>>70752 >His whole ideology was imposed through top-down authoritarianism. That's true, but there wasn't exactly another way of doing it. The majority of the people at the time would be unable to grasp the concept of ideology in the first place. His legacy started weakening with the very first successor government, as it turned out that most people around him didn't exactly have the same depth of vision. No government pursued politics of disseminating his ideas to the people, instead he just became a symbol of authority and dogmatism.
Even today there are many in the older generations that are just realizing the extent and meaning of the things he did. A still large part of the younger generations hold him in great esteem, but a perhaps larger part doesn't want anything to do with him.
He massacred innocent Greeks and Armenians at Smyrna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_Smyrna >Moreover, it is clear that it was done with the full approval of Atatürk, who was determined to find a final solution to his “minority problem” to ensure the future stability of his fledgling Turkish republic.
>>71655 That's more or less true, but even the rest aren't necessarily 100% against him. One thing to take into account is that the majority of AKP's votes come from people who have such bad living standards that politics are quite low on their priority list, whoever offers more material support in exchange of votes gets their support, understandably.
>>71655 >without taking into account that the French population had already developed a strong antagonism to clerical authorities
This is also false. The French intelligentsia was antagonistic to the clergy, but the French population was still sympathetic, that's why it took genocidal policies to beat the French peasantry into submission to the centralized rule of anti-clericals in Paris.
Secularism in the French way is the most evil, repressive, authoritarian and hypocritical policy that ever existed. Laicité as a totalitarian concept is worst than anything Stalin, Mao or Hitler could ever devise.
And that's why I don't have anything nice to say about Ataturk.
>>72823 No, the before last or before-before last sultan, I don't really remember, was the first to put the idea out and the 3 pashas (Enver, Talat and the other guy) were the ones that developed it and really carried it out. Atatürk himself had nothing to do with it.
>>70724 He created an artificial nation out of rubble and then purged everyone who didn't fit into his idea creating a ethnically homogeneous country out of thin air. As a result Turks have a ridiculous identity-crisis.
>>70752 >no longer respected I literally visited a kindergarten in Turkey once where they had this fuckhuge bust of him in the central hall. If you ever talk with a secular turk, especially when they're part of the turkish diaspora, you will immediately notice that they are stil madly in love with the guy
>>73044 Out of the internet nobody gives a shit desu everyone sees eachother as turk aside from maybe a few million kurds that is besides even most akp voters love ataturk they just want a stable government and akp has the highest chance of giving that stability as unfortunate as that is.
>>73183 Being a goy from the capital (yellow region) myself I can say that there are many kindergartens or primary schools that have his bust. His pictures are pretty much everywhere like >>73230 says, even today. It might be on walls, in the form of busts, in calendars, in pins or on t-shirts, but I think we can safely say that it would be pretty much unthinkable for a person to visit any part of Turkey and not frequently see Atatürk pictures.
>>73378 Yearly and normally everywhere (though not necessarily with the accompanying horn, lel). Schools, workplaces and even foreign schools do it. There certainly must be areas where it's not done anymore, but a decade ago this would be unthinkable.
>>70724 A progressive, positivist and westernernizer tyrant. Defenestrated the entire history of the country. Changed the alphabet. Abolished the Caliphate and shred the confessional system, reducing the Orthodox See to irrelevance. Changed the country's name. Promoted a genocidal process of population removal.
>>73547 Yeah that's certainly not true, but the legacy not being respected is true in a way. Part of this problem (maybe the major part) comes from the fact that as a people we don't like to read. But to really understand the what and why of Atatürk you have to do a fair amount of reading, even if you don't have to read the volumes upon volumes of his own writing. What is done in practice is that people base most of their ideas about him on hearsay and , which leads to the creation of a certain subjective image. Plus criticizing him is pretty much a taboo in most circles, out of fear that somehow this can cause disrespect and enmity instead of better understanding.
>>72832 It isn't, he's wrong. The only person who GE is specifically hinted or referenced to be is Saint George, the Dragonslayer. The Emperor was from Anatolia originally, though. He can be whoever you want.
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