>>41175 It makes sense. He was an old-school nationalist who envisioned a strong independent Europe as a neutral faction between the Soviets and the Americans. To that end, he was pro-Soviet in certain affairs, and would do what he could to limit US influence in the newly-born EU.
>>41637 It should be, but its not. China is careful to not interfere in USs' sphere of influence, and focus only on inner Africa and neighboring nations. I would argue that based on the current political climate, that Russia is still the USSR to Americans. >>41502 >Taliban.
>>41102 We replaced the soviets with china, albeit in a much more passive agressive way. For all of Russias saber rattling, they're a nuclear armed chinese proxy. In a few decades they'll lose their military headstart on the chinese, and become more irrelevant.
>>41718 Yeah, because it's not like America was already in its FIFTH FUCKING YEAR IN A FOREIGN WAR NOBODY WANTED TO FIGHT or anything. Everyone would have loved the idea of two simultaneous foreign ground wars in the early 1970's. There was NOTHING culturally significant going on in the U.S. at that time argue against that discision.
>>41732 Yeah, I kinda miss the old days. I grew up reading Tom Clancy novels I bought from goodwill, with barely any understanding of history. I don't know how I fucking did it. It was a shock to realize it was 2007 and the Soviet Union had already fallen in 1991.
>>42000 Lol what? Communist Afghanistan was a shithole
>>42010 >Yeah, because it's not like America was already in its FIFTH FUCKING YEAR IN A FOREIGN WAR NOBODY WANTED TO FIGHT or anything. Yes, it's a pity that soviet subversion was so successful at fostering the anti-war movement in America. If America had triumphed in SEA, then millions of innocent lives would've been spared.
Also please don't use caps, makes you look like a loudmouth retard.
>>42000 Have you actually read about afghan history? The place was actually decent under its monarchy, and on its way to parliamentary democracy when a coup set up a military dictatorship. The Soviet invasion was to topple that dude.Despite the soviets strides in modernizing the country, it was like setting a bomb in a house you were building. The tribalism, mudjihadeen ,and taliban were born out of the Soviet invasion.
>>42192 It's because its a meaningless buzzword that makes everyone feel good as some neo Nazi throws banana peels at African players. Same reason NFL makes a big deal about breast cancer while their players beat up women
Domestically, they abolished capitalism and swept away the aristocracy, and created a society where every worker got a share, and everyone had the opportunity to work - although the state apparatus consumed far too large of said share. Overseas, there were areas where they supported authoritarians, but they also supported genuinely democratic populist movements against right-wing dictators - and virtually all US clients outside Europe (and even a couple US clients within Europe, like the colonels' Greece and Franco's Spain) were right-wing dictators.
>>43568 >Domestically, they abolished capitalism and swept away the aristocracy, and created a society where every worker got a share, and everyone had the opportunity to work Oh yes, I'm sure the soviet people were very grateful of their murder and enslavement.
> Overseas, there were areas where they supported authoritarians, but they also supported genuinely democratic populist movements against right-wing dictators Right, thanks to the USSR the cambodian people were liberated by Pol Pot, the cuban people liberated by Castro, and the chinese people liberated by Mao!
Likewise, I'm sure eastern europeans were absolutely thrilled about living under stalinian dictatorships!
America opened relations with Mao's regime after it broke from Russia (and stopped the USSR from nuking them, though for all the people Mao killed that was probably better in the long run). It also backed Pol Pot's remnant guerrillas against the Vietnamese-sponsored communist government.
>>45061 >Wałęsa is a devout Roman Catholic. He is a staunch opponent of abortion, and has said that he would rather have resigned the presidency twenty times than sign into law a bill permitting abortion in Poland. In an interview for Polish television in 2012, Wałęsa said that, as a Catholic, he opposes in vitro fertilization and same-sex marriage. based pole
>>42336 It looks like it has won after the USSR fell. Look at the sorry state of the US Government now and we have politicians that do not push away the socialist label that may be elected next year.
Meanwhile, in Russia it looks like capitalism has won. Free market has been extremely successful at rebuilding Russia's lost wealth and the Russian people like having money in their pockets.
We are at the same place we were in a few decades ago, both sides switched ideologies and one had to rebuild itself in that time. Now, Russia is growing stronger but America is decaying. Quite interesting how socialism rots away countries.
The Cold War between America and Russia is still occuring. What happened in 1989-1991 was Russia's influence diminished and they changed their economic system. Look at what happened in Georgia and what's currently happening in Ukraine and Syria. We're still fighting proxy wars with Russia.
>>46707 Differences between the Democratic policy and socialism are virtually nonexistent nowadays. Democrats are socialist and now not even bothering to hide that label. When people called Obongo socialist 7 years ago, democrats got butthurt.
I could go into how many ways you are wrong, but why bother? You have no idea what socialism is, no idea what Obama has done, and whilst Bernie does describe himself as a socialist, he's hardly some kind of Castro-esque radical. Fair wages and worker protections are not socialism.
>>47455 One of my favorite stories of the Cold War is in the wake of when Mengistu's DERG took over Ethiopia, the USSR was eager to start providing them with aid. But when the DERG announced that it would continue the conflict with Somalia that the Selassie administration had begun, the Somalians, who had up till then been Soviet aligned, were left to beg for assistance from the U.S., which they received. So two states did a complete switch-a-roo in their foreign policy in the course of just a few days. It highlights how for a lot of conflicts in the Cold War, "Democracy" and "Communism" were just umbrellas states hid under for protection and legitimacy.
>>41102 Big part of my life, my father hunted Russian subs out of Iceland during the cold war and was gone a lot of the time on 6 month assignments. It was a really interesting time in history especially since there was no major conflict between the two powers and how often we narrowly avoided killing each other (not to mention several accidents involving nuclear weapons).
Also Dr Strangelove is one of the best movies on this time in history.
>>47549 I was born to see the end of the USSR and before I moved to the States I worked in Sweden. I know what real socialism is and what it will bring. You are too easily swayed by the appeal to emotion that the Democratic party has been using.
>>41102 The defeat of communism was inevitable. A system that does not promote growth won't grow. If it doesn't grow, you can't compete against those who do.
If it were to me, though, I'd have played operation unthinkable. The United States had nuclear bombs by 1945 and not using that advtange while the Reds didn't have it was a mistake. As soon as WW2 ended, the US should have started dropping nukes on the Reds and make them surrender just like the Japs.
>>42571 >What? >Incompetence? Partly. The Vietnam War was prosecuted badly on a military level in several ways. For starters, the one-year tour of duty meant that officers were constantly being rotated out and replaced with new ones, which meant that there was no institutional knowledge of guerrilla warfare at the platoon and company levels; veteran officers kept being replaced with green ones wit no opportunity to pass on their knowledge, so each 'generation' of officers had to learn the tricks of fighting the VC anew. The use of kill-counts to determine combat effectiveness was also based on a misconception, that the Vietnamese would be disheartened by casualties the same way the Americans were, and also contributed to a lax attitude towards atrocities against civilians. "If it's dead, it's VC," and all that. And of course, each atrocity was basically free VC propaganda, and in a guerrilla war, having the support of the populace is half the battle. Tl;dr, American forces failed at building a body of institutional counter-guerrilla knowledge for junior officers, understanding the psychology of the enemy, and winning the support of the civilian population.
>>50696 You do realize, even though the Soviets lacked nukes in 1945, they had a plethora of chemical and biological weapons? They weaponized typhus, tularemia, and smallpox. They even captured some Unit 731 scientists.
Patton was a moron. It would've been suicide to fight the Russians in 1945. Europe would've been a cakewalk for them, and though we could bring them down a notch with nukes, they'd have irreversibly damaged us and the rest of the world with the biological and chemical agents they had at the time.
>>57643 no, just regular canadian nobody really likes the quebec people, most talk big on seperating but then complain about not having the resources to do it on their own, the people that live there are a mixed bag of stereotypical canadian nice guys are snooty cocks, their french isn't even real french, and yet it is required to be spoken during political holdings, it's put on all labeling/advertising, even in places that contain no french people. And it's even mandatory in some schools for a time, all because those false-frogs won't let go and keep french as an "official canadian language" It's not really the people as much as the political background that surrounds them
When the Bloc was a thing they held alot of power in the legislature particularly with minority governments and pretty much blackmailed the governments into better deals for Quebec. Equalization payments are also a touchy issue, they haven't made a net positive payment since 1956. This in itself isn't a huge issue since the maritimes haven't contributed in decades but Quebec has the cheapest university tuition rates, government subsidized daycare, etc. This makes it seems Quebec is spending money where it shouldn't and leeching off the rest of Canada.
I think it's one of the most boring parts of world history. Too many names, bureaucratic terms, dates, movements, etc., to remember.
Nothing came out of more than three decades of hot and cold hostility. The closest we got to war was supplying weapons to countries that didn't like the USSR. The whole thing was just a huge "my dad can beat up your dad" bout, that, all in all, was just two countries feeling threatened by the size, power and success of each other.
>>41502 What about letting Nazis go free in return for info on Russia?
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