>thousands of shoes >piles of jewelry >millions of missing jews >hondreds of documents and confessions from nazi's >hundreds of thousands of eyewitnesses >dozens of concentration camps >mass graves full of dead jews
>>62550 Based on your common sense everyday perception of the Earth, it is flat as far as we can tell, it is motionless as far as we can tell, and everything appears to be revolving around us. If no one told you otherwise you would logically assume that this is the case.
Our eyes and experience tells us that the world is flat, when we cease to believe our own eyes we prostrate ourselves at the hands of the very pseudo-scientists that are blinding us. Treat them as experts, astronomical "priests" with special knowledge only they can access like the hubble telescope.
By brainwashing us of something so gigantic and fundamental, it makes all the lesser indoctrination's a piece of cake. Earth being the flat, fixed center of the universe, around which everything in the heavens revolves denotes a special importance and significance not only the Earth, but to us humans, the most intelligent among the intelligent designer's designs. By turning Earth into a spinning ball thrown around the Sun and shot through infinite space from a Godless Big Bang they turn humanity into a random meaningless, purposeless accident of a blind, dumb universe! It's trauma-based mind-control! They beat the divinity out of us with their mental manipulations.
And the end-game of this deception is world domination which they plan on ushering in based on a fake alien invasion like in ID4 and other sci-fi movies. A hundreds years ago nobody believed in "aliens." Nowadays everyone's sure they exist because of NASA, Disclosure Project and other propaganda programs:
Well, wont you expect us to belive Germans dont you? A race of cowards and failures who need to blame other for their faults everysingle day and are proud of God knows that, but never tell them that you know that they are a failure, they will get mad, yell and cry. The same applies to their -boos.
>>62580 Master Troll, can't be anything else that's like Time Cube levels of retardation, and no one can be that stupid. Right? Oh fucking god please tell me I'm right. Unrleated >If the Holocaust wasn't real, where did all the Jews go?
Excerpt: 'Hitler’s views of human life and the natural order were total and circular. All questions about politics were answered as if they were questions about nature; all questions about nature were answered by reference back to politics. The circle was drawn by Hitler himself. If politics and nature were not sources of experience and perspective but empty stereotypes that existed only in relation to each other, then all power rested in the hands of those who circulated such stereotypes. Reason was replaced by references, argumentation by incantation. The “struggle,” as the title of the book gave away, was “mine”: Hitler’s. The totalistic idea of life as struggle placed all power to interpret any event in the mind of its author.'
The thought process sounded oddly familiar. Is the article historically accurate in your reckoning?
>>62654 THE MIDDLE AGES ARE A HOAX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesis THE MIDDLE-AGE-OHOAX IS A CONSPIRACY MADE UP BY KEVIN COSTNER AS A MARKETING CAMPAIGN FOR ROBIN HOOD PRINCE OF THEIVES WAKE UP SHEEPLE A K E
>>62700 Pictured here is a scene from the alleged "Boston Tea Party", a spontaneous protest against British taxation. But if the protest was spontaneous, why was the artist at the location with all his materials ready to make the sketch?
They have been jerking their cut dicks to the idea of mass suffering, the census for the jew in Europe was something like 13 million. How can you say that 12 million, if not more, died in the same 50 years.
>>62773 THE AMERICAN REVO-LIARS CLAIM THE BOSTON MASSACRE WAS COMMITED BY THE BRITISH? BUT IN ACTUAL FACT THAT WAS A LIE PERPETRATED BY THE ETERNAL CANADIAN, THE TRUE CULPRIT. THE "VICTIMS" WEREN'T SHOT AT ALL, BUT RATHER DESTROYED BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION
>>62876 Did you PERSONALLY see George Washington cross the Delaware? Of course not, because he NEVER crossed the Delaware, that's a deliberate mistranslation, he crossed the RUBICON, and it was CEASER who crossed the Delaware, Open you eyes the Roman Occupation government! All History is a lie, Rome never fell, Romulus Augustus escaped to Argentina!
>>62791 That number includes Roma, Poles, Dissidents, Communists, German Catholics and all of the other various and sundry people that they didn't want. By claiming that it's just the jews and disputing the numbers, you betray a lack of knowledge.
This particular image was debunked ages ago. Besides those pictures have nothing to do with the so called holocaust. Still waiting for those gas chaber pics. Don't look at google iages for the you will not find any.
Nobody ever said 4-5 millions were killed with Zyklon B specifically, it was a method among many others.
>I hope you realise that without the industrial mass scale extermination of Jews there is no "holocaust"
But that's wrong you fucking retard. In Rwanda the Hutu went halfway through successfully suppressing the Tutsu from the surface of the earth in just a matter of weeks. Most of the killing was done with machetes. Are you going to claim the Rwandan genocide is a hoax too?
The wikipedia source says "killings of Jews by German Einsatzgruppen in Ukraine".
The rifle is wrong the uniform is wrong and even if the photo was authentic it doesn't prove that 6 gorillion jews were killed in homicidal evul nazi gas chambers. When will you mongoloids understand what the term "holocaust" refers to?
But the vast majority of Jews were allegedly killed on an industrial scale on "extremination camps". 1 million Jews alone in Treblinka. How many Jews were killed in Belarus and Ukraine by the Einsatzgruppen and its collaborators?
Holocaust refers to the sacrifice of a lamb in ancient Jewish tradition or something and in the modern sense is applied metaphorically to the mass killing aka genocide of Jews during WWII. What is your point exactly, nazi boy?
Already said that 6 million times random photos of dead bodies and starving jews don't prove that 6 gorillion jews were exterminated at homicidal gas chambers.
>testimony of the people who actually did the killing
Eye witness accounts are unreliable for an event that is the "most well documented in history" (sic) you must have more than that. Were the giant masturbation machines real? Were the electrified floors real?
>>63099 >It's a Yugo Rifle Jeez it looks like a fucking blur to me you fucking moron. Do you know how fucking similar those two rifles are? >Typical SS combat uniform You sure about that one mate? You posted a VERY specific SS uniform when they have fucking loads of different ones like a fucking barbie doll. Secondly the Einttaztguppen were drawn from a variety of different units and thus wore many different uniforms. You image is deliberately misleading.
And in case you think that those testimonies are just some wacko jews making up stories mainstream holocaust "scholars" accept all kinds of cazy stuff for example:
>The bodies were placed on grates over wood, splashed with petrol, and burned. It was a harrowing sight, according to Jankiel Wiernik, with the bellies of pregnant women exploding from boiling amniotic fluid.
Anon sitting on the fence here. Someone please use a rational argument with empirical, unbiased evidence to convince me one way or the other.
I've seen a lot of evidence that many people have lied to support the idea that Nazis systematically attempted to exterminate the Jewish race and killed 6 million in the attempt. Much of the evidence to support the holocaust claims is from biased sources, and while much of the opposition is also biased, there are independent historians and investigators who actually gave up their freedom to publish books denying the holocaust was as described. What was their motive?
I've also seen a lot of evidence that German soldiers massacred whole villages on the eastern front, particularly during the withdrawal. There's no doubt that there were German camps for political dissidents and Germans certainly had motives to want the Jews out of the way.
At the moment I suspect the numbers of dead and the motives of the Germans have been greatly exaggerated to support a narrative that was used to garner sympathy and justify the creation of Israel. I'm trying to keep an open mind though so give me your most convincing UNBIASED, EMPIRICAL evidence, if any of you have some.
you dont get to keep your possesions in any prison
>millions of missing jews
prove it. the only group that reported dead jews was the red cross that operated in nazi concentration camps and only recored around 300,000 jewish deaths in auschwits from typhus and starvation. statistic showed no drop in jewish population until a few years after the war ended
they were not consistent. one nazi official claimed he killed 3million jews in his camp, that number was later changed to 4million and is now currently 1.1million
we went over that the nazis were liars. no jewish witnesses ever saw the gas chamber(or they'd be dead) the only jewish eyewitnesses that saw the "gas chambers" were the ones that allegedly worked them(the nazis had jews working the gas chamber? yea okay). these accounts are unreliable as well because they claim they would burn five bodies in each oven at once and it would only take 30 minutes. the ovens were only big enough to fit 2 and a body that is at least 100 pounds takes 1 hour to cremate meaning cremating 15 out of 2000 bodies per hour, meaning 1 gassing a week, meaning 6mil couldnt have died by the wars end
Yes, hitler imprisoned jews. the holocaust translates to the "burning" and refers to the actual genocide, not their imprisonment
fleas spread typhus throughout the camps and when germany started losing, food ran short and feeding prisoners was last on the list. to many people were dying from typhus and starvation to cremate so they had to bury them
in the blueprints to auschwits, the supposed underground gas chambers were labed "leichencaller" which means corpse celler. being that these rooms were underground and the ovens were so small, its much more likely that there were no gas chambers and these rooms were for storing those who died and keeping the bodies cold underground until they were ready for cremation
Look, you drooling retard. I don't know in which language I must explain that. It's a thing that existed in both Greek and Jewish traditions. It was used to refer to sacrifices in Jewish traditions way before the war because in English and French languages we tend to use greek words rather than hebrew words. It doesn't matter, it refers to a Jewish tradition either way, metaphorically, applied to the mass slaughter of Jews.
What the hell are you even on about? And for the record I'm a non-believing catholic, I just hate stupid people and all flavors of fascist faggots (including the Jewish ones). Of course you're not going to believe that because you're a moronical faggot. Well fuck you, believe what you want, just crawl back to the slimy hole you belong in.
>>62680 No there weren't. There were a bunch of isolated newspaper articles between the late 1800s and 1939 which used the words "Jews" and "6 million" in them. Considering that there were roughly this amount in the Russian Empire, and the Russian Empire was extremely antisemitic and known for having Pogroms, as well as the widespread use of newspapers at the time, it is neither farfetched nor unreasonable to have this many articles discussing this number of people at risk. They never claimed that 6 million were dead, they claimed they were at risk.
>WHERE IF THE PROOFS >here >NO YOUR PROOFS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH LALALALA FINGERS IN EAR Anyway here is Himmler ranting about exterminating the jews for half an hour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Himmler_Posen_Speech_-_Extermination_of_the_Jews_excerpt,_Oct_4,_1943.ogg
>>63396 >debunking any of the photos of atrocities
Nice strawman i never denied that many Jews were murdered in Ukraine Belarus and other occupied areas by German units and collaborators those crimes are well documented.
You on the other hand have not provided any evidence that 1 million jews were exterminated at Treblinka with exhaust fumes. Seriously there is a mass grave with the remains of 1 million jews in a field we know about and you are still posting blurry black and white images to shut me down?
>>63459 >Nice strawman i never denied that many Jews were murdered in Ukraine Belarus and other occupied areas by German units and collaborators those crimes are well documented. You just took the fucking goalpost, charted a fucking plane and sent it to fucking China
They belive in the cause they serve for and consider it righteous.
Why wouldn't they? I talked to an old guy who participated in the shootings and he told me that his CO considered it an ugly part of the job but one that had to be done for him. It was like an appointment with the dentist, nobody wants to go there, but everyone has to.
>>63486 Those pictures aren't from Auschwitz. They're from the Tereisenstadt Ghetto. Which is where they sent industry heads and veterans. It looked nice but they did the old trick of with holding food and medical treatment.
At the American Military Tribunal held at the Dachau camp in November 1945, the prosecution stated that 161, 939 prisoners had been processed through Dachau between 1940 and 1945 and that over 25,000 of them had died. According to the figures in Paul Berben's book, the exact number of prisoners who died at Dachau during this period was 27,839.
The number of prisoner deaths claimed at Dachau varies widely, according to who is telling the story. The official report of the US Seventh Army, published in 1945, mentioned that 14,700 deaths had occurred at Dachau in the first quarter of 1945. Paul Berben, a prisoner in the camp, wrote a book entitled "Dachau, the Official History 1933 - 1945," in which he stated that 2,888 prisoners had died at Dachau in January 1945, 3,977 prisoners had died in February, 3,668 had died in March and 2,625 had died in April, for a total of 13,158 in the first four months of 1945.
In the month of May 1945, an additional 2,226 Dachau prisoners died after the camp was liberated, in spite of the excellent care given to them by American military doctors. There were 196 more deaths in June before the typhus epidemic was finally stopped by the use of DDT and the vaccination of all the prisoners Oh look the vast majority of deaths at Dachau were recorded near the end of the war. Also note that Tuphus epidemic after the camp was liberated
>>63558 Well of course they were. As the allies got nearer and nearer, they hurried up to finish the work. One of the things that came out of the Wannsee minutes was that the SS command considered the final solution to be of equal importance to the war.
I've done enough pointless arguing with you for a day so no I won't answer all that tl;dr shit. You may disagree, but at my local prison and in all prisons in the country AFAIK you get to keep your own clothes so your statement is wrong. It's also irrelevant because either way that could be shoes that were taken from the inmates as soon as they arrived into camp or whatever.
>>62626 Also used for a lot of stuff. The issue isn't if Zyklon B was intended for genocide, the issue are if it was actually tested for it or not. And how far.
If it turns out most of the Jews died of starvation, sexual diseases and lice? The systematic collapse of the camps as the war went on might just have killed most of them. The attempted genocide is something else, and its unclear if it even passed the testing phase, or if the testing phase was even attempted because the war went bad so fast.
All the bullshit legends from the Holocaust isn't helping either.
Nice meme but again Dachau was not an "extermination camp". Did you even read the source there was a typhus epidemic 3000 jews died after the camp was liberated by the Americans. So 13000/161939 jews died in all the years before 1945. Looks like a normal death rate to me. I wonder how many Japanese died during WW2 in those American camps.
>>63679 >The concentration camps just worked you to death.
See the sourse I provided. Prisoners were "worked to death" but the death rate was low until towards the end of the war. Sure the deaths from typhus could be avoided but how is this relevant with the systematic genocide of jews by nazi Germany?
>>63456 I looked at the Dachau footage and while harrowing, the key details could easily have been faked by a semi-talented propaganda unit working at any camp that suffered large casualties (which could occur outside of the power of the camp guards).
It also doesn't provide any evidence of the numbers claimed by the mainstream authors.
Normally I would agree with this: >>63624, but having seen so much compelling evidence of deceit (eg. much of the pic here: >>63099), I find it hard to trust any evidence that isn't proven to be both unbiased and empirical. So far, that seems only to have come from people jailed for presenting their case, because I can't imagine why someone would choose prison over silence if they were lying. Those same people were supported by Jewish friends during their trial so we can probably rule out anti-semitism as a motive.
I am trying to keep an open mind here and am questioning evidence on both sides. I considered the "faked" pics I mentioned might've been faked by Nazis. I know some pics are almost certainly genuine Nazi war atrocities, but some seem fake to me, and that puts the whole pile of evidence into uncertain territory (with regards to the wider narrative of "genocide" and "gas chambers").
>Today the area is the main place of remembrance and cemetery in the Dachau Concentration Camp Memorial Site. In the Memorial Site archive 32,000 deaths are documented; many thousands died however who were not officially registered:
Unknown is the large number of the Jewish prisoners killed who were not registered, particularly in the subcamps, with the same applying to Russians and Poles.
You may note that this only includes the main camp and no prisoners who were deported to extermination camps.
The number of total deathsaccounting for sub-camps is confirmed to be 41500 on the same page.
>>63708 The Dachau movie posted here: >>62569 clearly claims Dachau WAS an extermination camp. They show shower units apparently modified to spray gas, empty gas canisters and tell stories of luring people in for a "shower," only to kill them en masse.
You can see why people might doubt the rest of your claims if there is such inconsistency.
There were minor gas chambers in a lot of concentration camps. Mauthausen for instance has a tiny unit, but by no means was an extermination camp. The same applies for a lot of camps and institutions, the adjacent Hartheim had one as well.
The best evidence for the holocaust if you really need it is simply that Jewish population in Europe used to be a lot more prevalent (think more or less like the Muslim population today) hence the massive obsession and hatred they caused, while today there's barely any left in comparison. Basically most of the poor Jews died, while most of the rich ones left early enough or paid their way out.
The "proofs of deceipt" you see are most likely faked by stomfags themselves and then branded as "Jew lies", or made by misled historians and journalists but getting wrong about details doesn't mean the whole event did't happen, people's memories being flawed by trauma, people exaggerating truths to get attention etc (but again, it doesn't mean the whole thing never happened).
>>63983 >Dachau I've heard conflicting accounts of the numbers of Jews in Europe before and after WW2 so I'd love to see some links to good independent sources for those claims. That could be pretty conclusive if they were compelling enough sources.
As for the pics, I have my suspicions. Here: >>63099
The top picture - Right seems more authentic because of the men's eye contact, the fact that they look happy and relaxed (whereas the background of the left picture is very grim), and part of the elbow of the man on the right has been cut off in the left pic.
Second to top - No shadow.
Third - In order to fake the pic on the right, you'd have to add feet to the men in the back at the bottom left where the barrel is missing.
Fourth - To fake the one on the right you'd have to add part of the truck in the background, which looks very genuine.
Fifth - In the left pic, the background has been duplicated where the original soldier was taken out, especially noticeable at the horizon with the treeline repeating itself.
Bottom - Again, it's much easier to superimpose a foreground than fake a background. To fake the pic on the right you'd have to recreate virtually the entire scene.
As for the top right pic, I don't know. I don't see any evidence that he's German though.
How many sources do you need for everything? Seriously about every town in France used to have its "villejuif" nowadays the only relevant Jewish communities left are in Paris and Marseille. And there used to be much more in Germany, Austria and Eastern Europe, the French Jewish community was nothing in comparison. It's basic historical knowledge.
>>63111 Gonna correct you a bit : Yugoslavia wasn't allied with axis powers. However, the Independent State of Croatia was a puppet state propped up by the Germans and Italians, that was formed inside Yugoslavia.
>>64280 Just one authoritative source on the Jewish population numbers before and after WW2.
You can understand why someone on /his/ might ask for a source when they doubt the historical accuracy of a claim. I explained why the Dachau footage was inconclusive and it's clear to me that the atrocity pics I referenced have all been forged.
I have to consider that they may have been forged by Nazi sympathisers as part of the "infographic," so they can claim "look at all the Jewish forgeries!" So a challenge to anyone wanting to verify that infographic as genuine - find an instance of the faked pics on the left being used as propaganda against the Germans and that infographic will be pretty well vindicated.
Posting threads like this should be a bannable offense. The Holocaust happened, and the Nizkor project is a fairly comprehensive debunking of all the shitty claims /pol/ is making: http://www.nizkor.org/
If you want to have a functionalist/intentionalist argument that might be interesting, but stormfags haven't done any actual reading on WW2 outside of shitty image macros so they don't know anything about the two schools of thought, instead relying on "gotcha" claims to prove... I don't even know what they're trying to prove
>>64883 I like the way that you say "nobody is claiming it didn't happen" then refer to it as "the holohoax" I guess the entire historical profession is also similarly brainwashed outside of David Irving, huh
>>64847 Here's a very informational video created by an honest Jewish man named David Cole. He also comes to the conclusion that the holocaust is a lie, and takes us on a visual tour. Common sense required.
>>65055 >>65088 Half are from Nkinzor and the rest are unsourced m8. Do you want me to spam Cohdo links? Nikinzor has been responded too hundreds of times and has yet to reply as the love to present unverified testimoney. It asserts that Hitler directly called for the extermination of the Jews and it uses a simple mistranslation of "uproot".
>>65104 I don't know why you would "lol" at David Cole, he has been the most solid individual for Holocaust denial, well he doesn't deny the holocaust but denies Auswitz was a extermination camp. I also don't know why Zundle isn't a good source besides >lol UFOs >>65150 Nkinzor, known for manipulation and misrepresentation of arguments.
>>65358 He's a holocaust denier who is a Neo-Nazi, and you're seriously claiming that he's some martyr being prosecuted for "going against the fictitious narrative?". Just fuck off already. If you want to have a real discussion about the Holocaust, involving the Historikerstreit or something, then go ahead. But you stormfags aren't on that level, because you haven't done any sort of reading and desperately grasp at anything that you can claim "gotcha" on, all for the sake of... what, being edgy? I don't know. I honestly don't.
>>65464 This is what I mean. What on earth is that supposed to prove? Why wouldn't they shave the hair from the bodies to make for easier cremation? And, here's the kicker, why would the Nazi state fake that in that case? What is this guy's motivation to lie?
>>65606 >they've been starving us >they've been torturing us >they've been putting us in death-rollercoaster >they've been putting us in wank-monster machine >they've been training their dogs to bite our knobs off >but now they're giving us a nice haircut >i guess they're not so bad after all
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