>>40978 >unjust History is about "is"es not "oughts." Read Hume.
p.s.: The VWP utterly hegemonised justice in French Indochina and the DRVN and RVN with the exception of the revolution in the RVN until 1968 when the VWP destroyed the revolution's capacity for self-defence more out of incompetence (Giap was on the outer and came in too late to cancel the "general uprising" component) than malice.
Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that the anti-war movement was [spoiler]basically made up of a bunch of hypocrites who criticized any American action but didn't say anything when the communists won and began killing everyone[/spoiler]
>>41843 If using Gramsci, based on some of the finest works of Italian bourgeois history to his time, makes me sound like a prat then I would rather sound like a prat than be imprecise in describing the VWP's methods in the RVN.
Why don't you tell us about the two lines in the VWP?
It's just one of many places where shit went bad in the combination of decolonization and the Russian/American pissing contest that followed WWII. Ultimately the concept of just war is ultimately just something used to justify actions after the fact or to legitimize them as they are happening. People with the power to do so will always do whatever they want.
>South Vietnamese conduct commando raids against North Vietnamese >standard MO is for South Vietnamese to ride in on little pontoon boats, infiltrate the North Vietnamese coast, and then all die >US brings along electronic warfare ships to these little get togethers to see North Vietnamese radar capabilities when they turn on their radars looking for the South Vietnamese boats >North Vietnamese torpedo boats end up attacking one such ship, the USS Maddox
Now the second one was just a jumpy sonar operator getting false positives.
>bitch about American imperialism >... >as the soviets are dumping billions into the North's war effort Every commie "intellectual" ever. The commies selling every bit of their expansion as some sort of self determinism thing was one of their biggest coups.
>>42325 >some ontological dialectic Ontological doesn't mean what you think it means.
>>42372 A bit deeper than that. Despite all his problems as a primary source in English try the Australian journalist Burchett (1965) Vietnam: The inside story of a Guerrilla War, International Publishers. US advisors were present in regimental operations in 1963 which the PLAF*1 were winning, against US armour and helicopters.
*1 People's Liberation Armed Forces, the "Vietcong", the military wing of the NFL, the National Front for Liberation, a multi-party national liberation movement which was controlled through the VWP faction.
>>42719 Well, the US elite in the Eisenhower era was more concerned with Thailand and Malaya and Indonesia and the Philippines.
Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia were a backwater, and the RVN only turned a profit through having the US dump vast amounts of treasure into it. Even then, most of it was offshored into Thai, Chinese family network and Catholic Comprador graft networks.
Read up about the US's attempts to introduce American pigs into the RVN.
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