so, /his/torians, where are you at on the path to enlightenment?
I recently had a bit of an epiphany about how i have been living my life, leading do a path of destruction.
i had read about the teachings of Buddha in the past, and after more current research, am embarking on a journey to end suffering, and live a better life.
What's your story? and currently practicing Buddhists on here?
Actually I don't understand since Enlightenment is a 0-point where there is no improvement or degrading whatsoever, just 1 standard of mindset in which everything is at peace so if there's any varying levels of intensity you're not doing it right.
i've been reading What the Buddha Taught by Dr. Walpola Rahula. In it he says Nirvana (enlightenment) is not the result of anything. Nirvana is. Truth is. It is not the effect of a cause. You may get to the mountain from a path, but the mountain is not the result, or an effect of the path.
Really clarified things for me in a sense, hopefully it helps you
Good, but you also need a fundamental understanding of the religion first. Going with 1 single school to the end will give you lot more insight than pick/choose from all schools without specific school.
I'd recommend learn 1 tradition first and then branch out if needed.
Thank you for the guidance. I'm thinking Zen. Ive been studying and i've accepted the 4 Noble Truths. I've been trying to use the eightfold path as a guidance tool living my life. I meditate daily, and focus on mindfulness as well.
Im intrigued by Zen, because it seems like the most back to basics, stripped down, un ritualistic traditions. I feel getting caught up in rituals takes away from what the true purpose is
I'm telling ya, What the Buddha Taught by Walpola Rahula
9 bucks on amazon, and it's the best read i've had so far. Short, simple chapters that convey what the Buddha actually said and meant
You'll need to re-understand the meaning of ritual. Zen proper is ritualistic. What you might have heard/seen is the westernized romanticized view of Zen. Clear your mind of preconceived notion of Buddhist schools and you'll get a lot more understanding that way. Trust me, all you're doing is limiting your mind.
Goes like this
Sri Lankan and Thailander etc westernize Buddhism in response to Protestant missionaries
Later gets picked up by West
Buddhists missionaries later make it more palatable to the west new age type by removing dogmatic elements
Finally it is watered down by rich white suburbanites who don't know jack("Reincarnation is a metaphor, Buddhism is not a religion/a peaceful religion).
Buddhism is a mind virus that tries to convert lazy people to anti-intellectualism. Its concept of "enlightenment" is nothing more than striving to weaken one's mind until only the most superficial kind of consciousness remains. I think it's probably even worse than suicide.
It's pretty easy to get into it because it mostly doesn't make any sense, you just have to "contemplate" supposed paradoxes, which are in fact simple puns.
Enlightenment, at least, is the buddhist sense, is free yourself of desire, but then again, the desire of enlightenment is a desire of itself, but one will not achieve enlightenment if one does not desire for it, so in the end, you do not escape from desire, you are just letting the desire of no desire controlling your state of mind.
It is quite paradoxical, like nothingness does not exist, because even if it does, then we lose everything, we still have nothingness because it belongs outside of that everything, which is contradictory.
“Enlightenment is a destructive process. It
has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier. Enlightenment is the
crumbling away of untruth. It's seeing
through the facade of pretence. It's the
complete eradication of everything we
imagined to be true.”
>the desire of enlightenment is a desire of itself
You brought up a good point. There had been many debated within the buddhist community about this. The debate was about whether enlightenment is a gradual process or whether its a sudden occurrence. The gradual proponents say that by building your mental fortitude/habits/karma (same meaning), your mind will become more and more sharper and it will be clearer and clearer with wisdom. The sudden enlightenment school emphases on awakening through removal of preconceived notions of reality with everyday habits. Needless to say, both went along with their route and intermingled with each other. They recognize the need/desire for enlightenment is a first step towards enlightenment. Buddhist notion of "sin" is called "wholesome" and "unwholesome" acts. Basically things that help toward the path of enlightenment are considered wholesome and those that deter from it are unwholesome acts. Desire for enlightenment is seen as a wholesome act because it acts as a gateway to enlightenment.
You might be mistaken. There are no "hidden" reality behind what you see. Your emotions/opinions are the reality. However you can take note of that understanding and better yourself.
Nirvana = Samsara, they are not separate.
I've come the conclusion that we need a revolution to overtake the system that purposely divides us. We need to move past hate and money to achieve that brighter tomorrow we all want. Life is not a business.
I said you didn't get it; or if you're pitch-hitting then it doesn't matter since you don't get it. You can't quantify Enlightenment but you're doing it. There are no analogies to speak of but it's not even a path. Like I said, it's a 0-point of no measure. There's nothing to search for or path analogy once you get it - it's a done deal. A complete after effect of existence, and you don't understand, so don't pitch hit for anybody else. You're quantifying it and thus you end up with varying degrees of something that doesn't have it and thus you lose it before you even find it. Sorry about that.
thank you, no need to apologize. I am learning about the religion, the philosophy. I can only learn so much from books and the internet, that's why i came here, seeing if there were any practicing Buddhists.