Let's have a thread for strong women in history.
>Franca Viola (born in Alcamo in 1947) is a Sicilian woman who became famous in the 1960s in Italy for refusing a "rehabilitating marriage" ("matrimonio riparatore" in Italian) with her victimizer after suffering kidnapping and rape. Instead, she and her family successfully appealed to the law to prosecute the rapist. The trial had a wide resonance in Italy, as Viola's behavior clashed with the traditional social conventions, whereby a woman would lose her honour if she did not marry the man she lost her virginity to. Franca Viola thus became a symbol of the cultural progress and the emancipation of women in post-war Italy.
Gráinne Ní Mháille
Hard to find a good picture of her, she's supposed to be bald
Why does islam lack a Franca Viola with how violent and brutal and abusive muslim men are?
It's thanks to women like her that nowadays sicilian women are free and no more afghanistan-tier.
Spot the muslim. The rapist got what he deserved, he had no right to violate her and she was brave in defying her society views' and culture of what she should have done as a woman.
Roza Shanina, a famous Soviet sniper during WWII.
>54 confirmed kills
>was awarded the Order of Glory
>died during East Prussian Campaign early 1945 while shielding a wounded artillery officer from shelling and took shrapnel to the chest.
Marry a man you despise, who wronged you and you do not want in your life, to have a family with his odious offspring who will carry his disgusting genes?
That's not strength, that's idiocy. And she was not a slut, she was a good woman who defended herself and her right to live as she pleased and not be forced into something she wanted no part with.
>Marry a man you despise, who wronged you and you do not want in your life, to have a family with his odious offspring who will carry his disgusting genes?
Sounds like something my ex-wife would say.
Don't try to argue with people from /r9k/, they go against basic logic.
Also Queen Isabel was pretty fucking relevant in ''shaping'' America I'd say
Nah. She just stood there and let others take care of the Empire she had inherited for her. Madame de Pompadour was more powerful than her with her influence and support of extremely important writers, artists and thinkers who would define western culture. Women's Rights Activists like
http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/N/bo3643268.html were more powerful because they enabled women to have a choice and live as they will, even though she personally didn't like it. Heck her reign had women going literally mad because of sexual repression.
"Idiocy" is to destroy the moral basis of your civilization all because of your cowardice. Thanks to sluts like like her marriage ceased to exist, the institution of the family has collapsed, European birth rates have fallen bellow replacement level and the continent faces the extinction of it's native people.
Thanks to sluts like her women do not marry young to respectable hard-working men anymore, instead they spend their youth riding the cock carroussel, engaging in promiscuous and degenerate cocaine fueled orgies with all kind of thugs. That's the achievement of feminism, and now all these women will get old and used, they will never marry and die alone, all because a slut didn't want to marry the guy she had her first pre-marital tryst with.
She literally change society because her trial exposed the evil and hurt that concepts like "repair marriage" and "shamed woman" and "if she loses her virginity before marriage she'll end up a spinster, she should just marry her rapist instead" caused to sicilian women in that time. Her rapist attempted to defame and publicly shame her but she didn't care and challenged the local culture of her time and had justice. That is strong. Far stronger than /r9k/ does with their constant whining.
Also no. The laws that are created and enforced by men are created with and inspired and morally enforced by women like her.
I don't really agree with Joan of Arc.
She wasn't a warrior, and contrarly to the legends we made afterwards, she was actually really unfit for martial life. She kept complaining about her soldiers, and in fact, her best Knight was a rapist and a child killer.
Joan of Arc was mostly a symbol, a way to bolster the french back to their vengeful pride and inbred sense of entitlement.
But that man raped her, he wasn't a ''respectable hard-working man''.
Are you people even able to be rational?
Like, do you just black out when someone tries to praise a woman for something and immediately automatically side against her.
Please tell me where the logic in this is.
Look a murderer.
>destroy the moral basis of your civilization
>rape is the moral basis of your civilization
That is wrong and not a civilization worth keeping.
>thanks to sluts like like her marriage ceased to exist
Good. Forced marriages should not exist at all.
>the institution of the family has collapsed
Good. A family that was raised on the concept that women are slaves and they should be grateful for being raped should not exist at all.
>women do not marry young to respectable hard-working men anymore
Rapists are not respectable.
>now all these women will get old and used, they will never marry and die alone
That's what her rapist said about her too. Not only she ended up condemning him like he deserved she married her childhood sweetheart too.
>a slut didn't want to marry the guy she had her first pre-marital tryst with
He was a rapist. She was a good woman who was wronged and got justice for the evil the the rapist attempted to force on her. You deserve to die hated and alone for your false words about her, rapist.
Now, I'm not usually one of those people who's all gung-ho about "But what about HER story?!" when it comes to history, but Empress Theodora was a badass.
>Started off as an actress/prostitute
>Enraptured the heir to the Byzantine Empire
>He changed the laws of the Empire just so he could marry her.
>A woman who (allegedly) whored her way across North Africa and Egypt to get to Constantinople
>During the Nika Riots stood on the docks of New Rome and said she'd rather die an empress than live a fugitive
>Some allege she was the real power behind the throne.
Granted, she fucked a lot of shit up (getting her incompetent friends appointed to high office) and ol' Justin seemed to have been the better ruler between them, but she was still a pretty cool lady as far as things go.
Also, Saint Olga. Saint Olga was awesome.
>Take over as regent for her son.
>Proceeds to commit genocide against the people who killed her husband
>Fire bombs a city before the invention of fire bombs, using pigeons.
>Subjugated much of Russia
>Quietly retired once her son came of age.
>Supposedly such a renowned beauty that, while converting to Christianity, the Byzantine Emperor proposed to her on the spot.
>She refused because, since the Byzantine Emperor was her godfather, that would be incest.
Empress Zenobia of Palmyra deserves an honorable mention as well.
If you look at the Western world right now, look at universities, women falsely accuse men of rape for the smallest of reasons, permanently ruining their lives. Having a woman marrying her "rapist" is would be a good way to prevent such false accusations.
>do you just black out when someone tries to praise a woman for something and immediately automatically side against her.
If it's defending her sexual rights, yeah they do, because they can't deal with the fact they're disgusting and no woman wants them.
These cases weren't seen as rape though, rather a pre-marital tryst like >>71492 shitposts, and since a girl loses her honour by having sex before marriage marrying the guy she had sex with was the only way to get back into proper society. That's presuming it was all consensual sex. When it was rape it was his word against hers, so she was strong to face him and bring him to justice. She completely turned the public opinion around about those shit practices.
Irene was better than Theodora, ignoring how shit she treated her son.
Saint Olga is top tier though, nice.
Arranged marriages are the basis of a healthy family and civilization. Your parents know more about these things than you, they are people better qualified to choose your partner.
Besides, if you leave the sexual selection at the hands of females, they will just choose aggressive and violent alpha males instead of hard-working and honest beta males, leading society towards a violent collapse. The decline of Western civilization began when arranged marriaged ceased to be the norm.
Yeah I guess.
Fuck man I'm actually interested in talking about the subject, I couldn't care less about all this retarded gender wars drama.
Why can't we have a normal discussion without shitposting?
Accusations don't mean shit because there's innocent until proven guilty. If you did nothing wrong, they'll be no harm on her and no way to prove you raped her so your innocence will be proven eventually. You'll get restored and she'll get shamed for being a liar.
Her rapist not only brutally raped her, he kidnapped her, kidnapped her brother, had her mother brutally beaten, sent threatening letters to her father if she did not comply with his wishes. It was clear from the start he was a horrible subhuman and deserved to be called a rapist and worst.
People need to learn to report shitposts on /his/ it's the only way you can keep the board high quality and prevent the derailment of every single thread
Do not reply to shitposts, just report and ignore
>they will just choose aggressive and violent alpha males instead of hard-working and honest beta males
then why have White men been getting progressively wimpier and pathologically altruistic with each generation?
Her father was against letting her marry her rapist because he despised him too and thought him a despicable man.
>they are people better qualified to choose your partner
When they love you and want you to be happy, they can be a great help, though they cannot and should not force you to anything. But 99% of the time they don't give a shit about your happiness and what's good for you, so they are bad.
>they will just choose aggressive and violent alpha males instead of hard-working and honest beta males
Like you, wannabe rapist? Like the Supreme Gentleman? Like the school-shooting betas? But all these people were violent and aggressive and still no woman wanted them. Your ideas aren't quite on track with reality.
>her name is Viola
I shouldn't be laughing this hard
I love Hannah Arendt, and consider her to be my history waifu.
Marie Curie as well, though people seem to credit her husband for their achievements.
Apparently her daughter was also a scientist but I don't remember much of it.
>Why does islam lack a Franca Viola with how violent and brutal and abusive muslim men are?
Prove it doesn't. Your ignorance is not evidence of these people not existing.
You make an outrageously generalizing statement as well.
You mean nowadays? Because before the cold war fucked up Afghanistan it was well on the way to becoming much greater than what it currently is today - again your lack of historical knowledge and interest is quite revolting.
>Spot the muslim.
What on earth is this supposed to mean? Pointing out that a person went throught the government systems and won makes them a 'muslim'?
Why won't /pol/ leave or at least leave their stupidity before posting?
>Your ignorance is not evidence of these people not existing.
Well show me one. Sharia laws in muslim countries around the world seem to be still horribly backwards and abusive.
>Pointing out that a person went throught the government systems and won makes them a 'muslim'?
No, wanting to shame a brave and good woman for standing up for her right is what makes you a muslim.
I would like to start by saying that I agree with the idea that arranged marriages aren't a terrible idea; your elders do know more about stuff than you do.
I would now like to point out that the marriage to someone you don't like, forced by your awful parents/legal guardian, wasn't the norm outside of the nobility and theater. Often times, the opinions of the people involved mattered a great deal. Mind, if your parents think you and this person are a great match, and you disagree, they might keep the courtship going to see if you'd change your mind.
Full disclosure, reverse shotgun marriages did sometimes happen.
>Mom and dad pick a douche/bitch for you to marry.
>You want your sweetheart.
>Get knocked up to force their hand.
>your elders do know more about stuff than you do
They don't know my dreams, ambitions, wishes and tastes which are more important.
>wasn't the norm
>they might keep the courtship going to see if you'd change your mind
Which is harassment and if they were respectful of me they'd cut it out.
He threatened harm against women, that's more tham enough to ostracize him at the very least. Though I'm sure he's the wannabe rapist from above so he should be killed as means of prevention for him to victimize women.
we're here for history not to hear more of the bullshit we hear everyday already
you want to throw a hissy fit and behave like a 12yo child you can go to /r9k/, /v/, /pol/, /int/, /soc/ and hundreds of other places on the internet specifically made for that purpose
>They don't know my dreams, ambitions, wishes and tastes which are more important
They probably do know a great deal about all of that, possibly more than you do if you're not too self-observant. Also, you can't know which tastes and wishes will be the most important later on or if they'll stick; your elders have been around long enough that they can make educated guess at least.
I will admit a lack of source on this one, I can't remember where I read that. However, I dare you to name such a case that wasn't amongst the nobility, where alliances were important (I do agree that it's a bad thing, but that was the way things were); theater, were drama and not reality is important; and exceptional cases, themselves suspicious because they -were- exceptional.
>Which is harassment and if they were respectful of me they'd cut it out.
It's harassment in the same way that making you eat your greens is. If it's in your best interest, they have the right, as family, to do so.
More historical people and less faggoty shit posting.
Alexandra Samusenko, a WWII Soviet tank commander
>fought in the battle of Kursk
>The only female tank commander in the 1st Guards Tank Army
>Was awarded the Order of the Red Star
>died 1945 after being accidentally crushed by tank threads
>you can't know which tastes and wishes will be the most important later on or if they'll stick
I know better than anyone because they are mine, and I choose which to keep and which to change. My elders cannot make an educated guess because they do not know my thoughts like I do. Also they do know a great deal because they cannot introspect into myself like I can. It's extremely insulting what you suggest and if my parents attempted it on me I would beat them.
>It's harassment in the same way that making you eat your greens is
Fuck no, it's infinitely worse, it's a violation of my basic personal freedoms and rights. Shit parents like that are worth cutting all ties over and leaving them to die.
>If it's in your best interest
I decide what is in my best interest, not them. They have no right to decide that for me, I am the only one with the right to speak for myself. Their behaviour is abusive and worth getting a prison sentence over.
>However, I dare you
Pakis killing their daughters because they want to be free to pursue their dreams and make a living for themselves and not marry the piece of shit the parents picked for her. Happening nowadays and common in british news, just google pakistan man kill daughter and you;ll get plenty examples.
>does post a picture
Anon, one job.....
>threaten rape and abuse women
You're the one who should scram life entirely.
The only ones with impotent rage are people like you who get rightfully rejected by girls like me.
you don't say things i don't agree with, you say boring things i read every other day on every other board already
i can't handle any more debates about feminism please just stop
besides i didn't ever say anyone should be killed what the hell
I'm a gay man. I wouldn't try to fuck you even if you paid me. Also good job admitting that the ability to spread legs and shit out children is the only thing a woman can offer to mankind.
>daughters raped in front of her by Romans
>gets mad and decides to unite the tribes go full britannic
>slaughters innocent townspeople until the legion shows up
>immediately btfo and commits sudoku
you come here, ignore strong women in history posts and reply exclusively to posters who criticize the topic
then you engage in shitflinging with them with such petty shit as "i'm so much better than you i will kill you"
you're not defending women's rights, you are seeking conflict for your satisfaction
Pompadour could charm a man, but Victoria could have 10,000 put to death with one royal order. Did you see the map? Of course she had people working for her in diverse places. She was an amazing woman and I despise what the British did to my people (I am Cree, French and German). She ruled over a quarter of the world and you can be so audacious, trolling or genuine to assert some witty parisian whore or Emily fucking bloomer was more influential. Good show.
>I know better...
You're assuming that experience is nothing. I will cede that you have an insight that they don't have, but they also have insight you don't have. Notice that novice poker players have tells they don't recognize? They're too close to themselves to see a pattern. I'm saying that they've probably had ~18 years to watch what you do, and after nearly two decades with someone, you pick up on stuff.
>Fuck no, it's infinitely worse...
How so? Ok, so they made you hang out with a guy you don't like for longer than you liked. The statement you're replying to regards an extended courtship, not marriage.
>I decide what is in my best interest
Untrue: assume you need medicine, would declaring that medicine isn't in your best interest change that reality? Sometimes what's best for us and what we want don't coincide. Read back over the first rebuttal at the top of this post.
>Pakis killing their daughters
This bit was my mistake, I wasn't responding to this, just the guy saying that not having arranged marriage is the root of societal collapse. I'm not for the extremes sharia law requires for cases like this.
>Victoria could have 10,000 put to death with one royal order
Which she didn't think up herself, unlike your other two women. Try again. She wasn't amazing: she was just a glorified puppet, and society proved her retarded ideas wrong.
Well then you're white american, mixed race american or whatever you come up with
No you are not [insert ethnicity this american thinks is cool]
No you aren't an Irishman or an Italian you roleplaying little shits just fuck off
Their insight doesn't matter shit if it works against my pursuits and interest. I had 30 years to prove them wrong about me and force them to surrender.
>How so? Ok, so they made you hang out with a guy you don't like for longer than you liked
Which is worthy getting berated and shamed over if they try to do that again. Also I have very good reasons for not liking a guy and while in his company he could well have hurt and harmed me. What's that, your mother trying to arrange dates for a failure like you so you need to justify her?
>Untrue: assume you need medicine, would declaring that medicine isn't in your best interest change that reality?
Fallacious example. But even the medicine could be not in my best interest if it's not what I need and I'm the one who decides both what I want and need, as I am perfectly capable to more than anyone else. Their experience doesn't mean shit if their experience is wrong.
>Sometimes what's best for us and what we want don't coincide
I make them coincide and anyone who gets in the way deserves to be removed. Your first rebuttal is still wrong shit, and they have still NO RIGHT AT ALL to decide for me.
>This bit was my mistake
It's merely arranged marriages put into practice. Anyone who thinks they know your wants and dreams and interests better than you and wants to impose them on you deserves to get thrown into the trash and forgotten. If you're a failure like I suspect you are, you have only yourself to blame. I am not, you are beneath me and I refuse to be dragged down to your shit level.
I suspect your difficulty in communicating with other anon is cultural, you seem to be writing from a perspective of total Western individualism, a viewpoint not shared across the world.
I'm currently dating a girl from a very traditional family, they attempted to forbid it and it is causing all kinds of trouble.
I speak French and a little bit of Cree, of which I am half, not "1/16 Cherokee".
If you would have contested Victoria to her fellow Queens; Isabella, Olga (as mentioned earlier) or
BASED CATHERINE THE GREAT
You would at least have a case.
She may not have been as enterprising and lead the battle formations a la Napoleon or Genesis Khan but Britain expanded and maintained their empire with great success under her tenure. Is it the fact that she is associated with something powerful and innovative for all of humanity that you despise her so and prefer an old maid who's greatest accomplishment is that women now wear pants (it's a bloody abomination according to the Holy Scriptures
Deuteronomy 22:5) and a haughty woman who for all her cunning and aplomb to elevate the social ladder - had no greater accomplishment than hobnobbing avec la Société populaire du Paris.
Dieu et mon Droit
disregard how arranged marriages are a retarded sandnigger tradition
do you realize how much you sound like the stereotypical spoiled american teenage girl ? what are you even doing on this website
Lyudmila Pavlichenko, as mentioned. 309 kills, frontline sniper during WWII. I think the only person to beat her score is Simo Häyhä. Absolutely crazy, very strong woman.
Matter of fact, read up on all the Soviet women in the war. Funny enough, guess as a quirk of the whole "Communism is equal" thing, or just need of bodies, Russia was one of the first and, still, only major militaries to not only put women on the ground, but also to arm them and have them in combat zones and the frontlines. Lots of tank drivers, couple of famous aviators, tons of support, and quite a few sniper legends. Fascinating stuff.
Yeah, like, of course nowadays, we have the shitty SJW boogieman, Tumblr's shit, and you can generally pick the asshole out of a crowd by their neon hair and the fact they tell everyone they're a feminist. Identity politics are slowly killing the west.
However, it's a damn shame that, because of that, now a lot of people have radicalized into actual forms of actual, factual misogyny because they got blamed of "muh soggy knees" so much. It's a shame that the modern use has besmirched the name. Because women like this, people who stood up against legitimate issues there, who fought for suffrage, who fought for ACTUAL equal rights and the destruction of such terrible, medieval social institutions, were heroes, and actual feminists.
People don't realize how fucked up some of the west was just a couple decades ago. Despite a lot of it being Soviet subversion, and that being a problem up to today by influence, and how ridiculous a lot of it got, what they did in the 60's was good, it was actually positive. People on either side of the issue come from these terrible, narrow-minded modern perspectives abut the current bullshit, rather than taking a step back and realizing how good we have it now compared to just a few decades ago.
Though I'm in agreement with the thread that this one guy is a backwards fuck, and seems content violating the basic rights of others, I feel I should point out that calling an opinion you dislike "shitposting" gets dicey in a Humanities context. I hope /his/ can foster intellectual debate, and while he's failed to do argue with anything other than emotion and vague anecdote, I ask my fellow /his/torians to bear this in mind when reporting.
But yeah, fuck that guy.
Margaret I of Denmark,she united all the Scandinavian countries under the Kalmar Union.
Stay mad Anglo, Joan of Arc literally charged against Burgundian forces by herself so that her comrades could be saved:
>In the description of Burgundian Georges Chastellain:
>"Then the Maid [Joan of Arc], surpassing the nature of a woman, took on a great force, and took much pain to save her company from defeat, remaining behind as the leader and as the bravest of the troop. But there fortune permitted for the end of her glory and for the last time that she would ever carry arms. An archer, a rough and very sour man, full of much spite because a woman, who so much had been spoken about, should have defeated so many brave men, as she had done, grabbed the edge of her cloth-of-gold doublet, and threw her from her horse flat to the ground."
Joan didn't need any legends made about her, she was the stuff of legends herself, batshit insane or not.
Born into slavery and horribly abused, Tubman escaped from slavery and instead of being content with her own freedom, she staged dozens of daring missions into the South, freeing or helping to free dozens of slaves.
During the Civil War, she acted as a spy for the Union and lead an assault that freed around 750 slaves, the first mission lead by a woman in the Civil War.
She spent her later years in ill health and impoverished, but continued to advocate for women's suffrage.
Ada Lovelace wrote the first computer program in 1840, she was also Lord Byron's daughter