Let's discuss Scandinavia during 700-1100
>you will never experience a modern day scandinavia where the norse culture was preserved
Feels really bad man.
>tfw no stavehouses left that werent't built with christian intent
Look at Europe. Look at what your religion has caused with it's universalistic ideas, it's weakness and it's destruction of our true cultures.
>Do people have a favourite god / story?
My personal favorite will probably be Thor, because he's such a folkly god, although I've lately grown more and more fond of the Allfather.
I don't know, there are a lot of them.
You really should leave out the r at the end. It's a grammatical spelling (nominative) that isn't used in English, so leaving it in when not speaking Norse is incorrect.
How embarrassing, I've been speaking it outloud with the 'r' sound at the end with my Norwegian friend. I've been saying something like:
"hime dall er"
He's the only one I've spoke to about Norse stuff so I never knew if I was saying things right.
But it's a pretty based story. Here, have U1161 with cute Thor.
Thor, because he was a God so loved by the people that they refused to give him up after Christianization, same with Freyr. Odin was always a more Jupiter-esque persona, both beloved and terrified of, and he was easily transmittable into Yahweh.
The story when Thor, Loki and those two kids (forgot their names) enter the hall of the giant to win back Freya. The part where Thor wrestles against Time (as an old hag) and loses really struck me.
Þegar hitti Þór
þá munum við berjast.
Staðfastur og stór
standa mun og verjast.
Agnið beit víst á,
Ásgarður mig svíkur.
ég er sá sem víkur.
Why be nice to those who do not share your blood? It is that kind of thinking that led to our current situation where the white world is being completely destroyed by foreign hordes praying on our kindness. Put the needs of your own kin before the needs others.
>Was it sneaky praying or outright stuff?
Not him, but actually, yes. While showing public dedication to the old gods was prohibited, a lot kept their faith and practised in their homes. The stubbornness to keep what's theirs is why Scandis still to this day have old viking traditions going, although in "christian clothing".
You're just stupid. The whole situation in the middle east is the literal backlash of your mindset. If people didn't think like you, there wouldn't be millions pumping into Europe, which obviously isn't desirable.
You what? The aggressive wars of Israel against the people of the middle east has nothing to do with the well being of my Nordic people.
I'm just saying that we should always but our own peoples needs before the needs of others, and if that means plundering your enemies villages then so be it. The vikings did nothing wrong.
>NO ONE EXCEPT PURE WHITES ARE WORTHY OF HUMANE TREATMENT
>I'M 30, AMERICAN STILL LIVE AT HOME AND TALK ABOUT MY 1/32 SCANDINAVIAN HERITAGE ON A WEBSITE FOR INDONESIAN CARICATURES
How are Israel responsible for violence in Syria?? If anything NATO backing rebels in the civil war is to blame...
>Mass plundering of enemy villages
The Vikings started the aggression and they murdered innocent monks and civilians, its like arguing that the bombing of Hiroshima or Dresden or the Blitz were at all justifiable
I'll stop responding you now. Here, have a last (You).
Nowhere in any Norse writing is the idea of racial superiority present.
The bible however, in Revelations 7:2/3 it is stated that only the "children of Israel"-jews can go to heaven.
Good luck going to heaven without being born jewish.
Nah, i just don't want to derail the thread more by arguing with someone who clearly have no understanding of geopolitics.
That's interesting. What about the sails using only diagonal lines?
>start viking history thread
>suddenly discussions about race and whiteness
Why did I even expect anything else?
Mjolnirs were first worn as a direct response to Christians wearing crosses. There was a period of dual Christianity/Paganism and then eventually just official Christianity, but Paganism survived for hundreds of years. Thor worship was generally allowed for hundreds of years after Christianization. Some folklorists in the 19th/early 20th century noted Scandinavian farmers still referenced Thor when thunderstorms passed through and even offered Thor votives for good harvest.
Paganism somewhat survived in rural Europe in various forms until the industrial revolution. For example, some scholars (Stuart Piggot ex.) argued that parts of Highland Scotland were pagan and living in the Iron Age all the way until the 19th century.
>Mjolnirs were first worn as a direct response to Christians wearing crosses.
Thorshammers, m8. Mjölnír is the name of the one hammer, not the pendant around people's necks.
And yes, it was a way to religiously identify one another, just like the Christians did with their crosses, but that happened before forn sed was looked down upon and publicly shunned and outlawed.
The whole argument that the Vikings shouldn't have converted to Christianity is utter nonsense. The successor Kingdoms, especially Denmark needed to convert in order to a be a viable political force during middle age Europe. For anyone to remain pagan essentially means shunning by all of Europe
A hypothetical crusade into Scandinavia would be a good "what if" topic. Sans Denmark, and Iceland due to its reliance on foreign trade, it would have been difficult, particularly due to Scandinavia's hostile terrain. Mountainous, treacherous waters, lack of beaches to land ships. The crusaders had a tough time in the Baltic, taking a full century to conquer the Balts and then dealing with various uprisings and skirmishes and problems with Poles and Russians and infighting. Imagine trying to land in Scandinavia? Then in comparison, the Scandinavians during the Crusades were a lot more formidable and richer than the Balts. I'm not so sure Scandinavia could have been tamed by crusaders.
I don't know man, Denmark managed to destroy Norway and Sweden a couple of times during the early middle ages. Not only that, Sweden wasn't a unified force until the mid 1300s. If the crusade was spearheaded by Denmark, then I think it would be pretty viable.
What if all of Europe had remained pagan and kept their own culture and religion?
But with land invasions? I always thought Denmark dominated Scandinavia through political maneuvering. I may be wrong, I'm no expert in post-Viking age Scandinavia.
We'd probably end up with some kind of established religion based in Rome, like Catholicism but based on the Roman pantheon, with enough wiggle room for others to keep their national Gods.
>"Let's discuss vikings"
>muh white heritage
>rehashed unhistorical nonsense dragged straight out of the national romantic era
>"Why cant I be pagan guys?"
>Vikings were supermen, nationalists who hated immigrants bcuz idunno
Jesus christ /his/ how can you be this fucking disappointing already.
How didn't we keep our culture? If anything, the industrial revolution was largely the death of local cultural customs in Europe. Just look at how Europe developed after Christianisation, it kept some practices and developed new ones, I don't see the obsession with claiming the whole pagan European thing as >muh culture while concurrently shitting on almost 2000 years of ancestors. Heritage Americans are funny people desu
>lack of beaches to land ships
Have you visisted Sweden at all? Because this sounds like something you just say and hope that no one calls you on it.
Most people lived (and still live) in the south, where you have plenty of natural harbors and sandy beaches.
Compare the generic "western culture" that all the converted nations share to the culture of for example the Japan, where Shinto-Buddhism was allowed to continue dominating the society.
What we have today in Scandinavia is not really our true culture.
It was a mix of both. Norway relied mainly on its navy, which Denmark managed to destroy a couple of times. Canute the Great also had a successfull land invasion of Norway during the early 1000s. Denmark had Southern Sweden since its creation, which allowed for a easy way into Sweden. The problem would be the far north, but not a whole lot of people lived there during that time if any at all.
The thing is, I ACTUALLY care about history, but posting kewl pics of awesome vikings and speculate what vikings would think about multiculturalism is fucking shit, and I knew that this would happen.
Lol, Japans culture is the way it is because of isolationism. Most practices have their origins in a mixture of China and Korea anyway. Japan really is a terrible example, the Meiji restoration was introduced because Japan was so buttfuck behind because of its obsession with not progressing, leading it susceptible to Western influence. Obviously you've never been to Japan, because really, its just like a Western country except with Asian people, so kind of like Australia I guess...
The thing is most of the things you find are not spectacular, "museum"type things, but I assume you know that.
I did find a small bronze-ring, possibly from a fancy shoe, lots of animal bones (both burned and unburned), seeds of different sorts.
On the last dig I attended we found a small gold pendant, shaped like a shamrock almost, with red garnets. That was cool, sort of wish I found it though.
>The thing is most of the things you find are not spectacular, "museum"type things, but I assume you know that.
Of course. Not all remains are sensational.
>On the last dig I attended we found a small gold pendant, shaped like a shamrock almost, with red garnets. That was cool, sort of wish I found it though.
Cool. Where as this, or any idea from it came (in terms of people etc)
Yeah it was actually.
I really do like the Scandinavian late iron age, but I loathe how misunderstood it is by almost everyone.
You either glorify the shit out of the scandinavians or villify them to shit. Both these positions are fucking dumb and not historically based.
I don't know if there is a word for this, like learning a great deal about something then having to listen to people claim to also have an interest and then proceeding to completely butcher the topic.
>There is now a board where I can talk about vikings and Norse paganism at length
>None of the political bickering that comes with /pol/ threads
>None of the dick measuring contest bullshit of /int/
>None of the pseudo-intellectual pretension of /lit/
Today is a good day. Now, who here thinks Ragnarr Lodbrok was a real person?
I doubt that he was the father of so many viking kings but he was presumably real. And yeah, fuck that stupid 'History' Channel show.
The /his/ dream is real and it doesn't need to die.
>fuck that stupid 'History' Channel show.
This. They literally, I repeat LITERALLY, put a FICTIONAL character from a SAGA in the show to have an affair with AN ACTUAL HISTORICAL PERSON.
Not a fan of the vikings honestly, shitty warriors past the 9th century plus they were awful at keeping history and advancing culturally with the rest of yurope, fuck em
>Being good at killing the fuck out of people and taking their shit
>not a useful skill
If you knew why he did it, you wouldn't say that. I too dislike the eradication of historical sites, but I do understand and agree with his viewpoint. So yes, he shouldn't have done it, but it's not like it was a shitty act for the fun of it.
Not a god, but Ratatösk is a funny little guy.
A squirrel sowing discord between the eagle living on top of Yggdrasil and the dragon Nidhögg who lives at Yggdrasils roots is just too droll.
Btw, does anyone listen to Wardruna?
The old names and some costums survived in Germany until now.
The German word for "Thursday" for example is "Donnerstag", which goes back to "Donars Day", Donar being the German name for Thor.
Folk stories also very often retain some influences by the old pagan culture, for example Wagners "Ring of the Nibelungs" is based on a pagan saga.
What outsiders don't get about our culture is that at its core, it's a very simple celebration of life. We Nordics have always valued closeness to nature, hard work, silly fun in our spare time, spending time with family, a small tight knit group of friends, or by ourselves, enjoying the small pleasures of life. Not getting caught up in complex tasks and affairs. That's what Nordic culture is really about, Asatru and vikings are irrelevant.
I'm mostly not interested talking about Vikings being awesome as much as I'm just interested in how they actually lived. So these threads (not counting the shitposters) is already a mixed bag for me.
>but it's voiceless, so it's little more than a whisper.
The most interesting thing is that Asatro never died. It took christian missionaries centuries, but finally they convinced the vikings that Rangarok had already happened, and the two humans left alive were in fact Adam and Eve.
So in scandinavia, people went on thinking christianity was merely a continuation of asatro.
It's like the difference between "s" and "z;" if you make both sounds in succession, you'll notice that your vocal chords vibrate on the "z" and not on the "s." That's the change you need to make.
c-can we have anglo saxons on here as well? The anglo saxons and vikings were bros, the vikings just raided christian monasteries. are we welcome ?
The Anglo-Saxons were those Christians that vikings raided. And also the ones that got conquered by the Danes. And also the ones that got conquered by the Normans and their Norwegian buddies.
Anglo-Saxons and vikings were not bros.
the anglo saxons were pagans ;)
vikings only raided christian monasteries. they never raided anglo saxon villages ;)
watch some varg, buddy ;)
Valhalla is a great hall in Asgard, so the picture is correct.
Helheim is another, seperate place for the dead, though. Those who died bravely in battle go to Valhalla (where they become the so-called Einherjar, Odins undead warriors that fight with him at Ragnarök), while those who died the "straw death" (i.e. the old or sick) go to Helheim, a miserable, grey place.
Ah, thanks for the clarification.
I got that from this site:
But I skimmed the page a while ago when I was bored on a smoke break and didn't bother to check the info. I really need to sit down and read the source material.