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Which invasion of Germany/Europe was more devastating, the Soviet one during/after WW2 or the current Muslim one?
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>>2027133

Soviets didn't invade anything, they just took land back from Nazis and made puppet states.

Nazis killed millions of people and conquered much of Europe.

Muslims today are coming as refugees or economic migrants and commit crimes in Europe.

In terms of total damage, Nazis. In terms of long term damage, is yet to be seen.
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"moderate" Muslims in Europe are circle jerking to the idea having semi autonomous control of entire cities and have no intention of truly integrating

it's not gonna end well
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>>2027133
That picture is shit, because the woman represents the mythological Europa, mother of king Minos, the supposed 1st king of Crete (which is the first proven organized European state).

So, hang on. Had there been taxation *with* representation, then America today would be a constitutional monarchy under Great Britain and the 'Guvnah General would be the most powerful man in America and the brits would have defeated Jerry in 1939 because they would have sent their American subjects in to slap their shit?
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>>2027120
No. Because taxation without representation was not the actual reason for the revolution. The actual reason was a group of British educated local aristocrats saw that they could attain more power for themselves and their communities if they tore the colonies away from the home country. As soon as there was a perceived slight they made their move. It was the same in every colony's history from Roman Batavia and Icenia down to British India and Mexico. As soon as a local class of educated elites appear in a colony...
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>>2027120
>defeated Jerry in 1939
What about WWI?
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>>2027135
More cannon fodder. 'Spose they would have human wave tactic'd the yanks to victory, though.

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Was the Spanish Inquisition THAT ruthless?
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They were pretty brutal in the Netherlands i remember it as.
Did a good job at making sure you can read through all of Spain's notable literature with one single book.
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>>2027076

It was pretty brutal, but no where near the level it is usually depicted in media
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Spain confirmed to be the saviors and garants of catholic faith. We fought against muzzies and protties at the same time meanwhile we were converting the pagans from America.

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tax is theft
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>>2027038
It's the price you pay for living in a civilised society.
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countries with low taxes and massive tax evasion are absolute shitholes
countries with high taxes and competent tax collection agencies are good places to live


really excites my action potentials...
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Yep, it should be more honestly called tribute. I'm still a proponent in certain circumstances but people who don't have it's elimination on their political agenda are the lowest of the low.

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Is there a more pointless discipline than epistomology?
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>>2026943
nihilism
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>>2026977
Many times two are connected.
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>>2026943
Before shittalking a field, you should write it correctly.

That being said, to answer that question, you actually need epistemology.

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What was the point of forcing everyone to cut their hair the same way?
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It was a move by the Manchu ruling elite to have the Han wear a humiliating sign of obedience.
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>>2026946
>humiliating sign of obedience.
I think the hairstyle looks snazzy.
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>>2026940
If someone can force you to wear such a cuckish haircut, you know you're a cuck and they're the bull

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How meaningful is left and right scale? Was is true only for XIX century or can held up today?
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it's as meaningful as you want it to be, and is just as arbitrary as it was in the 19th century

you can use whatever you want as the wedge in the center dividing the two sides

There were "left" and "right" wings of the communist party of the Soviet union
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>>2026936
Don't forget about left-right wing that tried to conpire against Stalin.
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>>2026931
The person who made this seems to have a bad understanding of how axes on a graph are supposed to work.

As a guy from the South part of America, we learned that the South fought in the Civil War b/c of state rights and one of the main reason were to keep slaves. Everyone goes and assumes for PC reasons, but

1. Slaves were the main source of labor for a mostly rural area where their main source of income was crops compared to the north which was more in trades and services.
2. Even after the war ended most of them became sharecroppers anyways as they could not find jobs.

Maybe the south realized that alot of them would not be economically stable to support themselves and their economy would be in ruins. Wouldn't slavery would have just died off later as we industrialized and people realized slaves were inefficient?

Can we talk about this shit instead of "muh human rights" causes and see why the South might not have liked the notion of all their slaves/"basically their source of economic profit" gone?
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Slavery was doing nothing but expand up until the 1860s as your own chart indicates, it is possible that it might have died off later but it would not have occurred for considerable time. The South's economy wasn't stagnate and growing poorer as some early historiography might have thought, but instead was growing effectively off the backs of slave labor.
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>>2026927
>Wouldn't slavery would have just died off later as we industrialized and people realized slaves were inefficient?

That is what Lincoln wanted to do. He was anti-slavery but wanted to end it smoothly and gradually as the economy transitioned, and for the time being merely stopping its spread.

This was completely unacceptable to the south, which wanted slavery forever and everywhere and refused to even consider alternatives.
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OP understand that the south wanted to expand slavery westward. How could it die out if it was expanding further along.

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Did people ever actually go on quests? Killing animals attacking the villagers, rescuing princesses, clearing out bandit caves, destroying one rings etc?
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>>2026888
> Killing animals
> attacking the villagers
Looks like an average african day to me.
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Yes but a lot of it outside of actual war was just larping.

Knights would kidnap girls just to give other knights the opportunity to rescue them.
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In some tribes killing beasts could been a part of the ritual to became a man.

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Who is a good male role model for the 21st century?
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>>2026877
Vladimir Putin
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Zyzz
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Barack Obama

Where were you when you realized Goebbels had a wife's son?
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>>2026856
I was reading this thread.

Did he survive the war? From the shade of his uniform I'm going to assume he didn't.
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>>2026856
And this wife's son was the only one that actually looked ubermensch.
>National socialism
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>>2026865

Wasn't Goebbels himself kind of a beta scrub who was semi-crippled?

What does /his/ think of Ungern Khan?
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>>2026807
based
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>>2026858
This

>Ungern-Sternberg inverted Western fears of the "Yellow Peril", arguing that the West was morally corrupt and degenerate with the forces of "mad revolution" controlled by the Jews were running amok while the East had mostly maintained its moral purity, and he would lead a pan-Asian army to cleanse the West of its sickness via a bloodbath.
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>>2026807
He was a hero who shined too brightly

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Silk Is Not That Important
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bitches want diamonds and betas will buy it for them and it was the same with silk back in the day
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>>2026725
yeh but the road is
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A durable, comfortable fabric that takes readily to dyes and looks appealing to the eye is goddamn important when your choices aren't that.

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Did the Romans really claim Troyan legacy?
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WE
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Sort of. Ancient mythmaking is not a stupidly primitive idea like some people today seem to think it is, and it isn't exactly accurate to say they "claimed" the legacy. It's more that there were ideas floating around that the Roman people were tied to the survivors of Troy who had fled after the war to explain various parts of their culture, why they were a powerful civilization that didn't rise in the Greek east, why they were of equal status to Greek intellectualism and culture, why they had a right to conquer the Greeks etc. Virgil formalised the...
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The main purpose was to bring themselves into the Hellenic sphere - of history, mythology, and importance.

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I've been hearing this a lot in relation to to ISIS and current events:

"Islam is a newer religion, it just hasn't had its enlightenment yet"

What do they mean by this?
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People don't know anything about the history of Islam or the history of Christianity but try to make superficial connections anyway.

Like when stupid people say ISIS is conservative/ old school Islam. They don't know what they're talking about.
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That's bullshit from people who don't understand the cycles of history.

Islam belongs to a civilisation that is a thousand years older than ours, and it's a purist reform, not the founding religion of its civilisation. It would be analogous to puritanism in the West, if puritanism had succeeded in taking over all of Western Europe.

In fact if anything the Islamic world is worse now than it's ever been. Compare the liberal Muslims of the 10th/11th centuries (who were only liberal because they had a more relaxed attitude towards their own religion)...
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Islamism actually had its age of "enlightenment" or whatever you call it really early on, and was relatively enlightened up until the 13th century when the mongols and turks destroyed everything. There were philosophers, religious pluralism, even atheists and secularist philosophers.

The thing is, the Ottoman Empire really held the entire region back for 500 years so by the time the ottoman emprie fell, the region had a lot of catching up to do.

In the decolonisation era, around the 50's, 60's, and 70's, the Arab world was incredibly secular and modern. However around the same period there was the rise of Islamist fanatic movements.

These were supported mostly by western governments who opposed the secular socialist regimes (i.e. Nasser, Saddam, Assad, etc.) and with the defeat of the soviet union, the secular socialist movements took a massive hit. western backed islamism gained the upper hand, and with backing of Saudi Arabia has hyper mutated into some ultra-radical extremist genocidal form, like we see in ISIS today.

ISIS is basically wahabism on steroids. Wahabism is a relatively new ideology that started in the Nejd desert in the 19th century, it basically seeks to destroy everything and return everything to a primitive and "pure" state, thats why its ultimately destructive in everything.

Wahabism descends from the same khawarij which appeared in early islam. Basically these are the same people originated from the Nejd desert who rejected the authority of the early caliphates because they hated their disruption to their way of life, they just wanted to stay primitive and backwards in the desert and wanted to destroy or take down anything that tried to change that. All they want is their very primitive desert life and they want to destroy everything back to that "pure" state, its all they've ever wanted.

The west exploits this to prevent modernisation in the region, to keep it backwards, undeveloped, and exploitable.

The more you read history, the more you realize that she is right
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>>>/pol/
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Here's your reply.

If dunecoons/nigs/gooks didn't get btfo they'd do the same thing if not worse.
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>>2026639
They didn't though, so this is just baseless speculation

Just apologize

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https://youtu.be/UmSq0htLgak

Literally watch this video and tell me why you think the academia-media-publishing industrial complex is great.

Does /his/ seriously take these types of political scientists and historians when they give their pseudo intellectual justifications for why history shows you should vote for X?
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Did people actually think that the we'ed see 'the end of history' after the Soviet union fell and all nation would become westeriesd liberal democracies, or is that guy talking complete shit?

If they did they were it was total hubris and they desevre to fall .
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>>2026772
You do realise most people in Western countries believed that at some point, to an extent?

Your parents probably did
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>>2026774
My parents don't believe what most people do, neither do I. So you can't make that assumption.

why does western media always suck Rommel's dick and present him as some apolitican gentleman soldier when in fact he was a hardcore Nazi and fanatical supporter of Hitler?

Also related, why do they always portray the July 20 plot as some liberal pro-democratic movement when in fact they were all hardcore nationalists that knew they were losing the war and wanted to replace Hitler as leaders of Germany so they could sue for peace with the allies and keep the occupied territories?
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>>2026451
memes.
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Mostly for propaganda reasons, it made the allies look better if they said they defeated a top tier German general. He was the main general the allied forces were fighting from 41-43.

The real king of the Wehrmacht was pic related.
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what western media is sucking rommel's dick? please tell me I would love to know.

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Why did life seem more fun in the 50s
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Because the war was over.
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because you like to look at cherrypicked images and filter out the bad stuff.
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>>2026426
prewar

America
Top but not quite

Europe
Top

Africa/Asia
Euro owned and dominated and economic cucks

SA
lol irrelevant

Postwar

America
USA USA USA

Rest of the world
destitute and in ruins/ irrelevant

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If God is real and there is an afterlife, why should I care about this world?

Why should I care about my education, politics, global warming (inb4 global warming not real, that's not the point) my health or my freedom?

Why shouldn't I just fuck the society and spend my whole life praying?

Isn't this life meaningless if there's an afterlife that lasts forever?
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no this life means everything because there is an afterlife where things last forever
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>>2026250
Why are you assuming that all it takes is praying?
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Hence why many early Christians sects and "heresies" were life-denying, anti-natalist and even anarchich/antinomian.

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ITT: We try to do a better cover for a Sabaton song.
>protip: we can't
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>>2026236

IT WAS THE CURRENT YEAR
THE CURRENT YEAR OF ALARMING FEAR
STORMING SOLDIERS OF MUD
WITH DIFFERENT BLOOD
WHILE THE IMMIGRANTS OF MUUD FLOOOOOOOD!

THEN OUR CAVALIERS
WOULD UNITE AND CHARGE
AN ARMY OF 29100 LARGE
SPILLED BLOOD FOR THEIR HONOR
WOULD SEE THEIR FALLEN BROTHER
UNDER THE BANNER OF NI-GEL FARRAGE

(guitar solo)

THE PEASANTS ACCUSE THEIR KIN
THEY ARE FIGHTING AGAINST US WITHIN
AIDING THE SOLDIERS OF MUD
TURBAN AND BEAR-DEDDDDD
WHERE THE BLOOD STAINED...
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>>2026727
Kek
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>>2026236
>>2026727
>not historical
May as well not be a Sabaton song then.

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Whats your opinion on deng xiaoping and Chinese history after mao in general /his/
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>>2026170
awful
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>>2026172
This
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>>2026170
The Cultural Revolution was a complete mess initiated by Mao who was paranoid after the rest of the Communist Party was beginning to largely pin the massive fuckup that was the Great Leap Forward on him. The Cultural Revolution cemented China's place as a plastic cultureless shithole. It's pretty in some places, but it's still a shithole.

Deng Xiaoping was an authoritarian bastard. Hu Jintao was a lot better.

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Why aren't you a Mormon yet, /his/?
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>>2026098
That underwear doesn't look comfy enough.
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Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
Everything you've heard about Mormonism from South Park and the media is true, they're crazy cultist tier. When I stopped going to church they sent guys to my house to check up on me. When I moved two states away for work several months later, they tracked me down and sent some of the locals out to grill me. Stay away.
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>>2026098
because it's whack.

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Why don't you go to Varg for all of your European history, /his/?
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because i go to /his/
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>varg.jpg
Stop making Varg threads

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What is the best book on the french revolution? like exhaustive in it's detail.
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The French Revolution was the start of the true dark ages, not sure why you'd want to read about it
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>>2025715
that sounds kind of fucking important
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>>2025715
Its the greatest event in human history

Miles quidam, cui barba longa maximae curae erat, histrionem quendam graviter offendit neque ullam poenam ei dare voluit. Quamquam alii milites eum hortabantur ut histrioni aliquid daret, ne quid detrimenti caperet, miles ille quicquam se ei daturum esse negabat.
Quodam die, cum venisset ad balneas publicas, histrio ille eum iam exspectabat. Et cum simul essent in balneis, pyxidem prompsit plenam unguenti depilativi, cui militis fallendi causa aliqua aromata addiderat et faciem totam unguere coepit. Quod cum miles aliquod tempus spectavisset, “Quod unguentum ita aromaticum...
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It says that you must always put on your seatbelts. Safety first kids.
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>>2025465
Bump!
I can help you.
Where did you get this text from? I'm guessing it's medieval Latin
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>>2025465
prima pars:
Some soldier, whose long beard was his biggest care, deeply offended an actor and didm't want to give him any money. Even though the other soldiers urged him to give the actor something, so he wouldn't catch any mischief (?), this soldier refused to give him anything.

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As I'm sure everyone who posts on /his/ knows. Karl Marx was an enormously influential thinker; he created a system of analysis which highlighted perceived issues and instabilities of the economic/political system of his day, and both advocated and predicted its imminent collapse, and the ushering in of a new, more vibrant and stable form of society.

However, despite quite a bit of time passing, and the pace of political life increasing exponentially, widespread capitalist collapse has not happened and does not seem as if it is likely to happen anytime soon, and seems to require fundamental re-alterations of things even beyond what Marx predicted in order to unseat capitalism, such as the acquisition of post scarcity.

This then brings the question of why. You have entire reams of academic papers about why it hasn't happened, why Marx was either dead wrong, or why he was right but the appropriate conditions for capitalistic collapse and replacement have not happened.

Most of these analyses focus on Marx's economics. They have focused on the economics and generally spun in circles, not getting anywhere.They instead, should be focused on the politics: While it's true that economics and politics are interrelated, they are not the same thing, and it is possible to some degree mix and match political systems and economic systems. Back in feudal eras, you had republics, and monarchies of many different stripes, ranging from elected to absolute, and this did not suddenly change with the replacement of feudal manor economies to more urbanized trade economies.


1/3
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>>2025405


Marx's political analysis is relatively simple. Following the economic patterns of whatever society we're talking about, you have a dominant economic class, and a subservient exploited economic class: Currently, the dominant economic class are the owners of capital, and the exploited is pretty much everyone else. The dominant economic class sets up a system of governance that primarily speaks to their interests, tossing just enough of a scrap to the marginal class to keep it from destroying the system...
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>>2025405
>>2025407
People are GIVEN power, by the people at the bottom rung of the society. There are a number of reasons why anyone would consent to this, but the subordination of will happens from weak to strong, not the other way around, and as enough of the weak give power away, then the people in whom it is given have the means to acquire more. The upper class is politically dominant not because they've clawed their way to the top, but because they're pushed...
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I will admit, OP. Your post really made me think. I love /pol/ now.

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Name one thing the ancients did better than the Medievals.
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>>2025306
Paganism.
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>>2025306
Infrastructures and architecture
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>>2025308
>implying the Catholic church didn't outdo them in even that

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What makes American Protestants so bad ?
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>>2025044
They actually believe the bible
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>>2025086

This.
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>>2025086
Yea, this is the answer. It is mostly their literal interpretations that makes them terrible.

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Is ww1 the worst conflict in history?
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It was amazing.

It was better than the huge meme that was WW2, in my serene opinion.
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Irish Civil War, in which "I hate the Brits" vs "I really hate the Brits" duked it out for superiority, killing their own best and brightest holds the crown currently

Notable mention - Lebanese Civil War, where factions backed by Israel, USA and Iran had a three war tag team battle royale
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