>>74870 Because those jobs don't pay anymore, while generic business jobs have gone through the roof in popularity in the last fifty years or so.
Some will claim it's part of the systematic plan to discourage the general population from intellectual pursuits, while steering them deeper into the rat race where the exploited feel like the real winners because of "muh 60k a year." No one wants 35k a year doing unappreciated intellectual field that isn't a safe bet compared to the very secure world of being an accountant or other completely lame shit no one actually wants to do. They are just conditioned to chase the almighty dollar, and that isn't found in the humanities anymore.
The answer is very simple, actually. It used to be that simply getting into college was a huge deal, and if you were lucky enough to graduate, you were almost guaranteed to find a job somewhere. So you could major in history or something that, and even if you didn't get a job in that field, you still had a degree to fall back on and get you a comfortable white collar job, somewhere, doing something. Competition is much more fierce now.
>>75095 >college for the masses really ruined it Yep. No one wants a complete shit poor paying job, naturally, so now EVERYONE is going to college. That's why we have hundreds of applicants vying for one low level office job, and many others having to take shitty jobs in the meantime, further increasing their inability to pay off loans, causing it to be likely for one to move back home or otherwise not spend any money toward real investments: like a house. It's all completely fucked unless we enact a massive reversal of what we've been doing, or we completely change the structure of our government to accommodate the insane changes.
>>75578 I've been here long enough to know that this argument won't get anywhere and will eventually degrade to trolling and memes. And yes, once insults get thrown, that's when it almost always happens.
You can still make it in the humanities you just need to have your shit together. Obviously somebody who coasts by getting Bs and doesn't take classes seriously and doesn't plan ahead will get fucked but that's their own fault.
Stagnation caused by forced accepted thoughts and methodology pushed by Baby boomers and old gen-x'ers. Once they die off people will actual be able to talk about new things and the humanities will be revitalized.
Post-Reagan America and Baby Boomerism does not value anything that does not make pure profit. Anything without a clear, exploitable profit incentive is relegated to the basket. The humanities fields are still flourishing with information, but less and less going to college are motivated to learn about it.
Because anyone with above average literacy can learn all that stuff in their free time. People do humanities as hobbies (poetry, reading, writing, history). You don't need to go to college to read the Beowulf. You can do it in your bed.
The reason STEM, trade schools and some business degrees are so much more valued is because the students gain trade or occupation specific knowledge for their future career that they can only get through a schooling system to prove that they learned it under top guidance.
I think learning and critical thought are extremely important honestly. So I don't really understand the STEM hatred for all humanities, it borders on the irrational the degree to which they loathe anyone who isn't a STEM major.
I know exactly what I'm doing with my degree, I know the employment I will get, and I know what I could and could not learn outside of the degree program. I plan to become a school teacher because it's something I have talent for, and want to do (my father mother and sister were all school teachers) I think math and physics are fascinating but I frankly do not have the appropriate skill set for them.
>>77068 No. You're just deluded if you think you can. Unless you are incredibly intelligent, and even then it's still a massive obstacle.
Unless your job is really few in hours, or you have a lot of free time on the job, there is no escaping it.
I'm not saying you can't do stuff in your free time if you're employed. But you will never become great at it. There is a reason basically all works of great art and the like have been produced by independent rich NEETs, people who were offered patronage to solely focus on their independent pursuits ect.
>>77163 I think you're in the minority here with having a plan once you graduate. Having gone through my liberal arts (history) undergrad, most people I knew in my program didn't really have a lot of ideas about what to do once they graduated. Teaching was a popular route, a masters degree was another popular one, some went into law, and a lot just kind of left and hoped for the best. The perception with STEM majors is that it's easier to find a job after graduating, as well as the idea that they'll probably make more money in their career.
Also has to do with the sense of superiority that comes from thinking they have to go through a harder program.
Nobody's saying you'll become the next bigshot historian, just that you can learn history. And frankly most people who major in the humanities never even try to achieve greatness. They just coast by getting B's and then bitch when they can't find a job.
>>76259 >Anything without a clear, exploitable profit incentive is relegated to the basket ^This. The funnier part is looking at all those students in business fields thinking they'll all be great traders with big income. Where most of them will instead spend their lives in an open space, yelling at people. Feels good to study Law I say.
>>77280 >Tons of people get their degrees while having jobs so your point is completely invalid.
You say this like a degree is hard to obtain. Maybe if we are talking PhD level, but undergraduate is a joke.
Why are you turning the argument on me personally? I never said i was great, never said i didn't work. In fact you know nothing about me. But nice assumptions my friend, you have truly showed how skilled and intelligent you are.
>>77306 I never said everyone who pursued the humanities is some amazing historian or whatever. Most people are mediocre dilettantes, that's just the fact of life.
>>75442 Absolutely fantastic watch, thanks for it.
I think it's all in how our societies treat humanities and liberal arts. Liberal arts, in particular; this thread has made me realize something endemic to this issue, something inherent in our language that's causing the issue. I had no fucking clue what the liberal arts had to do with, and I have a liberal arts degree. In our current time, it's treated as peformance, art, that which is relative to them, and things such as women's studies and the like. These are also immediately discounted as invalid fields of study that lead to poverty.
Not to lean on the classic "money isn't everything, be a starving artist" argument, but our society, as has been said, at some point decided college was the only way to get a good job. Now, everyone and their brother tries, and most positions are filled, or degrees devalued. The only things that still work the way that college is sold to us are the STEM or business sorts of things, and certainly not the humanities.
This leads to them being entirely ignored in our national psyche. People don't realize how broad the field of liberal arts or humanities is, and they discount it in their heads before they ever try to comprehend that. Liberal arts, or what's more, the term "Liberal arts colleges," is now intrinsically linked with Liberalism, arts colleges, Postmodernism, people being told how terrible white people are, people all about the whole Trans thing, oddball performance art pieces. It divorces it from discourse of politics, history, philosophy, of a study of Western civilization and values, and what exactly they are. That's a huge problem with this. Few people know what the humanities entails, and few of those that do find it attractive or practical to chase it and go into debt for it, because of their preconceived notion about what it will be like or what it will be to.
Damn, I am glad this board was made.
Thread replies: 48 Thread images: 5
Thread DB ID: 69520
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.
This is a 4chan archive - all of the content originated from them. If you need IP information for a Poster - you need to contact them. This website shows only archived content.
If a post contains personal/copyrighted/illegal content you can contact me at email@example.com with that post and thread number and it will be removed as soon as possible.