>manage to bring bomb to generals room
>successfully kill hitler, imprison other nazi leaders
>sue for peace with allies
>they tell me to fuck off, they are going for unconditional surrender
What was his endgame /pol/?
Well, I think only USSR would say fuck off.
America wanted to save up troops to fight the Japanese, they would have accepted with the release of France, maybe push for Poland Denmark and Norway, if England wanted that to.
Soviets wanted Germany destroyed because of how much damage they did so they wouldn't accept.
Thats just my guess on the result of suing for peace.
Same ending, no peace had except unconditional surrender.
End game would be keeping more germans from being killed.
Himmler would have been shot/imprisoned pretty fucking quickly, he wasn't popular or well liked, you'd just need a radio broadcast by Rommel or someone else of such prestige/respect among the Germans. He had no leverage over the Wehrmacht either.
But yeah, there would have likely been a "civil war" of a degree or sorts.
He was a Lt general (became a General only in 1945), commander of the 3rd army, nothing more, he barely avoided being sent home and retired at one point. He had literally no authority in the matter. Besides, his idea of "invading" the USSR was pretty fucking stupid considering the disparity of forces in Europe and the fact most people were just glad to end the war not start another one.
Probably not to such a degree, but Himmler did command the SS, some divisions were already pledged to Rommel in secret, and with Hitler dead you would surely have a power struggle.
I doubt it would be anything like the Russian civil war though.
why didn't hitler just use it when he had it the entire time?
man i hate lefty faggots on this board who just whine about /pol/. i'm not even a /pol/ tard but you guys need to shut the fuck up. seriously.
>wahhh this is a safe space please ban anyone who hurts my feelings
>wahhh back to /pol/ you evil nazis we can't have a discussion on any history that involves the third reich despite it being the most significant historical event in the last century.
seriously fucking leave.
The Allies already agreed before the end of the war that East Prussia needs to be liquidated to ensure Poland's security. Königsberg would've ended up Soviet just like in real life or maybe Polish but Germany would lose it.
Also Poland would still receive huge chunks of Silesia and Pommerania. Stalin wouldn't give back Western Ukraine and Belarus so the Allies would carve out new territories for Poland in Germany.
Removing the Germans from Eastern Europe was also agreed upon earlier. So the mass expulsions would still happen.
At best he would prevent more deaths by capitulating in 1944 and maybe the Allies wouldn't devide Germany into occupation zones. Maybe the Eastern Border would be a tiny bit different but not by much.
Win the war, not that he could.
Stauffenberg had no plans for peace, nor did the Wehrmacht. The Wehrmacht (and by that, the Reichswehr) had sought to take Poland and other lost German territories back since 1918 and where no less bad that the NSDAP. Stauffenberg and his July Plot buddies had been planning coups and such since the 1930's and still seemed to think they could win the war. The Allies wanted unconditional surrender to ensure the Germans didn't attempt "land grab 2", as had happened with WW1, since the Germans needed to know they had lost. Stauffenberg would likely become the target of a new stab in the back myth.
Germany had no real room for bargaining in July 1944. Managing a surrender that would have Germany occupied solely by the Western Allies would have been a massive massive 'win' for Germany. Borders probably would have ended up in a similar place as OTL (our timeline for the alt-history uninitiated), but without a divided Germany. Western powers might have also gone for a divided Czechoslovakia (i.e. a Czechos in the Western camp and Solvakia in the Soviet).
> A treaty about creating a Jewish state in Palestine is proof o the Stab in the Back myth
> literally has nothing to do with Germany
It's a myth that upset German soldiers created to try and make it seem like they hadn't lost.
Written to the English branch of the most prominent German banking family, causing America to enter the war shortly after, leading many Germans to believe that Jewish interests were central in securing American involvement in the war. Sinking the Lusitania wasn't the real reason they went in.
America wasn't the cause of the German loss. A mix of internal instability, the failure of the Ludendorff Offensive and the Royal Navy blockades starving Germany were the causes, not America. America just meant that the war ended faster.
I beg to differ, American involvement scared the German high command enough that they went on the offensive, and the failed kaiserschlacht was enough to completely wear out the German army. Had the Americans not gotten involved the Germans could have stayed on the defensive. They weren't even on German soil at that point.
They didn't reach German soil, nor where they going to. Even then, the original Stab in the Back myth targeted Communists and Unionists, alongside the civilian population who weren't fans of being starved to death by their own lack of resources. The Stab in the Back idea is still a myth, even if Germans believed it to be true at the time. The German Army would have been engaged in a slog for another year or so. By this point both sides were losing the will to fight and there was no real end in sight, while the Spring Offensive proved that the Germans did not have the capacity to launch an offensive. Ultimately the German's keked themselves by not simply remaining on the defensive, even with the American's coming they could have achieved it.
Meanwhile, Versailles and such were the result of the bitter French and public press ganged Lyod George wanting to bugger the krauts. In reality the whole scenario was perfect for creating a blame game, because in reality the German army had not been defeated.
The "communists" you are referring to are Jews like Rosa Luxembourg and Kurt Eisner. These Jewish communists were very damaging to German war efforts on the home front. The chief architects of the Versailles treaty were Jews Paul Warburg and George Mandel Rothschild. Combine this with the Balfour declaration and the Americans joining the war, and then add in the failed German communist revolution as soon as the kaiser abdicated. While this may be a series of coincidences that Jews figured so prominently in Germany's defeat, it becomes easy to see why something like the stab in the back resonated with the German people.
as in was there a wider jewish conspirarcy against the german people? probably not, but keep this in mind, Palestine had been promised to the Jews, and Palestine was about to become British territory. Had the British lost the war, and the Ottoman Empire remained intact, they would have been in no position to give Palestine to the Jews. So that may have been a motivating factor for some Jews in the States and Germany to undermine the German war effort.
I think it was more spurred on by thoughts of a Communist Germany rather than a Jewish State, I mean we also have to factor in the food shortages and the general level of discontent that was going to occur without the influence of the Communist revolt.
Germany can decide who are Germans and who are not, in Germany Germans can decide everything for Germans and Germany, international elements gtfo if you don't want a Fascist state to determine your internal policies.
i mean i agree with you, i'm just saying this series of coincidences involving the jews made something like the stab in the back very convincing to the germans, and gave nazi propaganda something to seize on. the best propaganda is that which is based on a grain of truth, however small.
The first world war led to a polarisation of opinion towards the far right as well as the far left, and there's absolutely no proof for the rising popularity of communism to be a jewish thing.
Holy shit, I really give up on this board with the amount of morons in it.
Yeah, lefty ideology only rose in popularity because 'duh joos' and not because you had millions of soldiers disillusioned with their leadership due to, I don't know, fighting in the fucking first world war.
you're really denying the connection between jewish internationalism and communism in the early 20th century? fuck you are the moron mate, you should read churchill's article from the 1920's on the connection between judaism and communism. i'm not even saying anything about a jewish conspiracy, and i'm not one who is going to deny the holocaust or talk about jews running the world. i'm merely saying where the stab in the back myth came from and why germans believed it.
This is propaganda?
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4) Frederic S. Mishkin: Member of Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2014.
5) Alan Greenspan: Advisor to Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Recent Chairman.
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surely Jews are a simple minority just like abos.
>claim jews caused the rise of lefty soldiers upon end of ww2
>claim is refuted
>make separate, broader claim and call poster stupid for not refuting the claim that you just created
nice, keep on trucking
here you go, /pol/ is at it once again, literally every thread invaded by them turns into >jews first subtly with some nazi pictures here and there and then >JEWS
you didn't refute anything idiot. keep on patting yourself on the back though.
you're right and its a miracle that someone actually understands this
all these fools with their PhDs aren't enlightened like us with the infographs from stormfront, thank god we've dodged the ruse
down with israel!
If he was intelligent? Unconditional surrender. If he had done it within a few days or weeks of taking control of Germany then German cities won't have been leveled, the Soviets aren't in Germany yet (and certainly not at Berlin), and basically everything turns out better for Germany.
how about owning the money creation and banks of all americas, africa, asia, and europe?
At any time that a minority gets as much power as is seen today with Jews is solely protected by today's inane illogical ideologies of Marxism.
i'm just saying the current makeup of the federal reserve board has no place on /his/. read the sticky, nothing from the past 25 years is up for discussion. the stab in the back is totally legitimate to discuss on this board though, it was one of the central talking points of the third reich.
This. The modern-day Jewish conspiracy to convert non-Jews to cattle has nothing to do with the alleged 1910s Jewish conspiracy to lose the First World War on behalf of international Communism and Zionism. The first may spring from the second but this isn't the board for it.
Because Ashkenazi power clans have a much stronger grasp on propaganda techniques. They practically invented public relations. Chinese don't care.
See what I did there? We're wired to hear anything complaining about "jews" in general as hateful and ignorant, as if you think the nice old Jewish lady next door wants to drink your childrens' blood. "Clans," though, they're outdated, possibly associated with The Klan, and undeniably present among successful members of Ashkenazi groups in industrialized countries.