>>73977 There will never be a movie about the Siege of Malta or the Battle of Lepanto because it would be too expensive, only one national film industry could finance such movies and the people in control of this particular industry are not sympathetic to Christianity.
I wish the Vatican used their money to finance Catholic blockbusters, like they financed artists in the past, but that won't happen.
To combat the Mongol advance, the Jin withdrew soldiers from cities for hundreds of miles, resulting in a combined force of approximately 400,000 to 500,000 soldiers being stationed at Huan'erzui. However, the Jin were overly confident in the defensive position of the pass; Genghis eventually circumvented Jin defenses by sending his men over the peaks surrounding the pass, allowing him to encircle the much larger Jin army. As Genghis attacked the front of the Jin army at the entrance to the pass, his forces simultaneously routed the Jin cavalry from behind. The encircling force then proceeded to attack the supply camps in the rear of the Jin army, resulting in the slaughter of many resting Jin soldiers. When Jin forces in the front lines of the battle were eventually pushed into retreat by the bulk of the Mongol army, the subsequent chaos resulted in the slaughter of even more Jin soldiers.
Following the battle, the general of the Jin army retreated to the central Jin capital of Zhongdu (modern Beijing) and assassinated the emperor, and assumed control of the city. After a four-year Mongol siege, which saw the residents of Beijing reduced to cannibalism in order to survive, the city finally surrendered. The Jin were allowed to retain control of Zhongdu, but were forced to pay a large tribute in return. The following summer, Emperor Xuanzong of Jin abandoned Zhongdu and moved the government to the "southern capital" of Kaifeng. While the Jin maintained a grasp on power for several more years, the empire was severely weakened, and eventually capitulated to a combined Mongol and Southern Song force in 1234.
>>73990 Still, read that story. The Vikings ended up lighting their own ships on fire and hurling them against one of the birdges blocking their path. When they managed to destroy the path to the guard tower on the riverbank and had it totally surrounded, the 12 guards inside refused to surrender, and were all massacred, but not before taking 100 Vikings with them. The bishop of Paris himself lead the men pushing back the Viking assault, holding up a cross.
>>74282 >Last battle of WWII >Takes place in a fucking castle >German Army fighting alongside the Allies, only instance this happened in the entire war >French VIP political prisioners heroically join the fight after being told to protect themselves, including a former Prime Minister and a fucking tennis player >The whole thing reads like a fucking movie >It even has the tragic, untimely death of Major Gangl >A story of sacrifice, redemption and heroism for the whole family
>By the autumn of 1757 Frederick the Great was beset by enemies on all sides. The French had invaded the territory of his Anglo-Hanoverian allies, a Franco-Imperial army was threatening Saxony, an Austrian army 110,000-strong had marched into Silesia and even the ponderous Russians had moved against him. Then within a month Frederick transformed his fortunes. At Rossbach on 5 November he smashed the Franco-Imperial army in barely 11/2 hours. Force-marching to Silesia he won perhaps his greatest victory exactly a month later, crushing the Austrian Army at Leuthen. The Emperor Napoleon considered Frederick's lightning campaign ‘a masterpiece of manoeuvre and resolution'.
And I suppose the Angelo-Dutch wars also deserve some credit.
Wrong, so wrong. But even then, what you wrote wasn't all that impressive, there has been more legendary battles in WW2, this was merely a small battle between two forces trying their best not to destroy a castle.
Other anon said the last battle was Poljana, I think that's wrong. I would say it was the battle of Texel, as it started before the end of WW2 and continued for several time even after the Nazi surrender, effectively making it the last battle of WW2. Plus my countrymen came in to clean shit up so it's a good thing to name :)
Why is this painting not a photograph?? It's almost like the artist didn't give a fuck about trying to magically recapture the exact state of things in the past and was more concerned in conveying his specific symbolic point with beauty and pageantry as his own era recognized it!!
>>73890 Battle of Bouvines. Basically, it is the birth of the French Nation, and the end of British absolutism.
To put things in details : "Holy" "Emperor" Othon is forced to flee while shitting himself, while the french Chivalry fights alongside the common cities militias and sergeants (Throughout the XIIth century, there was a real power struggle between the feudal lords and the independent cities, so having them fighting together and helping one another was pretty powerful).
In the end, King Philip of France is regarded by his vassals as the one true King, whereas John Lackland is forced to sign the Magna Cartha.
>>74719 If those retarded bitch ass Crusaders didn't betray the Byzantines and sack Constantinople, the Turks would have never won over Constantinople. Constantinople was basically defenseless as it had no external army to protect it, if the Crusaders didn't weaken the Byzantine Empire, it would have survived off against the Turks.
But what Mehmet the Conqueror did is pretty fucking impressive, I mean transporting your fleet on land with manpower? Noooice.
>Sulla cuts down every tree within 100 miles to build siege weapons including the sacred grove of Athens >the Athenians send people to negotiate with Sulla >the negotatiors start babbling on about the glory of Athens >Sulla tells them all to fuck off >eventually the Romans break through >Sulla and his legionaries wading around in rivers of Athenian blood >literal rivers of blood >the massacre only stops when the Roman senators beg Sulla to stop it >reminder that Sulla won every battle he ever fought and eventually died of too much drinking and whoring
>>74780 >>74810 >>74719 its been nearly 6 centuries after the siege, you'll think people already move on... I like the byzantine empire as much as anyone, but the amount of butthurt the balkanites have over the turks is off putting. The demonization of the ottomans for doing the same thing other empires did at the time, not to mention that the same people that whine about the ottomans celebrate when their preferred empire does it, is retarded
The French were famous for their cavalry charges for centuries, from the Middle Ages all the way to Napoleon. The Italians called it furia francese. If this was a video game, France's special ability would be cavalry charge.
>>74438 The french are known for charging you idiot. All the thing the french did their whole military history was charging. When the charge was brillant, then all of France rejoiced and was happy (Austerlitz, Patay, Bouvines...). And when it failed, everyone kept mocking France and laughing at it (Agincourt, the Golden Spurs...).
Even today the french charge. Not with horses but with helicopters, and with the use of light infantry.
>>74977 He looks clearly asiatic. Russians had a long tradition of using nomadic horsemen in their army and even nowadays there's mongolic peoples in russian Europe, to not mention the countless steppe nomads beyond the urals under Russia.
>>75256 They literally marched against Viena two times before that one. Plus years and more years of wars in Hungary between austrians and turkish proxies. 1683 was the Ottomans trying too hard to prove they were still relevant, really.
Lepanto, bitches. One of the biggest naval battles in history, one of the most decisive BTFOings of Europe v. Ottoman conflicts, and the end of the galley as the cannoned tall ship took the forefront of naval technology for the next three centuries.
Baffles me why nobody has made a film about the Battle of Trafalgar. I mean it was the most decisive naval battle in history up until Midway and even then Trafalgar is still seen as the more important of the two.
>>75401 Man, that's some bullshit. The British put a squeeze on India something fierce, forcing farmers to grow cash crops to the point where they could barely feed themselves, then not providing assistance during the inevitable famines.
The British claimed the famines were just a natural part of life, and it was normal for millions of people to die every few years.
Then, mysteriously, as soon as they left, the famines ended. Quite a coincidence, wouldn't you say?
2 million Indians died during WW2 even though there was no fighting there.
But they fucking were, do you have any idea about the context of the conflict? Had the Ottomans won over Vienna, one of the most important Christian cities of the world, the Ottomans would have been able to build an army there and start an invasion of Europe.
If it wasn't for Sobieski, a good portion of Europe would be Muslim today, he was based as fuck, and the Pope calling him "The Savior of Christendom" is a huge understatement.
>>74810 Reminder that the orthodox christians had almost 200 years to get their shit together but no, they prefered to fight each other and create epic slav "empires". They didn't even take profit of the miracle that was the invasion of Timur, that could've meant the total erasing of the Ottomans if the greeks had not wasted the chance.
>>75740 >no, they really weren't, I don't have a clue where you got this from The fact that the Viceroy told his government not to do anything because 'market forces alone would suffice to feed the starving Indians' is quite a big indicator.
>>75740 >the WW2 famine was a result of the Brits directing food to troops instead of to India, shit happens The proximate cause of the famine was a reduction in supply with some increase in demand. The winter 1942 ‘aman’ rice crop, which was already expected to be poor or indifferent, was hit by a cyclone and three tidal waves in October. 450 square miles were swept by tidal waves, 400 square miles affected by floods and 3200 square miles damaged by wind and torrential rain. Reserve stocks in the hands of cultivators, consumers and dealers were destroyed. This killed 14,500 people and 190,000 cattle. ‘The homes, livelihood and property of nearly 2.5 million Bengalis were ruined or damaged.’ A fungus causing the disease known as "brown spot", hit the rice crop and this was reported to have had an even greater effect on yield than the cyclone. The fungus, Helminthosporium oryzae, destroyed 50% to 90% of some rice varieties.
>>74107 >Borodino Not as tactically complex as Austerlitz, but sure. If you like watching battles of waves of men just pushing towards fortified positions with no discernible tactical subtly then sure.
>>75527 >The British claimed the famines were just a natural part of life, and it was normal for millions of people to die every few years. They were. Famine was a regular part of life in every country in the world before the British invented modernity. As to why they stopped after the Brits left India well you can thank Norman Borlaug for that one
>>75627 The 4th Crusade triggered the decline of the Byzantine Empire, there was nothing they could do to get to power. The Turks having competent leaders didn't help either.
The Byzantines couldn't afford to build a large army to defend themselves, ever since being annihilated by the Crusaders, all they could do was hire mercenaries from all around Europe to defend themselves, which makes me furious as I wish the Byzantines never lost. Mehmet the Conqueror planned the conquest of Constantinople ever since his childhood, it was his life-goal, and even upon reaching Constantinople with his large army, he was still losing, him transporting his fleet over land was legendary, really there was nothing the Byzantines could have done to stop the Turks the moment they were beaten by the Crusades.
Those Hungarian shits selling cannons to the Turks didn't help much either. Friendly reminder that the Byzantines could do absolutely nothing against the Turks even when Timur was killing the Turks in the East, because the Turks actually help power all over Thrace except Constantinople and the Byzantines could do nothing but watch their enemies slaughter each other.
>>74810 >>75966 >muh crusaders Do byzanboos on this board even know of the disgrace that was Manzikert? A defeat so decisive and humiliating that the Byzantines were then stuck asking for help from the west?
>>75946 Yeah, but introducing capitalism into a feudal society helped create famines.
Most of the famines in British India weren't from food shortages, it was just inability to distribute due to increased crop prices that poor people couldn't afford to pay because of a poorly planned economy.
It wasn't a decissive naval battle. The Royal Navy was already overwhelmingly dominant. It was a fraction of the british fleet blockading in Cadiz the bulk of Spanish and French fleet trying to sneak out to do something they didn't even know exactly what nor how.
Midway was a decissive battle. The fiasco of the Phillip II invasion fleet saved Elizabeth, The Downs and Texel saved the Dutch Republic, Tsushima established Japan as the major naval power in the region at the expense of Russia and jumpstarted its Imperialism, but Trafalgar was per se militarily irrelevant. It had political consequences like the continental blockade which damaged Britain much more than a loss at Trafalgar would havebut it also had problematic consequences for France.
>>74979 I think you downplay here what the Ottomans did. They completely turkified all of Anatolia and were on the way to finish off Greece. Horrible atrocities were committed as the Byzantines didn't even expect the invasions and opened the gates. Then they focused on overextending way too much and burned everything down. Take a look at modern Anatolia and read a list of all the Greek ruins. Not to mention modern genocide in WW1.
No empire other than the Arabians and Timur can really compare to them at the time.
>>75459 Napoleonic France was one of the most impressive country in the world (kinda like the 3rd Reich military-wise), of course it is admired I kinda feel bad for you Brits, your highest point was an empire built by defeating Zulus and Indians...
>>77070 You're overplaying what the ottomans did. See it in historical perspective instead of letting your feelings get in the way, and you'll see that nothing the ottomans did was exceptionally cruel, and other empires did the same (like the russians, funny you posted that image) >They completely turkified all of Anatolia and were on the way to finish off Greece Anatolia was turkified as a result of the movement of pastoralist tribes to the highland plateau, and even then a lot of the original greek population stayed there, the expulsions came later and where the result of modern nationalist policies adopted first by the young turks and then by the secular republic. If the greeks weren't retarded enough to attack the turks in the '20s then maybe there would still be a greek speaking population in Ionia and Trebizond, but thats muh irredentism, muh nationalism for you. And still, you're speaking as if Anatolia was eternaly greek, there where other peoples before that where "hellenised" by greek colonists. >Horrible atrocities were committed as the Byzantines didn't even expect the invasions and opened the gates What does that even means? >Then they focused on overextending way too much and burned everything down burned everything down? what "everything", be more specific. >Take a look at modern Anatolia and read a list of all the Greek ruins You mean those places that where ruins since classical antiquity? because most of the byzantine cities they took where settled, not destroyed. >Not to mention modern genocide in WW1 a sad thing from the 20th century, yes, but not of the period of esplendour of the empire >No empire other than the Arabians and Timur can really compare to them at the time Hah, how convenient for you. Perhaps you should think in the spanish colonial empire in the americas?
>>75051 I think one of the main reasons the French army started their "rebellion" in 1917 was due to this tendency of french generals, ie doing almost insane charges vs dug in germans positions, that cost the french hundreds of thousands of casualties during most of the WW1.
>French nobility wiped out >The longbow becomes the dominant battlefield weapon >the Blind King of Bohemia >arguably the first major victory for the English under their own separate identity since pre 1066 >10,000 English vs up to 100,000 French It really was a big deal.
>>78740 It's ok tier. It's an impressive rear guard action, but not as impressive as later Greek historians made it out to be. Aside from 300 Spartans, there were a few thousand troops from other Greek cities.
They managed to spin a pretty bad defeat into a glorious heroic action. So not really all that impressive, but a cool rear guard action nonetheless.
His army was too scared to take the walls because of incoming missiles. Alexander stormed the walls himself, his army followed and their weight broke the ladder. He refused to drop down into their arms, hoisted himself onto the wall, and fought alone.
His army, just minutes ago too scared to attack the walls, force open the gate in a mad frenzy to save the king. They slaughtered everybody they found and rescued a wounded Alexander, who spent the next 6 months being barged down rivers to Babylon.
When they cared him out of the city the entire army thought he was dead, and they had to parade him down the river to prove he wasn't.
>>79531 >They usually had numbers by the side. That's false though France was outnumbered in most of its wars Pic related
>And they used to lose lots of battles in which they had numerical superiority. They indeed lost some battles in which they had numerical superiority, like every country But they also won an insane lot of battles in which they were outnumbered
>So yes, french are faggots. You sound incredibly butthurt Why don't you go to /b/ or /pol/ instead of shitting up a decent board?
Earlier in the day the Germans had carried out the first large-scale poison gas attack of the war against the Colonial French lines next to the newly arrived and completely inexperienced 1st Canadian division, utterly routing the former and compelling the latter to extend their lines to stop a German breakthrough. Two battalions of Canadians and a few French counter-attacked into the gap, storming Kitcheners' Wood with fixed bayonets to drive the Krauts out, taking ghastly losses in the process.
Heck 2nd Ypres in its entirety is epic. Despite being the greenest troops around, issued with shit-tier Ross rifles, facing the completely new horror of chlorine gas and not even having a developed defensive system at this stage of the war the Canadians held the German advance long enough to break its momentum.
>tfw the Belgians built a damned amusement park on the hallowed ground of Bellewaarde Ridge
Oh yeah 2nd Ypres also gave us the immortal poem In Flanders' Fields.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Szigetvár >Let us go out from this burning place into the open and stand up to our enemies. Who dies – he will be with God. Who dies not – his name will be honoured. I will go first, and what I do, you do. And God is my witness – I will never leave you, my brothers and knights!... >Zrinski then ordered a charge and led his remaining 600 troops out of the castle. He received two musket wounds in his chest and was killed shortly afterwards by an arrow to the head. Some of his force retired into the castle. >Before leading the final sortie by the castle garrison, Zrinski ordered a fuse be lit to the powder magazine.[Note 8] After cutting down the last of the defenders the besiegers poured into the fortress. The Ottoman Army entered the remains of Szigetvár and fell into the booby trap, thousands perished in the blast when the castle's magazine exploded
>>74189 >The previous war between the two powers had ended in 591 after Emperor Maurice helped the Sasanian king Khosrau II regain his throne. In 602 Maurice was murdered by his political rival Phocas. Khosrau proceeded to declare war, ostensibly to avenge the death of Maurice. >Constantinople actually saw a siege God damn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Breitenfeld_%281631%29 >Revitalized the Protestant war effort >wasted most of the Catholic army >convinced many that victory was still possible even with the failures of the Bohemian Revolt and Danish Intervention
Rhodes is cool, because it ended, surprisingly for an Ottoman siege, in the garrison walking out with their colors, and not getting horribly massacred.
The follow-up at Malta is one of the most epic sieges in history, and thankfully ended in Ottoman defeat.
Then there's the Ottoman-Venetian wars. The siege of Famagusta lasted an entire year, and ended in true Turk-style treachery which saw the surrendered Venetian commander brutally tortured and executed. And then the siege of Candia on Crete, which lasted 21 fucking years.
And do I even need to mention the last siege of Vienna? Fucking real life Pelennor Fields.
Even the small ones are cool. The last Palaiologan holdout in Greece was this shitty small castle on a mountain in the Peloponnese. They held out for over a year by drawing water up from a stream outside with buckets. Eventually they cut that source off, and the civilian population inside the walls surrendered, but the soldiers held out even longer, until eventually securing a safe surrender.
Any siege involving Constantinople was also great. The Ottoman one was actually kind of lame, because despite the symbolism, it lasted only a month. The earlier Arab sieges were just as large, but were held off for months or years, successfully. And that was before the gradual downfall of the empire - back then, the Muslims were still a relatively new thing, and it must have seemed like a sudden apocalypse out of nowhere, to have hundreds of thousands of these heretics besieging New Rome, and it must have seemed like a major miracle for them to be repulsed twice.
>>73890 Battle of Gaugamela, the final land battle that broke the will of the Persians against a numerically inferior force
>Darius had the battlefield picked and specially prepared to fully utilize scythed chariots >Darius had taken no chances, called every conscript he could from every nook and cranny of the gigantic Achaemenid Empire >Entire force of Immortals are in the fray and ready to fight >On the other side was Alexander's army, rugged, battle-hardened brother-in-arms. >Already decisively defeated the Persians twice at Issus and Granicus >His advisors begged him to do things that might help him win like perform night attacks, to which Alexander declined, ended up being in favor for the Greeks because Darius, fearing a night attack, kept his men up >Alexander over-fucking-slept for the battle and declared he already won
>>81205 >battle opens up with a huge cavalry attack from the Persians on the right flank against the Macedonian Companions, if they broke the battle would have been over right there but careful and disciplined maneuvering allowed the greeks to force them back after a savage cavalry battle >Darius then sends his chariots down the line, but the Macedonian lines opened up into arrays allowing them to pass through harmlessly, and the skirmishers in the back killed all the survivors, essentially ruling the chariots a non-factor >Alexander, meanwhile has been riding out toward the right, far away from his lines. Darius, who was worried about what Alexander was planning ordered his cavalry to match him >While the infantry battle raged on, Alexander had forced the Persians to create a small gap by forcing the Persian's cavalry out far right and the infantry too busy dealing with the Macedonian phalanx >In a thunderous charge, Alexander and his Companions disengaged from his rear guard, holding the Persian cavalry with them, and charged that small point of weakness >He plunged straight through the Persian ranks, cutting off Darius and his Guard from his army, and forced the King of Kings to flee from the battlefield >With Darius fleeing, the Persian Army finally broke and later proved to be the death blow for the Achaemenid Empire >Alexander could have killed Darius right there, but being a true commander he collapsed back and saved his left flank which had been taking a beating the entire time from destruction instead of giving into bloodlust >Macedonian casualties were minimal while the Persians were all but driven from their own Empire
The past ten years have been a rolling civil war, with usurpations and counter-usurpations wracking the empire ever since Maximinius Thrax died at Aquileia. Sure, things are bad now, but surely this is the farthest our empire can possibly fall, and eventually another Septimius Severus will emerge and rip the empire out of the downward spiral it's been in as of late?
Then the Goths emerged onto the scene, carrying with them the Cyprian Plague and taking the head of Emperor Decius with them, turning the Crisis of the Third Century from a mere civil war, the likes of which came every now and again, into a truly existential period of hardship, of which it is amazing that Rome managed to make it out of.
This shit should be the intro to some RPG, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
>>73977 Crowley's account of it in Empires of the Sea is gripping as fuck. That and Rhodes (both of them) gave me a shitload of respect for the Knights Hospitaller. Probably my favorite Crusading order and they have to be up there among the greatest siege defenders ever.
The Siege of Famagusta's another great one, even if it was a Turkish win.
>>82398 It's not so much that they won, it's the idea of small groups legation guards from eight different nations, who couldn't all even understand each other, cooperating for 55 days to counter a vastly large force. Like something in a storybook.
The Napoleonic period is the exception to the general rule of French winning battles due to larger numbers only. Before then for each battle won by France against a larger force there are like 5 battles lost to an inferior force in numbers.
>>79874 >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_%C4%8Cegar >The Ottoman troops attacked five times, and the Serbs managed to repulse them five times. Each time their losses were great. Some of the Ottoman troops attacked, and some of them went ahead, and thus when they attacked for the sixth time they filled the trenches with their dead so that the alive went over their dead bodies and they began to fight against the Serbs with their bayonets, cutting and stabbing their enemies. >The Serbian soldiers from the other trenches cried out to help Stevan. But there was no help, either because they could not help without their cavalry, or because Miloje Petrović did not allow it. When Stevan Sinđelić saw that the Ottoman troops had taken over the trench, he ran to the powder cave, took out his gun, and fired into the powder magazine. >The ensuing explosion was so powerful that all of the surroundings were shaken, and the whole trench was caught in a cloud of dense smoke. Everyone that was in the trench was killed, as was everyone in the vicinity of it."
>>83079 Relevant in what way? WW1 and WW2 lots of things happened there, fall of Ottoman Empire is cause of the Balkan revolution, Yugoslavia didn't last long but had a huge impact. Also Yugoslavia tried to "unify" the third world to make a loose alliance if Warsaw Pact/NATO ever invaded. Didn't do shit of course, other countries were kind of irrelevant and it all went away with the death of Tito. It's always been relevant but in a small way.
The Battle of Zorndorf was pretty hardcore for its time.
>The battle was described by contemporaries as the bloodiest in the 18th century. One Prussian officer reported that "bodies of Russians covered the field row by row; they kissed their cannons while their bodies were cut to pieces by our sabers, but still they would not retreat".
>>83344 Oh yes, because European empires were absolutely evil to the Chinese and harmless Christian enclaves were monsters that deserved to be wiped out. Also European trade didn't open up China like a screaming child out of its culturally isolated mindset to actually develop as a responsible and well-administrated nation which accepted and integrated foreign ideas and technologies. It just brought opium lmao.
>>83571 They were a bunch of men a very, very long way from home who just had to save an enclave of their own pals from impending massacre. The same sort of pillaging and looting has been seen in plenty of similar scenarios.
If you want to be a nation that cuts itself off from the world, don't try to start shit with the people who run the world.
>>83467 > Also European trade didn't open up China >to actually develop as a responsible and well-administrated nation which accepted and integrated foreign ideas and technologies It really didn't? What part of the Qing, KMT China or even modern china was well-administered and responsible? Sun Yat-Sen was an idealist who died before he saw China anything close to united, Chiang was a military man sitting on top of a government of kleptomaniacs, Mao's china was as incompetent as it was uneducated, Deng and those after him rife with corruption whose main legacy is a massive inferiority complex.
>>83856 But that's pretty normal for the Mongols, who were usually fighting numerically superior opponents. It's not unbelievable to anyone from the rest of of the kingdoms across central asia that stood between karakorum and the khalka river.
>>83768 The Chinese had been incredibly resistant to foreign ideas for centuries. They'd burnt down a whole expeditionary fleet and masses of records from foreign nations and blocked themselves off from the rest of the world almost entirely. European ideas did manage to get into China through forced trade, but only very slowly and the population saw it as a total loss of the independence of China. For that reason they resented Westerners, and became difficult for them to adopt new philosophies and technologies.
It's a terrible shame that the one big idea which struck China to its heart would become communism.
>>84073 >The Chinese had been incredibly resistant to foreign ideas for centuries You're generalizing, this is all of two dynasties, the Ming (which burnt their expeditionary fleet for economic reasons, those economic reasons being fucking mongols cost money to fight) and the Qing. Both of them did not block themselves off from the world for particularly long at any rate, the Ming ending their ban on foreign trade within a decade.
>>84291 Still, the population was never very fond of Western influences. In general Christianity was heavily looked down upon and opposed, especially by militant groups such as the Boxxers. It's slightly understandable considering some of the blights European trade had brought to China as an empire, but there was still seriously a very arrogant view of the world by the Chinese, which led to them resisting Western technologies such as modern cannons and rifles, and improved infrastructure, naval designs, and medicines. You could likely blame the downfall of their nation on that.
>>74282 >Americans and Wehrmacht (and one heroic SS captain) fight alongside partisans >Against the fucking SS Division G von B. >To free FRENCH political prisoners >INSIDE A FUCKING TYROLEAN CASTLE WHERE TCHAIKOVSKY WROTE A SYMPHONY.
>>84683 Fair enough about the implicit Chinese view of their superiority, though I daresay most nations were pretty happy to cultivate the idea that their culture is the greatest. Christianity has had its moments in China, though particularly the Nestorians.
For me it has to be Chalons >Monstrous terror sweeping the land >Every opponent crushed >All that is let to save Western civilization is one empire on the verge of collapse >Somehow they muster the legions one last time >Somehow they get all the warring tribes to work together >Somehow they hold back the storm in one vast battle >Western civilization saved Literally the plot to the Lord of the Rings.I don't know how Rome managed to beat the Huns, the empire was fucked beyond belief by 451
>>84961 I have to agree that the Nestorians did quite successfully to establish the Church of the East in China, however like I stated, after some aspects of European trade began to plague the nation, pressure on Christians began to emerge and spread, which was not totally unjustified.
>>85336 >gold >magic I think Atilla was more inclined to take whatever Leo offered him after realizing that Western Europe wasn't a pushover after Chalons. A tribute is a good excuse to quit a war that you weren't really winning
>>82931 Funny how Yugoslavs and Greeks are always butthurt and claim that the Turks ruined them forever, yet the other formerly Ottoman lands turned out to be more influential and powerful economically and/or military than them. (Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia, Cyprus, Jordan, Bulgaria, Lebanon)
>>74066 I read about this in a book, was pretty cool. My Grandpa told me that people only called them a horde because it looked like they were overwhelming in force, they just had a lot of horses was the thing.
>>85951 They were constantly waging guerilla wars in the bosnian and croatian lands today if there wasnt a giant army on the march. They killed and enslaved almost the whole population and killed most of the nobility. Also governing christians in europe is not the same as the muslim regions you listed. Croatia was turned into a big military frontier so that ottomans couldnt spread more west.that stopped all economic development because all resources were used for war. They ruined the whole land.
"Gentlemen: it is true you have no arms; your enemy, however, to all appearance, have plenty. My advice to you therefore is that as there happens to be a great abundance of stones upon this moor, every man should provide himself, in the first place, with as stout a one as he can manage, rush up to the first Covenanter he meets, beat out his brains, take his sword, and then I believe he will be at no loss how to proceed!"
And then they proceeded to win the battle using rocks against an army that outnumbered them 4-1.
James Graham in general was a badass, too bad he's mostly forgotten.
>>74056 >only one national film industry could finance such movies and the people in control of this particular industry are not sympathetic to Christianity.
Are you fucking kidding me? Ever heard of the Passion of the Christ? How about the fact that last year we had two huge biblical films, Noah and the Exodus? And those are movie literally based on the Bible, about as Christian as you can get. Two battles which happened to have Christians on one side and Muslims on the other is even less in that direction, more akin to Kingdom of Heaven or something.
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