Which country has the most boring history? I'm talking about sizeable countries, not meme non-countries like Barbados or Liechtenstein or whatever.
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Australian history has a few interesting events like the Eureka rebellion, but it's pretty dull otherwise.
It's weird how New Zealand has such a vastly interesting colonial period whilst Australia doesn't. Is it due to the Maori just being far better at resisting/dealing with Europeans than aboriginals?
>It's weird how New Zealand has such a vastly interesting colonial period whilst Australia doesn't
It's a shame that it's mostly glossed over in school with "the white devils stole their land because reasons, Treaty of Waitangi"
I'm glad I had an excellent high school teacher. For the final year of history we studied events from the United Tribes to the Invasion of the Waikato in depth, and we even traveled by bus to a lot of the battlefields. Gained a deep appreciation for early NZ history because of it, when I had dismissed it before.
Australia having a "boring" history isn't necessarily a bad thing to be honest. The fact that we haven't had much conflict or political upheaval shows that Australia is one of the safest and most stable places on earth.
I did history in Year 11 and it was
>Civil Rights in the US
>New Zealand's Search for Security (1945-1990)
>The Road to War, Europe 1919 - 1939
>I'll never hate the french as much as the United Tribes did
feels bad man
Australia has a boring history, but it is interesting enough.
But I kind of wish we were more like New Zealand
>everything in Australia but Eureka Stockade
>Maoris actually beat England.
It's shocking the amount of history is unknown to Aussie kids because of the continuous dawdling on the Aboriginals. It's actually a quick way to get a laugh from a student to ask about how much time we can go over the different ways the Aboriginals were fucked over.
Meanwhile Kokoda, Tobruk, Long Tan, Eureka Stockade etc
NOONE KNOWS WHO FUCKING BURKE AND WILLS IS
The funniest thing about Australia history being focused on the abos is that, because of PC, they don't even teach you the good stuff.
Like how the abos used to raid the goldfields and take miners and hang the upside down by the legs in trees for days then eat them.
>yfw they thought chinks tasted the best too
From my experience and what I've heard from others, history teachers in HS don't focus on the bloody massacres committed by either side. The aboriginals certainly fought back against the white man taking their land, often violently and viciously, no doubt about that. The creator of Australian rules football had his family slaughtered by the indigenous people.
My high school history class was very light on in terms of Australian history. We were given a very eurocentric account of Australia's "discovery" and colonisation, but far more time was spent going over the World Wars.
its army has a pretty interesting history though participating in a fuck ton of wars
>russian civil war
>great emu war
they performed pretty well in all but the great emu war and gallipoli
>The Road to War, Europe
Lucky bastard. I didn't really learn anything about WWII Germany or Russia at school. It was all sort-of sidestepped, while a lot of the other classes got to learn about it.
I didn't even know what Auschwitz, Sobibor and Treblinka were when I saw their names on the student-made posters on the wall of my Social Studies classroom. I learned about them from Google, Wikipedia and BBC documentaries.
I learned about the battle of Stalingrad etc. from Call of Duty: World at War, Enemy at the Gate, and Wikipedia.
Annoyed the hell out of me. Even the Maori Battalion's participation in the war in Africa against Italy and Germany was skipped.
>Martin Luther King
>Roots and Kunta Kinte
>Rabbit Proof Fence and the Abbos
Yeah even as an Aussie I have to agree on that ours is one the lesser histories.>>23127
at least america or newzeland's natives fought back abos were fucking shit. There's some cool shit I have a book on eureka that's been sitting in my thunderbox for ages but largely Australia is just a really really successful colony
Maori made things interesting, as opposed to the Aboriginals who rolled over and died.
The Māori actually put up a decent fight against the White Man, and so they had to be bargained with for the land. Thus, the Treaty of Waitangi was written.
They also have different tribes of Māori around NZ, some of whom battled eachother. One such tribe that actually got eaten was that of the Moriori, which many people consider to be a different race, but this is disputed these days.
Fun fact: When Abel Tasman landed in NZ, at the top of the South Island, conflict was started from the Māori against his crew, and some of his crew were killed, only to have their corpses dragged off an eaten. The Māori believed that by eating their opponents, they thus gained their Mana, or their essence/spirit.
Tasman named the bay he landed in "Murderers bay", however these days it's known as Golden Bay. It's up near the city Nelson.
>Dutch explorer Abel Tasman anchored 7 km out from in this bay in 1642, and in a bloody encounter, Ngati Tumatakokiri rammed the Dutch ship's boat with a waka and killed 4 Dutch seamen - for which Tasman named it Moordenaar's Bay (Murderers Bay).
That's how New Zealand colonial history started, it's no surprise the country was a warzone for most of the 19th century.
Why were the Maori so much different than the Aboriginals?
You could argue Governor Macquarie did a lot to smooth over the tense farmer-aboriginal peace, but over in New Zealand it was on the moment the British hadn't even sailed fully in yet.
Our colonial history is full of fun anecdotes and stories, but as you and everyone says, pretty peaceful for the British settlers.
It's why the wars are so important to us, nothing fucking happens over here, so lets have a go at it over there!
Australia and Argentina are both pretty similar.
Both have a large Italian and Jewish population, have recently had a mining boom (less so argentina), the north of both is the worst parts, both absoluley massacred the natives and both a mostly white with a large left/worker population that like being conservative.
Honestly, Australian frontier violence is pretty much a great way to teach and understand historiography and synthesise primary and secondary sources.
It's just when you get shitty English teachers parroting half-remembered Arts tutes yet aren't basically making kids read their Broome, Reynolds et al and getting an understanding for the nuance.
The Howard-era history wars kind of made some teachers a little too over-enthusiastic even if Australian history.
Kokoda is irritating because it's basically built on the bullshit ANZAC legend as a sequel.
Fact is Australia's efforts in WWII were a bit irrelevant outside of basically being an American aircraft carrier - and I'm very much convinced by Peter Stanley tearing apart the idea of the "Battle for Australia" and everyones notion of Japanese plans to make white people carry rickshaws on the streets of Meruberin and Shiruni.
Oh but muh Darwin. Muh mini subs. Fark off.
If it's Peter FitzSimons book it's shit. Australian pop history written by rugby players is just cancerous.
What you really should say - is it was peaceful in the main colonial settlements. The frontiers of the colonies though were terrifying. Even at times needlessly so.
Why don't the Japs ever count in these things?
The New Guard and proto-fascist movements like Australia are pretty interesting. As was Lang of course.
Latter-day NZ political history with Rogernomics does crop up in discussion of Hawke/Keating and "economic rationalism".
Reminder that Australia's development under a Washminster system as a young Western nation is genuinely very interesting.
>caring about pre-settlement Australia
wew lad, Aborigines hadn't even 'discovered' the wheel.
>absolutely massacred the natives
While true in some places, it's got to be noted that Australia is fucking big; this wasn't the case in South or North Australia, nor was it (to quite the same extent) in Queensland or Victoria. It was much more an NSW-Tasmania thing, but everybody treats NSW history as the stem of all the rest of Australian history.
Australia, as a country, is only a century old.
What do you expect? We have a few interesting moments, but there's just not much there.
I would argue, though, that American history is worse on the basis that they had so much more time and they still didn't produce anything interesting.
>"please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago."
>tfw allowed to start a thread on your footy team's last premiership
>be in school in Australia
>be from Europe
>get excited because ever since I was little I loved reading about the Romans and ancient greeks
>spend weeks learning about dot paintings and shit niggers threw on caves
>get quizzed and tested on what dot paintings actually mean
>spend 1 week on world war 1 (see Gallipoli) and nothing of WW2
Truly the worst of times
American westward expansion, manifest destiny, the guano act, and gunboat diplomacy is pretty interesting.
Not to mention how they turned the tides of both world wars and helped hold back the doom of Communism, it's not so much how much they did but WHAT they did.
It's like. Thanks, America, for not letting me grow up in a bizarre Nazi-Communist-Japanese world.
I mean that's a dramatization of it, but whatever, I'm Australian, what've we got.
Australian history is not dull but can be boring. Its mostly overlooked because a lot of what was happening is complex and needs a wider understanding of the culture at the time.
Most of pre-federation was colonial squabbling and British Empire being cunts. I mean Boer wars, China and all that require a fair bit of prior knowledge to fully understand, the politics are pretty unique too with left-wing progressive nationalists (Even Lenin was perplexed by this) and other such strange things like race wars (Scots vs Welsh vs English vs Chinese free for alls at the mines). It all needs to be backed up and looked into deeply to get a full understanding, its much easier to pick out a few events and dust your hands off. Its why we basically go Cook, Abo genocides, Eureka stockade, WW2.
Yep, love me those Stolen Generations and Sorry Day.
Wonder if there's any Aborigines that'll show up on the board someday, will bring a whole new perspective to everything. The world's funny that way.
A belief held by the Americans that they were destined to expand throughout North America and the world, and that the American people were special.