What are your favorite languages, and what parts of those languages make them your favorite? Also what is your most hated language?
Flemish I love because it sounds so fucking CUTE:
Also Finnish and Icelandic for similar reasons. There are very few harsh sounds (with Flemish it's basically dutch without the hard gggggggg throat sound) and it sounds very pleasant even when people are angry.
Also I like the Mayan languages because the writing system gets so awesome, and it has pretty weird hard consonant clusters. Also the ɬ sound where you like use your cheeks, like like NahuaTL or TenochtiTLan:
Last cute language is Gaelic, here's a good example of scottish gaelic:
Lastly, fuck German.
I actually really love german. My favoring of it probably comes from a german girl i knew years back, something about how she spoke it stuck with me.
As for hated languages, Danish and Finnish should honestly be banned, i refuse to believe either of them were meant to be spoken by humans.
danish is just potatoes lmao
norwegian and swedish are infinitely superior
it takes the funnyness of finnish but amplifies it to a gorillion
finnish i will say i wouldn't really want to learn it, estonian is a more pleasurable version of it, finnish is just too...archaic sounding
like almost proto indo european
speaking of which, basque is kinda like that too
its humanities you cretin
>language history isn't history
i dare any of you to do the Bergen Skarre R:
here's a vocaroo:
Not the one you quoted, but: "The humanities include ancient and modern languages", taken from the second paragraph.
That being said, I like latin. Hella difficult to learn though, since everyone who spoke the classic version died way before people cared about recording pronunciation methods. I've been trying to learn classical latin, but most of the time I use ecclesiastical material to study.
vocaroo it and ill try
>Welcome to /his/ - History & Humanities
> This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages,
>anthropology, ancient languages,
You fucking cunt, stop degrading your language with that disgusting Franco-Germano-Danish monstrosity.
OK, history of guttural "r":
1600s: Some French aristocrat can't roll their r's properly, so they roll it in their throat instead. This is widely considered a speech defect in languages that have yet to be corrupted.
For whatever reason, this person never gets over their speech defect, and they're popular enough that other people start copying them.
The abomination has started to filter down to the French people en masse, but the traditional rolled r still remains widespread and accepted.
Traditional rolled r reaches further into obscurity in France, guttural non-R spreads to hip urban populations in the rest of Europe because hip faggots like to copy whatever the French do. It gradually filters down to the general populations of Germany, Denmark, and Portugal from the upper classes to the urban population in general.
In France, traditional r becomes relegated to old people and the most ass-backward peasants. Bavaria, Austria, and Switzerland keep the old ways alive, for the most part.
Funfact: Skarre "R" has no phonetic or articulatory features in common with the traditional European rolled r, and has become something identical to what is associated with a g in most languages that have it. For example, the Arabic name for Gaza starts with the same sound as French "r", and the "gh" in Maghreb is the same sound as well.
In conclusion: French, along with most dialects of Portuguese, German, Danish, and some dialects of Swedish and Norwegian, can no longer be said to possess a proper rhotic consonant.
Some stuff I read in a grad-level historical linguistics class. First written record of guttural "r" in Europe is about French aristocratic women in the 1600s, and Moliere in one of his plays describes r as the traditional sound rolled with the tip of the tongue.
Wikipedia for the spread of r in the 19th century, although the historical ling class also had a study by a German in the late 19th century of the distribution of the sound and its spread - basically, people from rural areas adopted it only after moving to the big cities.
Also, the normative pronunciation for r in Quebec was the traditional rolled sound until the 1950s, and you can catch it in some Quebecois media up into the 70s/80s. Not the most common pronunciation by then, not by a longshot, but it would be almost unthinkable to hear it in a normal context like that in France of the same time.
im american dude
i started learning bergensk because a friend i played WoW with was from that area so he taught me some stuff, especially the skarre r
it's amazing since it pisses off everyone else in the entirety of scandinavia when they hear it, they immediately are humbled and shut the fuck up
2nd best dialect is nord norsk dialects tho:
u seem pretty triggered m8
And to clarify further, I mean that traditional r was probably the normative pronunciation in France until some time in the 1700s, I don't mean to imply that it fully penetrated the nobility within the 1600s.
Also, ask an actual linguist anything you want I guess, I acknowledge that this whole spiel has been a bit of autism, I just really fucking hate how half of Europe has ditched the cool traditional rolled r for this shit, even if there's no objective reason why it's bad.
Pissing people off by speaking shit isn't really something to be proud of, my friend.
>u seem pretty triggered m8
Because Norwegian is a really cool language, and I want it to remain free of this Parisian corruption.
Shit I know:
Shit I want to know:
>Korean (Hangul is very appealing to my autism)
I want to start learning Russian first because ANUUU CHEEKI BREEKI, but what does /his/ think? I have a book on learning Latin that I've been meaning to do soon once school's over.
What does/his/ want to learn?
German is cool. I know it well. Once you enter Switzerland however, spoken German goes out the window for some kind of slang I can only describe as another language. It's fun
Thank you for the suggestion, I think my GF's dad is learning Italian with it
Supposedly you can learn it in 10 minutes if you're a smart cookie, correct? I just wonder how easy it is to pick up spoken Korean and put Hangul to use.
Is it much similar to other Germanic languages, like those of Sweden/Norway?
It's German alright, but the location of Switzerland means that the people tend to absorb loan words from the closest European neighbor... or just use more ancient words. I can get what they are saying, but I feel like a first year German student back in high-school when they talk. Not somebody who can listen to news in Germany or Austria and absorb everything they are saying
You can learn any regular alphabet in an hour of practice. You need to use it regularly afterward in order to cement it into long-term memory, but really, if you don't know Greek, Cyrillic, or Georgian, for example, just do the following:
Find a table of the alphabet along with Latin transliterations.
Find a sample of text in a language that uses the alphabet.
Work on transcribing the text to Latin.
You start building up the connections really fast, and after an hour, you'll probably have 80-90% retention rate for a while. If you immediately move from this to language study, you'll never forget.
The thing about Switzerland is that they've kept their old dialects around in a much more healthy state. It's used throughout everyday life, and not just with family and friends like in a lot of Germany. Standard German exists in Switzerland mostly as a lingua franca, at least for most of the country.
And that means that more dialectal features are likely to infiltrate into Swiss Standard German. It also has more archaic features than Germany Standard German - some words, traditional pronunciations of ä and r, a few other things IIRC.
That's a good idea, I might do it with Cyrillic now.
Forgive me, I meant High German. Low German sounds like fun too though.
I just downloaded Duolinguo and it's great fun, but should I stop after a certain amount in a day? Will I reach saturation point after which I'll stop learning/start forgetting?
Japanese, Slavic languages, Gaelic languages
Spanish, German, Mandarin, Austroasiatic languages, Somali
>it's like japanese without all the retarded extra writing systems
but kanji is awesome
>it makes reading much easier
>you don't have to put spaces between words
desu with how english sentences work, the logographic system could work with it just as well
Godly tier languages :
Schismatic tier :
Barking tier :
>Top tier: irrelevant languages
>Shit tier: Increasingly relevant languages
Polish language is awesome but hella hard. I'm glad I know it but fucking polish people abroad make me wish I wasn't one of them.
>W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie.
>Panie chrząszczu po cóż pan tak brzęczy w gąszczu.
divided into actual phonemes:
W Sz-cz-e-b-rz-e-sz-y-ni-e ch-rz-ą-sz-cz b-rz-m-i w t-rz-c-i-ni-e.
we just have a lot of digraphs, influenced by german and hungarian
and It didn't change much since the first consistent orthographies in XVI century
Polish would, from a purely linguistic viewpoint, make more sense to be written in Cyrillic: so many words would be substantially shorter, with.various combinations of two or four characters, in Latin, being replaced by a single Cyrillic letter. But the great schism, and all that...
Mind you, Romanian, a Latin language, used to be written in Cyrillic, despite not being really suited to it (and this was later revived, in a different system, in Soviet Bessarabia/Moldova). But, Orthodoxy notwithstanding, they switched to Latin. Maybe the Poles should swallow their pride and go the other way...
Mother tongue is Swedish, also fluent in English obviously. Working on my Spanish and Japanese for now. After that I don't know, leaning towards Icelandic, but Portuguese or Farsi or Sanskrit (maybe Hindi-Urdu instead) would be awesome as well.
Used to study Arabic, Russian and French but quit. Arabic was fun though, but too hard for what I got out of it.
I think the Ayin and Ghayn sounds are cool. I don't like the Khaa sound in pretty much any language though, it's so... hostile.
I took up learning how to write Polish a week ago. 25 years of speaking Polish but never writing it. Do you know how many words I have been mispronouncing over the years? Or simply look at the word as say... "Wait.. what the fuck, this is how it's pronounced?"
This is going to be a interesting challenge.
I speak Upper Carniolan, Slovene, English and some German.
My favorite is Upper Carniolan
Khoisan and other clicking languages are really cool.
I'm so fascinated by how they can make all those noises and talking "normally" at the same time.
Too bad, I got some fun books I can share.
I'll just post them /tg/'s PDF thread and link the posts to here. Anyway I got some Early Latin Grammar, Umro-Oscan Grammar, Old English and Saxon Linguistics and the famous "How we'd speak if we'd won 1066". Anyone interested?
Kuga s m glih kr reku, kurba mjhna? Jest t puvem, de sm zvežban guzdar pa de sm biu že doskat zravn, k sej kramper pubirou; saj 300 gajb ga mam že nabranga. Drva znam cept z eno roko, traktor uhka pa u miže furam. Tuko tem žvajznu, de teu du Buhina pa nazaj udnesv, vrjem m. K to pišem, že brusm skiro pa vežem štrk. Mrtu s ti, toja držina, us toj prjatl, pa še ceu toj rod za sto generacij nazaj. Ščijem po grobovh tojga roda, ongavm t use babe u držin pa use drva tim ud bajte udnesu. Ti nis nč u primerjau z mano. Upam, de vm vs prdelk preč pride, pa usa žvina vm crkne. Vem ke žviš pa vem, ke mate kluče ud bajte skrite. Merkej se, zj zj bom pršu. Frderbou tem preh, kokr uhka Očenš zmolš.
I have a raging hard-on for Frisian. Fucking interesting language
Like a mix between German, Dutch and English. the history is pretty fucking cool as well. Would of been interesting if the Frisians exerted proper influence against the Dutch lords and carved out their own lands.
>mfw Chomsky is still considered the god of linguistics in my shithole
I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but what languages do you think will increase in relevance in the future? There are some languages I have an interest in learning, like Russian, but I feel like they will be a waste to learn. Similarly, one of the reasons I am reluctant to learn Mandarin is because everybody says it will lose relevance.
>How we'd speak if we'd won 1066
>Old English and Saxon Linguistics
That sounds pretty interesting.
thanks guys. Honestly, most old germanic languages are pretty cool too desu. Old English flows off the tongue really well.
Can't remember where it is, but I found some video a while back with a woman speaking out a couple Old English poems. Fucking hypnotic, would make for good ASMR.
I've heard that French will only increase in relevance, mostly due to African nations rising in influence. Solid choice if you're from the UK too. Spanish is also a decent bet, but apart from the major languages already, couldn't predict much else.
Hindi-Urdu will become more and more relevant I think, considering the developments in India as well as the massive Indian diaspora abroad. Arabic is increasing through Europe and intelligence circles what with the refugee crisis and terrorism, but Arabic is not one language, but a conglomeration of dialects, so be careful with that. I wouldn't worry about Mandarin losing importace. The "China will collapse any minute now!" meme is just a meme, modern China is a scary unorthodox powerhouse of development and won't stagnate in many decades to come. Also tons of Chinese everywhere, as well as Africa turning into a Chinese colony.
Spanish I don't see evolving much more, aside from in the US. It is a popular second or third language in the West though. German is a good business language in Europe, also Namibia.
Dunno about French, the French speaking countries in Africa are also some of the worst countries, aside from Gabon The fastest developing African countries speak English, see Namibia, Botswana, Ghana, Nigeria. Perhaps they'll speak Chinese too soon.
I'm pretty thankful that Serbo-Croatian has both Latin and Cyrillic as writing systems. There's just something about "Write as you speak and read as it is written." that appeals to me.
Plus, it makes it easier to appeal to foreigners, as you could just easily switch from Cyrillic to Latin and back.
Speaking as an actual Serb here, the "write as you speak and read as you write" principle does jackshit to help foreigners because the language has one of the most complex stress systems among European languages and a very complex set of sound change rules, a lot of which are allophonemic and thus not encoded in writing. Due to yar deletion the language is a lot more vowel-poor than other Slavic languages, too, which complicates pronunciation.
It does make Cyrillic very easy to learn, however.
>Favourite languages and what makes them my favourites
Taiwanese Hokkien https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoUWCZsvYMI
All of them sounds so fine/cute to my ears (I can't help it: if I like a sound, I'll want to know more about it), and I'm interested in learning the grammar.
>Most hated language
English (not really hated, but because I feel I'm being forced to learn it because is the lingua franca, I can't develop good feelings for it).
Kuga s m glih kr reku, ti kurba mjhna? Jest t puvem, de sm zvežban holcar pa de sm biu že doskat zravn, k sej kramper pubirou; saj 300 gajb ga mam že nabranga. Drva znam cept z eno roko, traktor uhka pa u miže furam. Tuko tem žvajznu, de teu du Buhina pa nazaj udnesv, vrjem m. K to pišem, že brusm skiro pa vežem štrk. Mrtu s ti, toja držina, us toj prjatl, pa še ceu toj rod za sto generacij nazaj. Ščijem po grobovh tojga roda, ongavm t use babe u držin pa use drva tim ud bajte udnesu. Ti nis nč u primerjau z mano. Upam, de vm vs prdelk preč pride, pa usa žvina crkne. Vem ke žviš pa vem, ke mate kluče ud bajte skrite. Merkej se, zj zj bom pršu. Frderbou tem preh, kokr uhka Očenš zmolš.
I have to admit; I am a native Serb and I have issues with the language from time to time. Even after living in the country for so many years.
That reminds me. I have a book that has a few pages dedicated to how foreign languages are transcribed to Serbian (ex. German Nietzsche -> Niče). While I don't have the book with me right now, when I do get it, I'll post the means of transcription in the thread.
I honestly don't know how to explain the issues I have. The severe lack of social interaction with other Serbs, as well as my forgetfulness, has made it difficult to learn some of the more precise rules of the language, as well as some words (in which case, I just end up transliterating the English equivalent). The most embarrassing is that I can't really tell the difference between Ć and Č, same goes for Đ and Dž.
Nikada mi nije išao Srpski u školi inače. Ali ljudi su mi rekli da sam dobro savladao jezik iako imam neke probleme sa njim.
Tangut for being so goddamn pretty, but I'll probably never learn it because their civilization barely lasted a century. Cuneiform is interesting, but picking one of the (I think) mutually unintelligible varieties will be tough. Don't have time right now, but maybe one day.
I'm loving the Chinese logograms. I'd probably learn Korean hanja before I'd learn the ugly walls of phonetics that is hangul.
czech sounds good for a slav lang
italian is literally using all the best sounds
cant make up my mind about portuguese, sometimes it sounds like Ivan is trying to speak spanish and sometimes it sounds nice
Except in research?
No, not really. It can help you become a teacher, editor, translator, or (freelance) journalist though, but you've got to be talented and passionate for these kind of jobs.
I'm probably biased since I'm a native speaker, but I genuinely think Czech is the best language around. I do like many other languages, though. Russian is like gentler Czech and I love the way they stress their words. Hebrew is surprisingly beautiful. Japanese has its charm, too, and lately I've discovered my love for Magyar.
Sorry, it's something I read about a while ago.
Here's some sort of proof, though (if you don't believe me): http://www.learnromanian.ro/english/Romanian-language-history.php
Not much, but it's what I found in two minutes of searching.
Me. I don't know about you, but I'm planning to become a translator. I'm studying a double major (English and Spanish linguistics) + I'm fluent in three more languages if you don't count my native language, so I don't think I'll have issues getting a job. Plus, I love, love, love reading/writing, which means it'll be a dream come true.
I remember something a friend showed me where you looked up a synonym for stealing in Serbian on Google Translate and the results came out as "a good deal". Google Translate has some secrets, for sure.
Which ayy lmao language has the best script?
>Inuit tamarmik inunngorput nammineersinnaassuseqarlutik assigiimmillu ataqqinassuseqarlutillu pisinnaatitaaffeqarlutik. Silaqassusermik tarnillu nalunngissusianik pilersugaapput, imminnullu iliorfigeqatigiittariaqaraluarput qatanngutigiittut peqatigiinnerup anersaavani.
>seems very rhythmic, which makes even the longest words easy to read
>ʁ, q, qː, mː, nː, ŋ, ŋː, ɬ, sː
2. Icelandic, Faroese
Hver maður er borinn frjáls og jafn öðrum að virðingu og réttindum. Menn eru gæddir vitsmunum og samvisku, og ber þeim að breyta bróðurlega hverjum við annan.
>Oll menniskju eru fodd fræls og jovn til virðingar og mannarættindi. Tey hava skil og samvitsku og eiga at fara hvort um annað í bróðuranda.
Mostly because of the music, I guess (Týr, Sólstafir, Skálmöld, Hamferð, Eivor Pálsdóttir).
>sounds truly nordic
>θ, ð, tl/dl, rolled r and a shitload of different vowels
3. Czech, for its unique r̝ phoneme and syllabic r and l.
Všichni lidé se rodí svobodní a sobě rovní co do důstojnosti a práv. Jsou nadáni rozumem a svědomím a mají spolu jednat v duchu bratrství.
I have Russian as my angry voice in case I ned to intimidate someone. I also love th French thug voice. German... yes, it can sound angry, bt the best German angry voices have a lot of serenity in them.
t. Pole here and Czech sound is top-tier. I like your taste in languages in general.
I guess his view on Czech comes from our "lekcja czeskiego" memes.
>chwilowo nieobecny – momentalně nepritomny
>wiewiórka – drevný kocur
>rozkład jazdy – odchody autobusov
>terminator – elekroničký mordulec
where's the best place to learn the international phonetic alphabet?
Anyone have good resources for the following languages?
I'm really interested in Himalayan history and culture, but most resources for it are in need of translation. If anyone could help a brother out, that'd be nice.
Its just an alphabet
The words tell you how to move your tongue or where to touch it to the roof of your mouth, and how to use the air to make the sound, so if you don't know what the words are, look them up, though most are pretty self-explanatory.
After you've gone over them all, flashcards. same as anything else.
anyone speak or interested in austronesian languages?
Samoan is my favourite, i'll probably just learn bahasa indonesia/malay though
polish anon here
48mln nation,yet everyone speaks the same with some word differences
except the Kashubian and Silesian which are sometimes considered languages but to me silesian is german-czech-polish pidgin
Try the "parlons" series from L'harmattan if you're francophone.
Parlons Tibétain, Parlons Nepali, Parlons Dzongkha. They have the 3 of them. Plus there is a nice cultural overview in each book.
Proof that finns are nordic desu.
>I want to study lingustics. Is there any sort of career in it?
Forensic linguistics (mostly dealing with phonetics, increasingly syntax as well, not a particularly large industry but possible to get into if you aren't dumb).
>Not exactly. The Arabic "gh" is velar and the French "r" is uvelar.
Varies based on dialect. IIRC the more common variant is uvular.
Want to learn
Kek, every non-Slav I hear has trouble with literary language, but most of our languages also have dialects which often sound nothing like the written form. In my dialect, we leave out many vowels in words and also add in a bunch of German words so even our own countrymen have trouble understanding.
Literally just go down to a pub and order some beer. Fuck, I've managed to do this in Japan where everyone is supposedly introvert and scared to talk to foreigners, I'm sure you can do it in fucking Germany.
>go for a drink in Germany
>"Pričaj po naše, čovjek."
Actually happened to a couple of friends of mine.
Kek could really picture that
Since some anon posted his:
Wanted to learn Latin before I figured I'm not Catholic. For now, nothing else concrete in mind.
Just finished the kanas. Now this is where the fun begins.
I actually think I'll get into STEM, but I really do think I'm good at languages and stuff like linguistics fascinates me. It's just a shame that native language subjects (also English in later years) with a focus on book analysis disencouraged me ;-;
I have been to Germany, but I guess it depends where you go. You're probably right when it comes to large cities, but in towns and the countryside their English usually isn't that great either so most conversations just kind switch languages whenever one party doesn't manage to convey something in the language they aren't great in.