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Strange to think this is how English could have been without so much French influence, anyone got any other readings of old euro languages? Interesting subject

https://youtu.be/zfaEGU45lKA
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but then you would still have the nordic influences
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>>1659622
I don't see the issue here
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>>1659612
I was looking for a video that had a fable in the closest we've come to recreating proto indo european but I couldn't find it so here's some Beowulf in Old English

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH-_GwoO4xI

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European-based/European-descended civilization worldwide peaked overall in the year 1913.

Discuss.
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>>1659595
that would be the 90's
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>>1659616
I'm not talking about just NATO members. I'm talking about a time when Euro countries didn't just run the show, but completely dominated everything.
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>>1659624
>european descended nations
>ergo the US
Guess who was undisputed top dog of the world during the 90's.

>"The great emperor of the Turks does with as great devotion as any prince in the world honour and observe the religion by him received from his ancestors, and yet detests he not the strange religions of others; but on the contrary permits every man to live according to his conscience: yes, and that more is, near unto his palace at Pera, suffers four diverse religions viz. that of the Jews, that of the Christians, that of the Grecians, and that of the Mahometans"

Why don't the Turks get more credit for being inclusive and tolerant...
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>>1659546
Because nobody cares about that obscure, shaded corner peninsula next to Yurop.

/thread
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>>1659546
Because nationalist propaganda.
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>>1659546
That of the Grecians? Does he mean Hellenism or Orthodoxy?

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Shouldn't it simply have been called the ß?
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lmao thats actually so true
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>>1659537
The fuck? Why would it just be called B?
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>>1659543
Baddies

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ITT: Biggest JUSTs of history
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>>1659529
more like biggest KEKs of history

it's what he got for marrying a escort whore
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>>1659529
>be russia
>have communist revolution
>goodboi Nicholas gets killed
>change into ussr
>mass killings and starvations occur
>suffer more than when nicholas was in charge
JUST
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>>1659536
t. procopius

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Tell me about the wars in Chechnya /his/. Bonus points for people who post dreary pics of slavs.
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I am also interested in this topic.
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>Chechens win the first war miraculously
>fuck themselves over and invade Dagestan thinking the local populous with support them - most don't
>get btfo
>second war starts
>Russia counter invades
>levels the capital, Russians conquer them with ease
>low level insurgency ever since
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a guy named dudaev wanted to make an independent state based around oil money but russia didn't want to let him go + kavkaz crime gangs having their share in the business + russian oligarchs having their share in the business + yeltsin needing pr for his voting campaign

the result is over 20,000 young russians slaughtered and the entire kavkaz region being radicalized to unrecognizable levels and nowadays russia paying the new leader kadyrov subsidies so that the region wouldn't chimp out again

don't have pics atm but here's a video

https://youtu.be/oJhDHmY4pqU?t=23


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Why was it such a fucking flop?

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Rising

>Half of Dublin in ruins
>Hundreds of civilian dead
>Rebel leaders shot
>Only 100 British soldiers killed

Why is such a failure of a "rebellion" which was in reality little more than a fucking skirmish so celebrated by the Eternal Mick?
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>>1659437
B/c Micks have no other accomplishments worthy of note, my British friend.
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>nation tries to stand up for itself
>said nation does eventually gain independence

Not hard to see why they would celebrate it, you dense Anglo nigger.

t. proud Deutsche-Amerikan who will never trust the Anglo
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>>1659449
> proud Deutsche-Amerikan
t. an American

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Can we talk about the Gulf war?
I swear nobody ever talks about it. Really weird.
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>>1659434
35 years rule
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>>1659434
>It's a "US bombs the everliving shit out of an enemy military with little conflict on the ground until the enemy military has been mostly wiped the fuck out" episode
It isn't talked about because there isn't much to talk about.

>>1659464
25*. It barely fits into the scope of the board, but it does fit into the scope of the board.
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>>1659434
What is there to discuss?

Christology debate time, for the non-ironic Christians here.

Does God/Jesus have only one nature and only one will?

Or two separate natures and two wills, one human and one divine?

Or Jesus had two natures in one person except that he only had a divine will and no human will?

And so on..

Choose wisely, for answering wrongly makes you a heretic.
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>>1659420
>Christology
Kek that is a thing.
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>>1659420
>Choose wisely, for answering wrongly makes you a heretic.

Funny you say that, reading and believing in anything but the words which appear in the OT is actual heresy. If you do not practice the OT word for word, you're a heretic. It's pretty explicit about that too. Deuteronomy is a fun read.
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1 nature, human.

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Is he crying or just preparing for his performance?
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>>1659396

both t b h f a m
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>>1659396
He's not crying, just devastated because he realizes his country's done for after losing that battle but the nobility don't give a shit.
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Wow that seriously must be the best painting I've ever seen. The painter being completely unable to accurately render an emotive human face says a lot about the Polish condition.

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Let's discuss the history of the Jewish people

What is your favorite era concerning them?

What books would you recommend on Jewish history/religion/philosophy?
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Holocaust goyim
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>>1659355
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>>1659378
>>1659402

damn come on fellas let's have some actual discussion

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>>"At that time they say that the Emperor Honorius in Ravenna received the message from one of the eunuchs, evidently a keeper of the poultry, that Rome had perished. And he cried out and said, 'And yet it has just eaten from my hands!' For he had a very large cock, Rome by name; and the eunuch comprehending his words said that it was the city of Rome which had perished at the hands of Alaric, and the emperor with a sigh of relief answered quickly: 'But I thought that my fowl Rome had perished.' So great, they say, was the folly...
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Who the fuck calls their dick Rome
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>>1659329
>roaming all over your face
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That's absolutely hilarious

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Muret
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beneventum_(275_BC)
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>>1659286
>Autoresolved
What did you mean by this?

Why did only western classical music gain prominence all around the world?
Where are all the world famous indian, chinese or arabian composers/compositions?
>inb4 /mu/
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>>1659240
>why is western music so prevalent in the west
Okay?
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>>1659240
West is Best
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>>1659240
Just because you don't know anything about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. How old are you?

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In the year 3000 how do you think people will look back at us?

We'll be one of the first millenniums to have the ability of storing photographic and video data for hundreds of years. It'll be insane in even 100 years
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is that book good anon
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>>1659063

>what? They didnt even have glarbostunks?

>they did that? Well, you cant judge them too harshly, they were a pre-bregorshnakian society anyway

>and if you didnt have money, you would not be able to buy food! That's right, by the turn of the millenia, food was still not socialized

>what are these doctors? They protected them from what? Death? Whats that?
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Are any diary's, personal accounts etc from early times in history written by fairly common people?
There's tons from the Romans and Greeks but not much from times like 800 - 1000 AD. It's like a bunch of people forgot how to write , or maybe the Roman/Greek literature was better preserved or is more looked over across the centuries.

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Why are the crusades so overrated? French invade and fight outnumbered Muslims, Jerusalem was defended by outnumbered Nubians for fucks sake. When the French faced real opponents they got btfo, failed invasion of eygpt, lost edessa, Saladin btfo French at hattin, French King got himself captured by Eygptians etc
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Can someone post that pasta about how to distinguish the franks from the french?

Anyway, "frank" during the time of the crusades referred to western yuros. Calling them french is incorrect even if most them came from france.
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>>1659046
>mfw playing CK2 right now
Crusades especially to the Levant are fucking pain in the butt. Half your army die on the way and if anyone decides to fuck you in the ass while you are out crusading, you have no way to defend yourself. And then even if you win and get the Kingdom of Jerusalem created, Ayrabs will jihad you every 10 years and you get zero help from Europe.
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>>1659056
>Anyway, "frank" during the time of the crusades referred to western yuros.
If you were a Saracen in the middle ages, sure. For anyone else, especially someone from the 21st century, no, that's not how it works.

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>Germans spent over 1000 years role-playing as Romans
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So did these cucks. Pic related
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>>1658973
Kys
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>>1658973
Byzantines were the righful heirs of the roman empire. The other big difference was that being greek was actually acceptable so they went with it

So besides Gibbon and Carlyle what are some other history books with good prose?
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Hume
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John Julius Norwich isn't much of a historian imo but he's got a penchant for cracking wise and generally being a banter merchant. He's a very witty writer, though a mediocre historian. His books are good as long as you supplement them with something more academic.

In terms of proper historians, Kathleen Hughes was also a poet in addition to her historical work and it really shows, she writes beautifully. Elizabeth Longford is the same, though some of her work is a bit outdated now. Her biography of the Duke of Wellington, Years of the Sword, is riddled...
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>>1658888
The history of the conquest of Peru and the history of the conquest of Mexico by William Prescott. They are also still good history books.

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Former Soviet Union leader Josef Stalin believed that he could predict people’s character by examining their poop. He was so serious about this belief that he even dedicated a whole department of the state secret police just to examine people’s poop. The target of his poop tests were world leaders, one of whom was Mao Tse-tung.

Stalin disconnected Mao’s toilet from the sewers during his visit to Moscow in 1949 and reconnected it to special boxes, from which his poop was taken for analysis. Interestingly, Mao believed that his room was bugged by Stalin and would...
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That's bullshit but I believe it.
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>>1658808
Not OP but when asked the FSB responded with "No comment", which oretty much speaks for itself.
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>>1658808
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35427926

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Was Atatürk white?
What was his ethnic background?
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>>1658735
jewish
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>>1658735
>Was Atatürk white?
Who knows what white even means? He's a turk, which means he could be literally anything from a genetic point of view, you can't know without testing his dna.
>What was his ethnic background?
Turkish. His opponents used to say he was an islamized jew, or a slav bevause of his colouring, but there's no proof of either.
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>>1658773
Evrytiem

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Is Odin real /his/?
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Yes, he's a demon like all false gods.
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>>1658646
Real.
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>>1658646
No.

Nimrod is his real name. Nimrod of Babylon, the mighty hunter standing against God.

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What did he get right?
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>>1658624
Literally nothing.
A perfect example of where disregarding moral self restraint for degeneracy will get you.
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>>1658624
Fashion sense.
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>>1658624
Literally everything.
A perfect example of throwing off absolutist bullshit for free thinking will get you.

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Was Achilles gay?
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>>1658604
No. Fucking Patroclus' boy pussy didn't make him gay. He was an erastes and Patroclus was his eromenos.
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I'm sure he was. Diomedes was way more of a badass.
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>>1658618
Diomedes is the hardest motherfucker in the Iliad.

>despite being a literally who background character for much of the poem has a full on aristeia where he smashes the enemy
>longest battle frenzy in the entire poem, longer even than Achilleus' own
>starts climbing the walls of Troy
>the gods literally shit themselves at the idea of this fag breaking fate and taking Troy early

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What did he mean by this, /his/?
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>>1658567
Most convincing argument is that some medical man manufactured it to give himself an air of ancient/esoteric wisdom

The writing is gibberish, since it evades all statistical and linguistic analysis
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>>1658584
IIRC it does contain certain logic patterns in the writing so as to make of certain planned symbolic
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpZD_3D8_WQ

This linguistics professor is onto something. He's taking the same approach that was taken to translate hyeroglyphs before, by identifying and transliterating proper names first.

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I can't be the only one appalled by the horribly inaccurate/anachronistic portrayal of the Romans in film; e.g. The Eagle, Gladiator.

Leather armor. Srsly, fucking leather armor.
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Well enlighten us then, Mr. Roman intellectual
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>army marching in a neat formation
>lines of men break off and order up 1 after the other
>they all turn 90 degrees and stomp their feet down at the same time
>the leader says a speech
>all of them suddenly break out of formation and charge the enemy

>later in the middle of the fight they get into the testudo formation
>they fight in melee in the testudo formation
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>>1658528

Nick Land general
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I like Nick Land.
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>>1658482
Is he the one who thinks aliens invented capitalism?
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>>1658482
I'm surprised you guys are talking about him. He's cool as fuck. I wonder how long it is until his next breakdown.

>>1660016
close. he thinks that capitalism itself is an alient life-form. he conceptualized intelligence as a form of reverse-entropy that organized order in matter and seeks patterns of reality to reorganize. capitalism is a higher level of order that has found a way to subordinate us into its structure. he thinks capitalism, by the point...
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Has there ever been a serious attempt at making a history of this site?

We have a way of communicating with each other that could be considered its own dialect, a mixture of different layers of irony and memes that is utterly incomprehensible to outside viewers. Even subtle things that we don't even think about before using, like
>how can __________ compete
or even just
>implying

In a lot of ways the culture of this place has become more distinct than a lot of modern national cultures, and...
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>>1658477

Why would you want to?

For the benefit of whom?

There's millions of internet forums out there, each with their own set of rules and jokes. This one is in no way unique. The concept of an internet forum is worth documenting, 4chan isn't.
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>>1658487
>internet forums
You mean those things that are all dead because of Facebook and Reddit that 4chan has outlived by a long shot?
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>>1658477
http://tanasinn.info/wiki/Complete_History_of_4chan

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Tell me about homo idaltus.
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>>1658450
He was gay
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Are modern negroids their descendants ?
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>>1658450
Why does he wear the Loin Cloth?

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Can any Catholic explain why this is makes sense?

>"Eastern Catholics" commemorate Mark of Ephesus
>"Syro-Malabar Catholics" not only commemorate "Saint" Nestorius, they actually use a liturgy ascribed to him

Do Catholics literally not care about doctrinal issue so long as you say the Pope is the boss?
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>>1658444
All the eastern churches at least nominally subscribe to a roman Catholic understanding of Dogma, aside from that they can pretty much do whatever they want
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The church is not powerful enough to enforce strict dogmatic following anymore. If they pressure the eastern churches, they might just split off
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>>1658480
How is that the Orthodox can maintain unity of doctrine better than Catholics, who have a Pope? Isn't the point of the Pope to ensure Catholics don't have to play the Anglican game of saying doctrine doesn't matter?

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Why was Jacob such an asshole to Esau?
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>>1658344

I don't know if it's a motivation entirely on its own, but at least in the original Hebrew, Esau talks like some sort of semi-retarded barbarian.

For instance, in the story where Esau sells his birthright to Jacob in Genesis 25, he literally says in 25:30

הַלְעִיטֵנִי נָא מִן-הָאָדֹם הָאָדֹם הַזֶּה

Which again, if we translated it at its most basic, would be

>Let me swallow please, that red, the red in that bowl.

Where...
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>>1658369
You'd think a man would show pity on his retarded brother, though.
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>>1658425

True, but don't forget, said brother was trying to assert his leadership and claiming the firstborn right, which was a big deal in old Semitic culture. It's best for the family if someone like that isn't running things.


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