>>62429 German here. Yes and no. I was genuine attempt towards democracy by the east german people through peaceful means and the Russians did the right thing by not doing anything about it.
Where the tragedy started was when western politcians coopted the event and fucked the east over. Partially by allowing scummy people like Merkel a place in future germany, even though they had ties to the former system and likely spied upon fellow countrymen. Same goes for Gauck, who even was put in charge of the Stasi files.
But mainly because Nato was extended towards the east dispite other promisis and the opportunity of integrating Russia into the West wasn't seized, but it was deceided to sell Russia wholesale to the "free market" and exploit it while putting a drunk in charge.
>>63173 It's silly to measure indirect deaths as if they were the same event as the tragedy itself. I'm not sure if the argument can be made that 9/11 and the subsequent war should be counted as separate events.
>>63131 I don't think the introduction of the free market was bad, but it wasn't done with good intentions but rather in an exploitative way by supporting a corrupt clique and allowing criminals to gain control over crucial infrastructure. If all the introduction to the free market should've been more gradual and controlled.
>>62429 Yes, but not for the reason one might think.
It was bad because the USSR fell apart during (and because) of an economic crisis and eastern economies went even more to shit when their entire markets were lost and the whole transition left them with a shell of an economy that was quickly filled with western companies/local tycoons or oligarchs before they could pick themselves up, these same tycoons and oligarchs then gained untold amounts of influence in politics leading to even more corruption.
Now you have eastern companies having to compete with well established western ones that not only have large parts of the market but also a shitload of more capital. Not to mention the western companies using illegal methods (some German companies literally had a corruption funds-money allocated for bribes) to muscle in and take over only further adding to corruption.
>>62429 This is just outside the realm of 30 years ago but the Israelis failing to get Yasser Arafat in 1982 (thanks to Ronald Reagan). My God the Middle East would be so much better today if they had gotten that bastard
>>62429 I'm a communist, but I generally consider the fall of the USSR to be a good thing - it's was a pretty shitty influence on our movements and was prone to support any idiot who claimed to be a ML (just look at the clusterfuck that was Ethiopia).
I do wish however it could have gone according Gorbachev's plan of a Nordic model - rather than being hijacked by Yeltsin and the IMF and turned into another neoliberal testing ground (It'll totally work this time guys!) - as it happened it was a humanitarian disaster.
>>63457 >The Yugoslav and Rwandan genocides >Yugoslav What are those even doing in the same sentence? They Genocide in Bosnia "only" cost a few thousand lives, the peak estimates are like 20 thousand in a span of 4 years. Not saying it makes it any less of a crime but it's severely over stated and can't really be up there with the crimes committed in Africa and the Middle east in the same time periods.
More people died in Iraq because of the sanctions on Saddam and lack of basic necessities, not to mention the persecution of Kurds...
>>63371 >I'm a communist, but I generally consider the fall of the USSR to be a good thing - it's was a pretty shitty influence on our movements and was prone to support any idiot who claimed to be a ML (just look at the clusterfuck that was Ethiopia).
I feel like this is something which is overlooked by many communists when assessing the USSR. I mean look at what happened with the Spanish Civil War, the Soviets backed the PSUC and then helped them purge the POUM and the CNT/FAI, basically because it was in the interest of the Soviets to do so (even though it involved jailing/executing a lot of fellow communists)
>>63457 you were doing well until you spoke of Thatcher and the Rwandan genocide in the same breath
the collapse of the coal industry in the UK would have been far less dramatic and destructive were it not for the fact that Arthur Scargill was a complete lunatic. The NUM under Scargill declared that any coal pit closure, even for economic reasons, even if there was no coal left in the pit, would be met with a strike. He forced Thatcher's hand because he arrogantly thought that he could win (as he had done in the past), instead he got wiped out and led a lot of honest miners off the cliff into the abyss with him
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