My current top 5 is as follows: 1. Moor Empire 2. Songhai Empire 3. Mali Empire 4. Axum Empire 5. Umayyad I suppose Rome is eligible for the top 15 or so, and all of the Chinese Dynasties can fill the remaining spots in the top 30. Anything else missing from this?
>>46708 Acahaemenid/First Persian Empire is the greatest in terms of total population under its control:
>44.48% (50 million out of 112.4 million in 480 BC) of world population
Anyway in terms of influence, impact, duration, and general standings:
1. First Persian Empire 2. Roman Empire/WRE 3. British Empire 4. Neo Persian Empire tied with Byzantine Empire/ERE 5. Ottoman Empire 6. Safavid Empire 7. Mongol Empire 8. Abbasid/Caliphate Empire 9. French Empire 10. Spanish Empire
Probably something like -Rome -Britain -USA -France Since these are the countries that have contributed the most to society as a whole. The Romans, after all, practically invented modern society, and were the first true 'western' nation, and their power and influence is felt today. Shit, even their language is still around, through ours right now. The Brits were probably the most successful conquerors ever, given they owned some 25% of the entire world's landmass simultaneously, and still have significant influence over the world. The USA had all that cold war bullshit and nukes and the world wars and they're pretty influential I guess. And the French paved the way for democracy in Europe thanks to the Napoleonic code and shit and they also invented lotsa cool shit and shit
>>46908 >>47076 >>46814 >implying African empires weren't richer in culture than that of shitty cave people The Moors and Umayyads are responsible for all of the achievements of the West. If it weren't for Moors, whites would still be flinging feces at eachother.
>>47166 >the first persian empire wasn't very stable It lasted for just under 3 centuries, it was plenty stable. It was a dynasty change with the Achaemenid branch family replacing their Median relatives; essentially a second dynasty ruling the first Iranian Empire from 615 BC to 331 BC.
>they didn't really have a unified culture Yes they did. Also remember, Persian culture and especially the language was to the Near East and Central Asia what Latin was in Europe.
The courts of the various Turkic dynasties, Ottoman Empire, Mongols, and even Arab caliphates spoke Persian for example as language of gentry.
>>47188 Wouldn't you say plenty considering the Macedonians under Alexander tried to spread it and combine it with Hellenism?
Sure they had the largest empire in terms of area and continuous territories but they didn't last very long at all and even Ghengis' grandson failed in his bid to set up a dynasty in China which lasted not even a generation after his death
The mongols were great conquerors and nothing else
>>47390 Nah. Persians had an empire that reached from parts of Central Asia, Eurasia, North Africa, the Near East and Europe. So did the Romans and Byzantines, so did the Caliphate and Abbasids, and Ottoman Empire.
The Mongols were not the first nor were the Brits.
Number 1 is America, except for military ranking there Mongolia is higher. My reasoning is the US can conventionally beat anyone but is checked by Russia with nukes, no one could withstand the full might of the Mongols.
Second place I don't know. Rome or Britain I guess.
>>47342 My justification would be they were pretty great power, often on par with the Ottoman Empire at its peak and its greatest rival and like some have mentioned actually had duration going for it unlike the Mongols.
Also the Ottoman Empire and Safavid Empire both basically form the basis of the modern day Middle East, North Africa, and Caucasus regions as well as parts of Central Asia.
>>47496 their pony express was extremely important for the world economy and they brought the plauge to the western world. they also sacked baghdad, the economic, social, intellectual power house at the time
>>47546 The Islamic Caliphate literally was more or less better in terms of opponents it fought; cut the Byzantine Empire in half, destroyed the Neo Persian Empire, literally were untouchable in the late 7th to 9th centuries, and also the Islamic world was what repulsed and delievered the first of the Mongols defeats.
>>47506 how gullible are you? Jesus i hope this is a troll post or else i have just lost any faith i had in humanity. What dumb ass on the internet told you that spectacular piece of bullshit? It comes from the latin word for black "nigrum" or any other romantic derivation of that word.
>>47597 >Lasted longer. Citation required. >Spawned several khanates which went on to be quite successful in their own right. I don't really care about splinter facets of the Mongol Empire; the Yaun dynasty failed to even last a full century under Kublai and his son.
The other Khannates fell apart in Central Asia and Near East once Turks started showing up. Face, Mongols were not particularly competent as administrators or rulers and their greatest failing was duration.
In order of most influential to the modern world 1. Mongol Empire (This was the turning point from the Classical age into the Modern. It connected all of asia, allowing for diffusion of ideas and culture, as well as being the largest Empire geographically) 2. Islamic Caliphate (One of the greatest cultural and scientific golden ages of all history; it layed way for the renaissance in Europe, connected a huge area under trade, developed a law code still used today, and united a huge number of people under a belief system, again, still used today) 3. British Empire (Largest trade empire I'm history, spread western culture across the globe, and played the largest role in the age of colonization.
>>47580 >their pony express >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Road >Mounted couriers could travel 1677 miles (2699 km) in seven days; the journey from Susa to Sardis took ninety days on foot. >The Greek historian Herodotus wrote, "There is nothing in the world that travels faster than these Persian couriers." >Herodotus's praise for these messengers—"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds"— was inscribed on the James Farley Post Office in New York and is sometimes thought of as the United States Postal Service creed.
Also system of governors (satraps), and overseers and spies would have a huge influence on the Hellenistic world and later be transplanted to Rome.
>>48021 >no, just because you conquer a group of people it doesnt mean that they adopt the title of the conquering nation
The romans actually made efforts to "romanize" their conquered people.
>britain conquered south africa and india, but theyre not british. They are still african and Indian.
First off, the Indians, at the time of the neo-colonialism already had one of the oldest surviving civilization, culture and religion of the world, its quite hard to actually "convert" those people to western culture.
>We're talking about empires anyways, not race. Stop trying to inject black people into everything
Im not the anon who tried to say romans were black, just pointing there WERE black romans, which is undoubtedly true.
>>48193 WTF are you bitching about? I was agreeing with you. Besides ONE province, all of Roman held Africa was non black. Mauretania was the only province with any significant black population. This isn't about /pol/ or tumbler.
>>48159 Oh gotcha. I think the argument might strongly rely on the effects of his hellenisation of the Persian world. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mongols just rode around collecting tributes while Alexander left behind a bunch of strong Hellenistic states. That'd be my argument at least
>just pointing there WERE black romans, which is undoubtedly true
This shit reminds me of all the nonsense regarding the races of the Egyptians. Nobody on the internet can fucking settle for the fact that some Egyptians (including one of the dynasties) were black, AND that that doesn't make Egypt a black civilization.
>>48362 The Hellenic influence wasn't really that lasting. Most of the Diadochi fell almost immediately except the Ptolemies and Seleucids. After the Seleucids the Parthians basically undid all that jazz in Persia.
The real lasting influences were in Egypt and Pontus.
The Mongols had splinter Khanates that hung around until almost the 1700s (Chagatai was the last to fall I beleive), so its kind of a toss up but people like to think one is objectively BETTER than the other.
Empires that greatly influenced culture and thinking: >Macedonian Empire >Augustus's Roman Empire >Kingdom of Egypt >Ottoman Empire >Achaemenid/Persian Empire
Empires that left their mark on the world via brutal warfare >Any Mongolian Empire >Songhai Empire >Zulu Empire
Empires that had a heavy hand in Trade and controlled much of the money flowing through the world: >Kingdom of Axum >China >British Empire >Late Roman/Byzantine Empire
Modern Empires that set the stage for the modern world: >United States >British Empire >Spanish Empire >Portuguese Empire >Third Reich >Russian Empire/U.S.S.R >French Empire
Overall Influential Empires: >Macedonian Empire (Spread hellenistic/greek culture through the ancient world) >Achaemenid Empire (First extremely powerful empire) >Roman Empire (Undeniable legacy, many empires after sought to imitate Roman glory) >China (Mainstay in the east, you can't mention Asian history without talking about China in some form) >Ottoman Empire (Kicked down the door to Europe, brought the Sunni faith deep into the continent and started the Renaissance indirectly by sending Byzantine refugees to Italy) >British/French/Spanish/Portuguese Empires (spread their arms around the world, unifying the lands and bringing technology everywhere) >United States (see above, but also became a world megapower influencing politics up to today) >Russia (see above, but to a lesser degree than the U.S after the U.S.S.R dissolved)
I discount the Mongolian Empires because they didn't do much besides spread their seed and pillage everything. They were impressive to be sure, but they weren't influential in the grand scheme of things.
>>48932 >not influential in the grand scheme of things >literally eliminate the Abbasid empire and destroy the foundation of scholarship in the ME >literally make Islam more widespread in Central Asia and Persia
>>47865 Alexander's Empire, well it didn't last a single year after his death once the Diodachi ate it up. The Seleucids also lost control of most of the Iranian territories and the Arsacids revived Iranian and Persian culture. To be honest if you ignore the bump in pre-Islamic Iranian history with Alexander's conquest of the Achaemenids, you had the 617 BCE to 651 AD of continuous Imperial expansion by them.
>>48932 Achaemenids were the first global empire, they spanned three continents, were larger then the Roman Empire at its height and its founding had them destroy four world superpowers; the Egyptian Kingdom, the Lydian Empire, Median Empire, and the Babylonian Empire.
>>48932 See >>48571 The Hellenization of Persia didn't last long enough to make it as influential as the other empires mentioned. Hellenization in Rome and Carthage started well before Alexander or Phillip, so that doesn't figure in either.
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