I still can't believe there are actually people that hate FDR. Almost every president after him has couped democratic governments, funded terrorists, and committed massive strategic blunders. If we had more men like him we'd be in a much better state.
He actually contributed only moderately to developing the country physically, but his leadership was absolutely inspiring. He was promising people jobs, unemployment benefits, and Social Security in the depths of the depression. People really saw a light at the end of the tunnel, they were really convinced their government was for the people and trying to make things better. That's such a far cry from what we have today it's unreal.
It was completely retarded to start with and the fact that it dragged on for years due to incompetent strategy made it absolutely Iraq-tier stupid. In what world could dropping 2.7 men and more bombs than WWII in an impoverished, developing country ever be a good thing for said nation?
>>2852 >I'm a fag fag He was born to be an evil piece of shit >>3050 And economic policy. Grant was a flawless general and president >presidential background ratings Military >>>farmer >>>business >>>>>>convicted rapist >>lawyer
This was never Stalin's goal. He believed in ''Socialism in one country'' until after Germany invaded. Then he expanded his goals to expand a sphere of influence in Eastern Europe to protect the SU from future invasion.
>Truman built the future and made sure America was on top of it
Truman was a moron that fostered the anti-Communist death cult that justified any actions the US government committed by virtue that it stopped Communism. The result of this policy dramatically fucked over places like Latin America and Southeast Asia.
Don't even get me started on Korea. His handling of the war can only be compared to
Johnson's utter incompetence in Vietnam. His handling of WWII was awful as well, and ironically helped the Soviets expand. Instead of making it clear the Japanese could keep their emperor, he tried to strong arm them into ''unconditional'' surrender. With a more diplomatic approach, a surrender could've been forced months earlier. No need to use nuclear weapons, hundreds of thousands of lives saved, no North Korea etc. etc.
>>6017 I was rather disappointed when I read how much he was used for the initial recruitment drive when the US entered WW1. He went all over the country delivering speeches to dumb kids about how war was "the great adventure". Mind you ww1 had been going on for years at this point and he fucking knew it was no adventure.
>>5510 Depends on which direction you thought the country should've gone and how relevant the effect of their actions today.
A couple of decades ago, Jackson was considered one of "the greats," but nowadays there's a lot more attention on his treatment of Native Americans (and to a certain extent how wrong he was about banks).
>>5510 LBJ was genuinely horrible because his Great Society bullshit didn't work. Teenage pregnancy was low and falling. He decided there was a teenage pregnancy epidemic, so he implemented mandatory sex ed to counteract it. Teenage pregnancy skyrocketed to its modern level. His housing plan similarly failed, giving way to new slums filled with half-built houses. Businesses and communities were destroyed by the buy-out policy to attain the land to build the houses, with many of the places which were to be 'saved' by the policy actually getting measurably worse. I can go on, but whatever makes a 'great' president, LBJ didn't have it. He did pretty much nothing positive other than letting everyone vote, but that was something the people forced to happen rather than something LBJ did. Literally anyone would have done the same if they'd been president at the time of MLK.
>>6431 Judicial supremacy is the worst thing about our country. Matters of constitutionality among the federal government should be decided upon by a 2/3 majority between the branches. Making the Supreme Court having no one to balance them out allows for stupid shit like the Dredd Scott Decision and Rowe Vs Wade
Strong, smart, badass, likes white people, traditional, survives getting shot, helped win a war, loves nature, environmentalist, understands firearms, hates monopolies, hates corruption, fights robber barons, sends a Great White Fleet around the world, and carries a really big stick.
>>8897 because he was power hungry and used WW2 as an excuse to implement many sweeping reforms that weren't needed and have caused serious issues in the U.S. today, Social Security being one, as it is no longer sustainable
>>6398 He was a leftist progressive And an idiot Of course his shit was a disaster
>He did pretty much nothing positive other than letting everyone vote How is this a positive The liberals/democrats only promote universal suffrage because the people they included happened to vote leftist.
Even the Bully Pulpit? Or maybe it was Bully Boy? Nevermind it's still sad. TR was a shameless brutal warmonger but I kinda wish I was in his circle of friends. Anyway, yes there are arguments against him. It was a real bummer and I remember asking and checking other sources. Nothing helped. Especially his environmental policy which caused a lot of trouble in California.
>>10709 And Wilson? I can't decide who was actually worse. FDR did fuck up the Depression even more and was a naive idiot during WWII but Wilson created the Fed and introduced income tax in the same year and later fuced up everything for everyone in Europe but he didn't live long enough to be there to see it.
>>10611 Watergate is a literal non issue >harmless campaigning espionage For real, it blows my mind that this scandal ruined the presidency. Everyone holding major office today does 10x worse and people defend it
>>11004 It's the only flaw that liberal books and documentaries ever admit. For this reason I can't even watch those ambitious documentaries made by PBS or History Channel. It's too late. Their version has won long ago. They still claim that Hoover was laissez faire.
>>11050 It wasn't the initial scandal; it was him trying to fight it and hide information and then getting burnt by the liberal media. He should have just said "yes they did it, I had nothing to do with it. They are out of the party and going to be charged."
>>8131 His policies were retarded and left the country with neither the money or military to effectively fight the War of 1812. He was such a dogmatic autist that he'd rather have ruined the country (thinking he was saving it) than admit that Hamilton was right up to continuing to be a fervent supporter of the French Revolution long after everyone abandoned it due to the Terror.
>>6963 Washington's a case of "right guy at the right time". Policy-wise I don't think he was really a factor considering it was basically Hamilton doing all that but he had the temperment and ability to command respect that was needed to keep the country from falling apart between the Federalists and Jeffersonians.
>>11203 There was nothing to really define the era as far as the president goes. The post-Civil War presidents are kind of seen as weak figures, overshadowed by (and probably somewhat subservient to) the robber barons and industrialists that would define the Gilded Age and being products of machine/party politics.
A lot of it too is because economic issues were a big deal in the post-Reconstruction era, probably THE big political issue of the day. Obviously 130 year old arguments about the gold standard aren't going to be as sexy as war or economic crash leaving everyone destitute. They're forgotten now but were big deals at the time. Arthur was incredibly popular and well-respected, even Twain loved the guy. Garfield's assassination was a huge deal at the time as well: he was greatly loved and almost universally popular. Apparently when he died a group of 600 blacks ganged up to try and find and lynch Guiteau (Garfield came from an abolitionist family and was a huge supporter of equal rights for blacks).
Same with McKinley. Incredibly popular during his life due to giving America and empire and presiding over an economic boom. Quickly overshadowed in death by Roosevelt.
>>6398 Teen pregnancy rate is high because of browns and blacks.
New England has a lower teen birth rate (14.5 per 1,000) than Australia, Ireland, Iceland, New Zealand, UK, etc
non-hispanic whites are about the same rate as Ireland non-hispanic blacks and hispanics are about the same as Rwanda, Turkey, etc Injuns are about the same rate as Samoa and Vietnam Azns/Pacific Islanders are about the same as Germany and France
The 1870's-1900's was the era of greatest expansion economically in the US. That was when we were like China of today.
I realize they aren't flashy and spectacular because the events that happened weren't. That actually reflects well upon them. But for the most part, these guys were weak compared to congress while nowadays Obama just declares executive orders and congress can't do a thing because the supreme court supports Obama.
>blacks >ganging up to kill someone Like clockwork.
>God Tier George Washington Thomas Jefferson James K. Polk Grover Cleveland William McKinley Calvin Coolidge
>Great Tier James Madison James Monroe Andrew Jackson Theodore Roosevelt Dwight D. Eisenhower
>Good Tier Martin Van Buren Harry S. Truman John F. Kennedy Bill Clinton
>Okay Tier John Adams John Quincy Adams John Tyler Abraham Lincoln Ulysses S. Grant Rutherford B. Hayes Chester A. Arthur Benjamin Harrison William Howard Taft Warren G. Harding Herbert Hoover Franklin D. Roosevelt Richard Nixon Ronald Reagan George H. W. Bush
>Did Nothing Tier William Henry Harrison Zachary Taylor James A. Garfield Gerald Ford
>Absolute Shit Tier Millard Fillmore Franklin Pierce James Buchanan Andrew Johnson Woodrow Wilson Lyndon B. Johnson Jimmy Carter George W. Bush Barack Obama
>>14683 One of. And I don't have time to write an essay. In short every executive decision, every backed bill and program, every foreign policy decision, every strategic military action, every economic decision... All bad. And the things he didn't get to accomplish would have been even worse
>>8131 >stopped importation of slaves >attempted to outlaw slavery with a bill that was a few votes shy of passing congress >His "slave" was Sally Hemmings, a half black woman who was the half sister of his recently deceased wife and her spitting image >They lived together and had several children, all of whom he freed
Holy shit this is terrible. Jackson, McKinley, Clinton, HW and Truman don't belong anywhere outside of terrible. Wilson should be under great, Polk in okay, and the only guys that belong in god-tier are Teddy, FDR, and Lincoln.
>>12071 Blacks are only as bad as they are in terms of crime, single-parenthood, school truancy, etc. because of LBJ. Single-parenthood is arguably the biggest cultural problem in the black community. It's currently at 75% in the US. It was at 20% during the times of slavery. It as at 30% when LBJ got into office. Look at this jump.
>>9186 >Stuffs courts. He didn't do this. >Monopolies These exist independently of the executive office. Glass-Steagall for one thing broke banks up to keep them from creating monopolies >Propaganda. This had been growing for a century and matured under Wilson's term during WWI >Sterilized lots of people. Who what?
>>5564 As an Arkansan I'd have to agree here. I actually met him once, my grandparents are good friends of his. Super nice guy and really cool. >>487 This as well. An honest-to-god patriot of the best kind, who came about exactly when he was needed. >>19973 >>6790 But Polk has always been my favorite. Didn't bullshit on anything or with anyone. He said what he was gonna do, he fucking did it, and then left office just like he said he would.
>>11050 >non-issue He used his position of power to fuck over others that were supposed to be on equal footing as him. If I can't put it any more simply for you to understand the moral outrage you're a /pol/-tier baiter and don't deserve my (you)'s. On the other hand if you're some kind of crazy egoist that thinks that those that have power should use it on those without, than you have fundamentally misunderstood america. >>13714 fuck you as well, you little baiting mongoloid.
>>11533 >Won the war. Zero influence. The president is called "Commander in Chief" or the armed services, by the way. >>11617 >Well he helped Stalin a whole lot in fucking up Nazis And it fucking worked, bitch
>>11577 You're so sure of your inverse history, I can't even begin to deprogram you, can I? I think Obama has been to politically safe with the wars and Gitmo etc. But we're still living in the shadow of the Bush/Cheney presidency. They made an awful mess and moderate Democratic party hasn't done enough to counter it.
>>25205 >He sent men to the moon Didn't. NASA was technically a thing before Kennedy's administration, and he simply "motivated" the people to get on the moon, and he didn't really have an affect on people joining the scientists.
What he did do, though, was almost save our asses from the Fed, before he got put out of commission. 2008 wouldn't have been nearly as bad if Kennedy had been allowed to fuck the Fed.
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