Capitalist civilization.
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>>1728054
How long do we have left?

I figure we'll be able to push it out to 2030 using financial wizardry, the the great unraveling will begin

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So how did it happen, /his/?
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>>1727985
Well I like to stuff my cell phone in my ass sometimes
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nobody really knows. under closer inspection evolution is biology's equivalent of "it just werks".

t. not a christfag
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Some people had babies.
Some people died before having babies.

Gradual mutation over generations created progeny that were either better or worse at surviving in their environment long enough to reproduce. See above two steps.

Then God created Adam in his image, eventually killed everyone in a flood, you know the rest.

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Why did nearly all places that were the centers of civilization in antiquity wind up as third world shitholes shitholes today?
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because they moved ever west from civilization to civilization
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>it's an "i don't know anything about a place but i'm sure it's a shithole" episode
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>>1727928
>get universally subjugated by yuropoors
>not shitholes

Why did Indian/Hindu gods have multiple appendages and heads?
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>>1727765
To carry more shit apparently
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>>1727765
To represent their multiple aspects.
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>>1727765
The gods have super-human attributes -- One way to show this visually would be to give them lots of extra bits, literally more than human. Another would be to show them as giants, or shining light out of their eyes, or haloate, or...

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Watching 'Das Boot', and the Captain spends half of his time pissed as fuck with Hitler.

What happened in the battle of the Atlantic? Was the German leadership incompetent or were the allies just too good?
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>>1727671
The Germans focused on submarine warfare simply because they could not take on the Royal Navy in WW1 and WW2. It was this fact that made them so innovative in both wars. There's a great quote at the start of the documentary The Great War with a German Admiral saying a War with the Royal Navy would last 7 days I'm tried to source it.

You know rightly why he was so critical of Hitler... so the film could get made but it is totally within Character he's a crotchety old sea Captain in a miserable...
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>>1727671
Royal Navy got their shit together and started to get really good at ASW that the U-Boat crews never stood a chance at 1942 onwards.
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>>1727671

Just another edgy "I'm one of the cool Germans who hated hitler" attempt.

If you watch any German ww2 movie, you never see a single hitlerite but that's bullshit, about 50% of the people after the war just hated him cause he lost; Hannah reitsch said as much. The reich enjoyed popular support for most of its existence.

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What are some examples of objective good guys in History? Pic related ofc
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>>1727575
you are like a little baby
watch this
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>>1727575
>>1727603

both evil piece of shit

pic related is the only real good guy in history
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even the crusaders thought it was a bro

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two questions.

what killed the holy roman empire?

what killed the >holy >roman >empire meme?
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>>1727496
Napoléon
(you)
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napoleon and the prussian austrian rivalry

as well as the world getting bigger for Europeans
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Oh fuck. I cant stop laughing.
>Holy
>Roman
>empire

Holy shit what a joke this is too good.

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Was there any truth to the Stab-in-the-back myth?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth
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>>1727451
Jews were far more busy dying on the western front alongside non-Jew Germans during WWI. So no.
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Yeah because Germany was doing so well prior
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>>1727451
Not really. It's a pathetic attempt by the military leadership at blaming others for their own failures, aggravated by the German superiority complex.

>The theme of stab-in-the-back was articulated in 1919 most prominently by General Erich Ludendorff, one of the two top German commanders. He blamed the Berlin government and the civilian population for the armistice/surrender of November 1918, saying they had failed to support him, had let him down, and had proved themselves unworthy...
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Why was Shiva blue?
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Because he couldn't get rid of his longings. This made him very sad
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symbolizes the color of the sky/ether
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He's actually white colored because ashes

His neck is blue because he swallowed a poison intended to destroy the world

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CLEOPATRA DID ANYTHING WRONG!!!
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What exactly did Cleopatra do again?
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>>1727353
Got her pussy filled with big black roman cock aka Juilius Caesar and Marc Antony.
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Who are some other historical sluts?

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Let's talk about Gallipoli /his/

What went wrong?

What could have been done to prevent the disastrous invasion?

Was Churchill entirely to blame?

Feel free to add more questions or answer.

Thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZqN1glz4JY
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April 25 1915

Landed on Turkish soil under a terrific fire from enemy entrenchments. Battalion lost about 17 killed and 200 wounded. I lay in the open from 7am till 5pm and did not get a scratch. Dug ourselves in that night; snipers going all night but we did not return their fire. Food for 24hrs: two biscuits and some water.

April 26

9am: Dubliners and Munsters ordered to attack and take village held by enemy snipers. Village taken about 11am - casualties on our side slight. 11.30am: Same regiments ordered to take a strongly held redoubt about 500 yards...
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May 1

About 5pm enemy started a heavy shrapnel fire on our trenches. Three of us were having some tea in rear of our trench when one of them burst overhead and a splinter struck the ground about a foot away from me. 9pm they started an attack: I am sure I will never forget that night as long as I live. They crept right up to our trenches (they were in thousands) and they made the night hideous with yells and shouting Allah, Allah. We could not help mowing them down. Some of them broke through in a part of our line but they never again got back as they were caught between...
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>>1727336
>The Dubs were first to charge

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Islam, the youngest of the three Abrahamic religions, was formed in 600AD. That's ~1400 years ago.

Why hasn't another major religion been formed since then and amassed a large following like Christianity and Islam?

Are there any other religions that have followed the Monotheistic ideology that have been formed since the creation of Islam that have failed because of the power of Christianity and Islam?
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>>1727172
the book of mormon
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because then they'd get sued for copyright infringement by either Islam or Christianity you stupid liberal cuck
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>>1727192
I don't think copyright infringements existed in the 7th century, anon.

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Let's discuss the glory days of tank design. I'll begin the thread with a healthy debate - German Panther vs Russian T34. What's your pick? What's your favorite tank of the war?

Also, any general tank discussion is welcome. Let's not devolve this into any argument that isn't centred around tanks though.
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>>1727004

And FYI my personal favorite is the Panzer IV.
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Muh torsion bar suspension.

But for real, the Panther and T-34 were both bad tanks.

The Panther had awful availability, and the T-34 had awful reliability and awful performance.
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>>1727004

Why? Tank design is pretty much demonstrably less important than tank doctrine and tactics in terms of tank performance.

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Tell me about the prohibition period and 1910-1930s America

It sounds comfy as hell
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>ww1
>mafia everywhere
>great drepression
>comfy

what concept of comfy do you have?
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>Booze was illegal
>You could still DUDE WEED it up

What went right?

>>1726929
Roaring 20's is pretty good.
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>>1726929
1910s and 1930s are pretty shitty but the roaring twenties sound like a fun time to live in

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Who was right during the Falklands and why? And if Argentina invaded the Falklands again tomorrow what would be the outcome and why?
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>>1726907
The British by default.

The people who live on the Falklands want to remain british.
The Argentinians just want the oil.

If the Argentinians tried it again, they'd get their shit stomped in again.
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The UK keeps a larger garrison since the war. The Argies would get decimated yet again.

The Falklands wanted to remain British democratically so Britain was in the right.


youtube.com/watch?v=VKkcTpCur7g

Get this out of the way early.
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It was never Argentinian in the first place. It's a claim they use to drum up patriotic fervour to distract the populace from their shit-tier governance.

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what the fuck was his problem
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autism
>I must unite the mongol peoples under one flag
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>>1726885
>dead parents
>cucked out promised child wife by guy who killed your parents
>some third point something something 420 cannabis kingdom
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>>1726894
this

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/his/, tell me about Rhodesia.
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It was the super duper richest and bestest country in the world before mugabe ruined it!!!1111
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>>1726795
>people still think GDP per capita is an accurate measure of economic progress and not just a number the west strokes themselves to.

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Was Descartes' philosophy the best philosophy?

If we were to quantify a philosophy's "goodness" by having goodness decrease linearly as the number of assumptions required to reach the conclusion of your philosophy increases, Descartes' "i think therefore i am" makes one assumption and reaches a correct conclusion.

Less-good philosophies like a religion usually require a shitload of assumptions in order to be considered logically sound, some of which are contradictory

I'm only asking this because I want to beat Descartes'...
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>implying you can quantify 'goodness'
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>>1726719

if you could sum up Descartes whole philosophy into one sentence, what would it be?
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>>1726719
>Less-good philosophies like a religion
descartes worked for the catholic church that paid for his every meal and roof over his head. his shit was based in self evident truths, its all complete bullshit. his meditations show hes not a complete jackass but his mind-body split is one slippery slope step away from instituionalised schizophrenia (mind-mind split) and that institution is the christian society we live in and the beliefs it upholds. show me some guy with a battle axe cleaving...
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Was he a hero or Villain?
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>>1726713
hero
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>>1726713
villain
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>>1726739
>>1726723
Why though

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Is he a tragic hero?
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>>1726709
Why would he be? He pushed and pushed for a war nobody else wanted, and when he got it he got rekt. Just deserts.
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>>1726709
Yes. Of course.

>Father, Hamlicar, is defeated
>Son, a blood oath over this fire. You must destroy Rome
>Yes father
>ffw
>Leads an army into spain
>Fights through the barbarian scum
>Reaches the alps, crosses, enters Italy
>Rome: HOLY FUCK
>Defeats...
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>>1726823
Too bad that he had already left Italy by the time Rome sent Scipio to Carthage. He was booted out of the boot out due to his strategic failures.

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Utilitarianism easily justifies gang-rape
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>>1726556
Memes say gang rape is bad
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>>1726556

How
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Why justify gang-rape when you've got /d/.
I think I'll pass.

Tell me EVERYTHING you know about the Romans, /his/. Every little minute detail.
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>>1726524
italy is the third western civilisation after crete0 and greek respectively, the fourth is france, the fifth germany, and the sixth is england - to which our current days hegemon stands with its proxy satelites(global bulldogs) of north america & oceania

in b4 shills/ameriboos
what language are you speaking fuckhead?

>1 crete
>2 greece
>3 italy
>4 france
>5...
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why did they wear the togas
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>>1726524
Kingdom that got invaded by Etruscans then became a republic, conquered Carthage and Hispania then the gracci brothers fucked shit up and it became an empire, conquered the whole Mediterranean, converted to Christianity, split, western half got BLOND'D, ere gained and lost italy and hobbled on for another 800 years till the Turks took it out of its misery

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What's your opinion on Christmas

1. As a religious event
2. As a social and economic event
3. Any other thoughts
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Shame the jews Commercialised it but it is the all round best winter holiday. Actually annual holiday.

Can't wait.
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>>1726365
Holidays in general are pretty gay
Why do I have to buy people shit?
Why am I forced to socialize with distant family members I couldn't care less about?
Why am I supposed to be in a jolly mood?
Why is it every holiday commercialized?
Why do I have to pretend that some random day is of any importance?
Holidays never made any sense to me
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>>1726365
1. I'm not religious.
2. It's fun.
3. Fun things are fun.

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>The brittle is the subjective entity existing for itself but it must deploy the difference of the concept. The point becomes the line and posits itself as an opposed extreme to the line; the two are held by their middle term and point of indifference in their antithesis. This syllogism constitutes the principle of shaping in its developed determinacy, and is, in this abstract rigour, magnetism.

>Magnetism is one of the determinations which inevitably became prominent when thought began to recognise itself in determinate...
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Who do we REALLY know what the fuck magnets be
I mean we can perceive magnets and see evidence of magnetism and can experience magnetism and conjecture models of magnetism but how do we really KNOW what fucking magnets is
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>>1726264
God this is the dumbest word wanking I've ever seen.
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>>1726279
Here he is explaining chemicals

>The individuality of the body is the negative unity of the concept, which is not self-positing simply as an immediate entity and an unmoved generality, but only in the mediation of the process. The body is therefore a product, and its shape a presupposition, for which the end that it will ultimately achieve is also presupposed. The particularisation of the body, however, does not stop at either mere inert diversity or the opposition between different attributes...
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>post
>neo/new
>meta
>anti
>proto
>anarcho-
>anarcha-
>ironically
>problematic
>"fascist"
>"homoerotic" (never "heteroerotic")
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Did you mean to post on /b/ or /r9k/?
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damn you sure showed them words
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>>1726245
Looks like someone is post-friendly and new-upset.

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Paying attention to recent politics has really hammered home some things.

All social sciences are stamp collecting exercises at best and an attempt to monopolise either common sense or bullshit at worst. It seems that there is a huge class of unintelligent people with degrees (almost always in social science or humanities subjects) who treat social scientists (or "experts") as all knowing prophets. "Disliking Islam is irrational" "Supporters of X are conveying their Authoritiarian Loving personalities". Its not new.

Even though Economics...
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>>1726178
>sorry for the blog post guys
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Thats why instead of getting an education I just read david duke's blog
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you sound extremely frustrated with your inability to give context to anything but what you consider as scientific, try to go out more and understand that metaphors and axioms are what reality is made of.

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>live a good life helping others
>upon death, get thrown into a sun made of lava because I could not believe that some guy was the son of some other guy who made the world

Wew
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Used to think just like you anon, but the sin there is arrogance, thinking you have the world so worked out in your limited experience and refusing to have a relationship with your creator.

t. Dante
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>>1726150
>Its arrogance not to believe in the Christian God.
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>>1726150
>thinking you have the world so worked out in your limited experience
>god exists, jesus had magical powers, of this I am certain without conclusive evidence
>totes not arrogant tho

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I'd like to start to read more from ancient philosophers. I've already read a bit from Epicurus and Democritus.
Whose work and in what order would you recommend to me?
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>>1726012
Do you know Greek?

If not, learn Greek first.
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>>1726020
Can't I just read the translations?
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>>1726024
Most translations are quite bad and/or clumsy. Many technically good older translations were made by the educated and for the educated (who would be familiar with the source material anyway) and are less concerned with faithfulness and more with the literary skill of the translator. You will always be reading "Ancient Author as interpreted by Translator" rather than the original.

Some translations can be good and faithful for the most part, but you will be unable to judge this without knowing Greek/Latin....
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Racial relations, or tribalism in general , is a prisoner's dilemma problem.

It only makes sense for a group of people to give up tribalism if all other groups also give up tribalism.
It makes sense for a group of people to believe that relations with another group of people are cordial and to bear them no ill will or suspicion if race relations genuinely are cordial and the other group bears them negligible ill will and suspicion.

Thoughts?
What answer do modern, progressive liberals have for this other than acting against your self interest and hoping...
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>>1725973
>What answer do modern, progressive liberals have for this other than acting against your self interest and hoping that in effect the other group will in enough time show you mercy and suffering until that time comes?
I'm a modern, progressive liberal and I don't think we should give up tribalism, I don't even think it is possible for a human to give up tribalism.
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>>1725995
that is in effect what is being called for when people call for no borders and say that people who call themselves refugees and want to live in a country should be provided for simply because htey are human beings.

If you don't agree with either of these things then you aren't what I'm referring to.
I'm talking about the kind of progressive lefties you find on college and university campuses and who write for huffington post, salon, guardian comment is free, the guardian, slate, vox, etc.
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It is also in someone's self-interest to hire a black guy for lower wages instead of an equally qualified white guy despite the klan encouraging him not to. So there is an internal prisoner's dilemma among the dominant race.

There is much to be said for Ayn Rand's brand of uncompromising individualism. The collectivists imagine a utopia where everyone cooperates, but in reality you get a situation where ordinary people are spooked into choosing "cooperate" while the leadership secretly chooses "defect" and covers it up. If everyone chose...
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