People in western civilization, whether they realise it or not, idolise them because they represent a much society where strength, courage and merit counted for a lot more. They were a small group of "savages" living in a frozen shithole who managed to build a trading Empire, challenged the mightiest civilizations in Europe at the time and accomplished unprecedented feats of navigation for their era. Also they're Metal as fuck
Most Underrated: Probably the pre-Colonial era South American civilizations.
>>37057 The Normans. You can argue they were technically Vikings but I find them a different people. Seriously the Crusades, the conquest of Sicily the establishment of Normandy. Most people who aren't in academia or like blob simulators don't seem to know more about the Normans.
They had a huge, powerful, and rich empire and had the most populous city outside of china for hundreds of years in the middle ages.
A giant floating lake city was the most populous city in the world outside of china.
That's pretty cool.
Their soldiers would dress up in fur and feathers and pretend to be eagle warriors / jaguar warriors who channeled the mystical abilities of animal spirits like in some anime
that's pretty cool
They had an empire that was in a constant state of total war enslaving and sacrificing other cultures because they believed if they didn't keep feeding the sun god blood he would lose to the evil god and the world would immediately end.
that's pretty cool.
Like look at this eagle warrior.
This is an actual soldier the aztec put on the battlefield. There is so much potential for cool literature/film/vidya here but instead it's just "ayylmao 300 spaniards and smallpox get rekt"
>>37791 It's predominately based on the Primary Chronicle,a collection of old,East Slavic stories,anecdotes,poems and fairy tales which were written in a time of civil war in which the side that was backed by the Danes and the Swedes emerged victorious.It's complete and utter bullshit,to say the least.
>>37057 >Why do people idolise the Vikings so much? Romantic era propaganda for nationalistic purposes coupled with godawful historians in the 19th century (and by godawful I mean 4chan tier, the whole 20th century was spent proving wrong the lies they perpetrated).
>>37057 I think there is something really appealing about noble deaths and warriors or cultures that readily face or welcome that end. There seems to be a natural fear of death especially a painful one, seeing someone or an entire culture embraces and desires it is odd and appealing. I think you get the same interest in Samurai and Spartans for similar reasons.
Sticking with warrior cultures, the Mongolians, the Maori, and the Zande all have really interesting history and weaponry but not a great deal of...note or fame.If you're looking at popular productions dealing with history these guys go almost entirely unmentioned except Genghis Khan and even those focus more on the individual than the culture he was raised in.
>implying They contributed beyond what they could afford to The Empire in The Great War, and afterwards, they didn't have the manpower to keep themselves afloat. It was like a smaller, more dire version of what happened to France after the war.
I don't know about 'most underrated in history,' but I'm kind of disappointed by the lack for books on Bronze-Age Hittites compared to like a gazillion books on Greeks, Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians, etc. Especially since they were such a big empire.
>>37057 Because the general perception of vikings is so bland and basic. All most people think about them are that they're sailors and like to kill people, and because of that people today can add all sorts of bullshit on top of that based on their agenda to make it seem "cool". SJWs can say that female vikings were badass and more powerful than men, or respect them because they're not Christians and anything that's not Christian is good, so they can use that to push their own ideas and try to prove things even with no historical basis. On the other hand, you have edgy nazifags who can simply use the fact that vikings were Nordic to somehow prove that aryan people are the master race and badass for being able to do what the vikings did.
Really no one idolizes the vikings, they just idolize their own interpretations of them. Which is quite sad considering how interesting the actual vikings were.
>>41340 Chinese history as a whole is underrated, what's a good starting point? I know piles about about tons of other cultures, next to zero about China prior to the century of humiliation, warlord era and modern stuff.
All a viking is is a name given to small groups of Scandinavian men who would go out raiding maybe once or twice in their lifetime while the rest of Scandinavia would life largely normal lives trading.
Modern pop culture has people thinking of vikings as some sort of race that subsisted on raiding the poor civilized Europeans and had legions of berserkers.
>>37057 Danish "viking" scum here. No one but foreign Yuro trash and burgers idolized the snow niggers that were the vikings. They were a primitive people with a few decent achievements under the belt. Nothing more.
>>37057 The Normans. Sure anybody who studies history knows a lot about them, but ask anybody on the street you'll get the response "Literally Who" despite them being THE Kings of England, bred into all European royalty, established a cultural Empire, largely responsible for the victory of the First Crusade, and Rollo is the primogenitor of all modern royal European families.
>>37057 Bactrians. If I didn't walk into an archeology class by mistake I wouldn't have even known about all the cool syncretic stuff that has been found. Also the Novgorod Republic and all those kingdoms in India.
>>40875 you joking bruv? >>38856 >>37774 To be completely fair the indian's tactics were a direct counter to the viking's I mean these are the founders of guerrilla warfare they wore light leather clothing, they new the land, they knew psychological warfare i mean what chance did the vikings have, really?
>>41886 Hversu Noregr byggðist claims Rollo was descended from the mythical Fornjotr, but these are post-viking age accounts of mythical people so you have to take the whole account with a grain of salt.
I idolize them because I'm 50% Scandinavian and Finnish in DNA and they are my people. They were cool, had honor, had a system of voting that birthed modern democracies, and built really cool ships for such "savage barbarians".
>>41485 I think this sums it up very nicely, although someone earlier in the thread had a valid point in saying they performed these acts very successfully. They were able to accomplish a lot even though it was savage and brutal. I wouldn't admire or idolize them, but they really did move mountains for such a simple group of people.
The historical inaccuracies in common depictions of ancient and dark age scandinavians ruffle me every time. If we are talking about vikings as in the people who sailed about raiding, they are overrated, and that in itself is making the more civil population at the time extremely underrated. It bothers me that accounts of the workings of their society are mostly filtered through christian or muslim values. The only sources I dare trust are from old greece or contemporary archeology. National romanticism sure fucked the ancient scandinavians too, especially the notion of Asatro as a homogenous religious dogma.
I'd say the Mongols. Of course, everyone knows about Genghis Khan and the brutality of the Mongols. However, I doubt most people know that the Mongols reached destroyed Persia, reached the Holy Land, ruled India until the mid 1800's, and that the last ruler of true Mongol descent died in the 1920's (pic related, even though I originally thought it was some Uzbek dude).
Native Americans, we un the US tend to paint them as these helpless fringe tribes that were all just waiting to be bulldozed by the europeans, when in reality political forces like the Iroquois League were incredibly influential, and the trade relations that the natives and the yurops enjoyed were so important to the economy at that time.
>>41216 >Really no one idolizes the vikings, they just idolize their own interpretations of them. Which is quite sad considering how interesting the actual vikings were. Meh, I admire the vikings for what they actually did. But I don't give them credit where they don't deserve it either.
>>37057 Carthage. I dont know how Rome survived that assfucking but they did and now everyone thinks they were invincible. Hannibal was Alexander the Great-tier yet all anyone knows about him is that TV cannibal.
Vikings are popular for the same reason zombie apocalypse stories are popular.
Hear me out, when people talk about zombie apocalypses do they talk about killing zombies or what they would do often leaving zombies as a secondary factor? It's the idea of freedom that exists in forging your own destiny with your own hands. People want to regain that freedom that was exchanged for the comfort of modern living.
Vikings represent this, they're people who forge their own destiny, taking life by the reins and achieving what truly matters to them, while also being able to share the spoils of these achievements with their family, friends, and kin. Vikings are also portrayed as badass warriors who rely on strength, skill and courageousness in battle, things prized and rare in modern life.
>>37057 The aesthetic of that whole culture seems to really resonate with people in the west today. I think Tolkien's works had a huge influence on most of the fantasy fiction out there today. Sure he was inspired more by anglo-saxon and Germanic culture but most people can't tell the difference. A friend of mine who enjoys game of thrones said to me that, "the starks are basically Vikings". I don't watch the show but have a feeling this isn't completely accurate
I dont know why other people love them so much, but I know my appeal when I first started getting into them was their religion which to my teen mind seemed like sometihng straight out of comic books. These days I like them because theyre a good example of what happens when tech overcomes might. Those ships of theirs were their single most identifying aspect.
also, great shock troops, and the culture of strength and honor was more believable than typical knights and the like
>>37057 (OP) >Why do people idolise the Vikings so much? probably the same reason pirates have a huge following, the idea of some outlaws that raid and take what they want is entertaining >On a similiar note, who do you think are the most underrated or overlooked people in history? some native american tribes were pretty awesome yes they were all but wiped from the face of the earth but that's because the US Govt/Military had a huge firepower and numbers advantage + the US Govt's tactics of divide and conquer, if more tribes could have gotten over their squabbles and worked together they could have been a pretty tough enemy
People love the vikings because they were the first to do it all. Conquering, raping, pillaging, the vikings settled in almost every continent BEFORE, every group since is copying their tactics from a historical standpoint.
>>52058 I said they MAY have done it first. There are a lot of acts that could be considered ship based piracy way before the vikings. Ships and stealing existed for a very long time, anon. To think that the vikings were the first to do it is silly. Like i said, they did a lot of things well. but not first.
Vikings are mostly thought to have lived in a warrior culture, and warrior cultures are idolized as being meritocratic, after a fashion. The strong rule, the weak live by their sufferance. It's brutal, but fair. This is of course a gross oversimplification of Vikings and Norse culture in general, but it's how most people see them. Savage, yet living "honestly".
As for marginalized people, I really feel bad for the Ainu. Their story of eradication and marginalization isn't uncommon among native peoples of the world, but the way the Japanese have tried to even erase their existence as an independent culture is heartbreaking.
>>37057 They're idolized because people think they're cool. There's a mythical appeal to savage northmen and their depiction in media in shows like Game of Thrones and so on stereotypes them as honourable hot-blooded noble warriors who are harsh but fair, care about the old ways and whatnot.
The actual Norsemen were of course not like that, of course, but I've found that there's often not a middle ground for them: people either idolize them or completely hate them.
Personally, I think they did rather well, considering the circumstances.
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