Not settling the slavery debate during the formation of the country was a pretty big one. I'd say losing China to the gommies also influenced US policymakers to not want to make that mistake again so they could make a mistake in Vietnam.
This. The world would be a much more prosperous place under detente. All of the poor Soviet bloc states would be richer thanks to not being cut off from the US, no pointless wars, no CIA backing of dictators. Nobody gained anything from the Cold War.
Nice bragging rights for a few years but nothing was really done with it. We'll probably still have a slight edge over the rest of the world in the coming decades, but since WWII the rest of the world has just been getting stronger.
>We gained the eradication of communism, an ideology which murdered close to 100 million people during the last century
Yeah, and Capitalism is responsible for the death of 100 million Amerindians right? Do you even understand what you're saying? During the Cold War the US government justified absolutely any action it took based on stopping Communism. It didn't matter to them that they dropped more bombs on Southeast Asia than in all of WWII, it didn't matter to them that they supported corrupt dictators in Guatemala, South Vietnam, South Korea, and Cuba because it was all in the name of stopping Communism, then it was acceptable. The anti-Communist crusade was a death cult that killed millions and set progress in places like Laos and Latin America back by decades.
>>75531 >Yeah, and Capitalism is responsible for the death of 100 million Amerindians right? No.
>Do you even understand what you're saying? Yes.
>During the Cold War the US government justified absolutely any action it took based on stopping Communism. Right. And history has vindicated American policies.
>It didn't matter to them that they dropped more bombs on Southeast Asia than in all of WWII, Better bomb a few forests than condemn millions of intellectuals, property owners, business owners, engineers, journalists, to execution and gulag labor.
>it didn't matter to them that they supported corrupt dictators in Guatemala, South Vietnam, South Korea, and Cuba because it was all in the name of stopping Communism Cuba was a lot better off under Batista. As for South Korea, are you serious? Are you claiming that South Korea was a bad thing, and that we should've let all of korea become communist? Fucking idiot, go live in north korea.
>The anti-Communist crusade was a death cult that killed millions and set progress in places like Laos and Latin America back by decades. No it didn't, Latin American countries which repudiated communism, such as Chile, are today the wealthiest countries on the continent. As for Laos, it's a communist country, so I don't really get what's your point.
Anyway, I'd say the US arming the Mujehaddin terrorists was the worst thing ever, considering that it laid the framework for Al Qaeda and the Taliban to be born and spread terrorism all over the Middle East, destabilizing the whole region.
Every death from terrorism today could be directly attributed to the US, THE most evil modern country on Earth today. Only country that could rival was the USSR but that's long gone.
The biggest mistake was to not follow your ancestors' will by killing every shit skin on the planet who refuses to evolve. Killing the indians was the best thing America has ever did in it's shitty history and Britain should have followed your example.
But then for some reason after the Wild West anarchy was over you morons began fighting between yourselves on 2 sides. Then you let your people become sheep. Then you let the jews take control of your economy via private banks. Then you let the niggers into your country. Then you refused to take over south america and Canada. Then you became conflicted with your morality despite being a country based on british criminal scum, which led to 12 year olds having sex, drinking, partying. You stopped embracing your true nature and you became weak.
Why did you bother framing Osama for 9/11 if you weren't gonna kill Iraq in the first place? Why bother lying about your identity and using psychological warframes when you are the wealthiest and strongest continent of 51 countries on the goddamn planet. You are rightiously evil, it is your destiny to take over the world. You should have countinued the war against the Soviet Union after germany was beaten.
Because of your inner conflicting morality you have become sloppy and started half-assing absolutely everything you got involved with.
But hey at least you created an artificial currency which funded Hollywood, NASA, Area 51 and many other things(which I appreciate, only you fags could fund out of reach ideas) then your 51 states went to hell because Illuminati controls it.
Supporting Mao Zedong over Chiang kai-Shek during the later phase of the Chinese Civil War.
The communist traitors who guided American policy in this regard, such as Owen Lattimore and Edgar Snow, should have been lined up and shot, I mean, who the fuck actually believed this?
>"And the impressive personal qualities of the Communist leaders, their seeming sincerity, and the coherence and logical nature of their program leads me, at least, toward general acceptance of the first explanation -- that the Communists base their policy toward the Kuomintang on a real desire for democracy in China under which there can be orderly economic growth through a stage of private enterprise to eventual socialism without the need of violent social upheaval and revolution."
This was the period of the Yannan Rectification Movement, when Mao was purging the fuck of the Chinese Communist Party. And yet Americans believed that the commies were just social reformers and the Kuomintang was the true evil.
>>75727 >'You know you never defeated us on the battlefield,' said the American colonel. The North Vietnamese colonel pondered this remark a moment. 'That may be so,' he replied, 'but it is also irrelevant.'"
It's still true though, all Americans I know believe that the Soviets lost the war and were running with their tails behind them, when the US did the same but some idiots still believe the US won the war? Really? What kind of cognitive dysfunction leads to such thoughts?
If the South managed to survive, I would have probably considered it a victory despite the Americans leaving, but it got annexed and the whole region became communist yet it was still a victory? Oh lord, wonder how low the IQ of the average right-winger is.
>>76331 You might try meeting some Americans outside of the history or politics sections of an image board designed to discuss Chinese Cartoons for one thing. The United States won the Vietnam war military but lost it politically.
>>76433 I never claimed Vietnam wasn't a colossal disaster for the United States, but it didn't have to be that way. It was not because any failing of the American military (though as in any other war there were many) but because of the perverse short-sightednesss of politicians. I imagine my grandchildren will probably be saying the same thing about Iraq to yours over the internet, assuming we live long enough to have them.
>>76196 >Killing the indians was the best thing America has ever did in it's shitty history and Britain should have followed your example. This. Dis. This. This Britain, America and Germany should have went on a fun joy ride of ridding the world of degenerate primitives which haven't managed to evolve with the rest of us. Imagine a world with no Turkey. Imagine a world where South America, Africa and the middle east aren't wasted on shitskins who are incapable of evolving and harnessing the natural resources of the globe.
>At the height of McCarthyism, Belfrage was summoned in 1953 to appear before the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). >In 1995, the decrypted VENONA intercepts—a project between the US and British intelligence services to decipher Soviet wires — were made public. United States intelligence has alleged that Unnamed Codename Number 9 (UNC/9) was Belfrage.
>In 1950, Senator Joseph McCarthy referred to Karr as Drew Pearson’s “KGB controller”. >After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992, in the new atmosphere of openness, Soviet investigative journalist Albats published an article in Izvestia quoting documents from KGB archives that Karr was “a competent KGB source” who ‘‘submitted information to the KGB on the technical capabilities of the United States and other capitalist countries.”
>Called before the HUAC (chaired by Congressman Karl Mundt), Coe denied under oath having ever been a member of the CPUSA. >A recent investigation into the KGB archives claims that files show Coe to have been a Soviet agent.
But this one is my favourite
>the United States refused to renew his passport in 1954 due to the McCarthyism atmosphere in Washington, DC. >He appears in the VENONA cables under the cover name 'PAGE', and in Soviet intelligence archives as 'VIM' and as a source for the Golos and Bentley spy networks.
Why he is my favourite? Because of this.
>From 1943 to 1944, Currie ran the Foreign Economic Administration where he played a major role in recruiting or recommending economists and others throughout the Washington administration. Prominent examples are John Kenneth Galbraith, Richard Gilbert, Adlai Stevenson, and William O'Dwyer.
So we have a Soviet agent recruiting people who would later become part of the American liberal establishment.
>>76378 >The United States won the Vietnam war military but lost it politically.
Oh boy, this is what happens when Americans are in charge of history... You can't get any more fucking stupid than this, can you? I don't think it's possible.
Pro tip from an adult, since the last few centuries, war is always for political ends, especially the Vietnam war considering it was a war against communism, and not a war for the sake of war.
You don't see people saying "Hey, the Nazis won WW2! Look at how many dozens of millions of Russian casualties they inflicted! Over 22 million!", so why would you say "Hey, the Americans won the Vietnam War! Look at how many hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese casualties they inflicted! Over a million!" I hope one day you just take a step back and think what about what you've said.
In order of (if) this happened already then (this) is the next biggest mistake 1. Independence 2. Formation of political parties 3. Marbury Vs. Madison 4. Formation of the early banking system and on to the fed 5. Civil war 6. Emancipation proclamation 7. Shermans March 8. Lincoln getting killed before he could deport the blacks 9. More banks getting control and an entanglement into foreign affairs 10. WW1 11. WW2 12. Everything there on is a lot of fuck ups
>>76235 Just imagine the alternative, you could not be banned and have your opinion shit over the SJWs who ignore what you have to say, the exact same way you would treat someone posting on /pol/, with only token consideration. And with all the SJWs yelling even more than they do and being completely justified in it, they're be an even louder echo chamber.
>>76642 What's there to read? In your head you still consider Vietnam a victory, it doesn't matter if it's politically or military, it's an absolute defeat. The North didn't win the war with a mere Pyrrhic victory, it was a total victory, they soon overran Southern Vietnam and help power over all region.
Only in your deluded fantasy you've won, either militarily or politically, you have yet to learn about asymmetric warfare and geopolitics.
>>76775 It's sad because you're lumped in with a gang that actually believes the US won in the Vietnam war. A gang that has a small double-digit IQ. I'd say losers of half of all the wars I know can effectively blame their defeat on politicians, ranging from early Carthage unwilling to support Hannibal defeat Rome, to the US losing in Vietnam, to even more recent cases like the 2006 Lebanese War, where the IDF inflicted larger casualties, but for the Hezbollah, it was a total victory. Israelis to this day still blame the defeat on their politicians for backing down, but they generally admit it was a defeat (Those I've known)
>>76806 >hurr read >Reads >HURR ABANDONING YOUR MISSION ISN'T LOSING! >HURR TERRIBLE CASUALTIES ARE THE ONLY THING THAT MATTER IN A WAR >HURR WE'VE CREATED A SOUTHERN VIETNAM EVEN THOUGH IT EXISTED BEFORE THE US INVADED
You can literally not be more retarded than this. Never mind double-digit IQ, it'd be a miracle if you had a single-digit IQ.
>>75181 I would argue that Vietnam wasn't that bad. The costs were pretty high, namely tens of thousands of U.S servicemen dead, a Communist Vietnam and billions lost, combined with massive disillusionment with the political establishment. BUT it wasn't a strategic defeat, in fact it lead to Detente and triangular policy with China, a policy which eventually won America the cold war.
I would say the years 1984-2008 were when the U.S really dropped the ball. It made literally nothing out of being the sole super-power, and fucked up the middle east to a point not yet seen in history
>>77143 >yes the USSR infiltrated to the US, and let their country to turn into a depressive shithole in the 90's, and let the americans to conquer the ME for resources you /pol/shits are funny as hell, now post more conspiracy stuff plz
>>77191 Hahaha... I actually think >>76587 is wrong, but so far my respect for pol has gone up, and my respect for you "historians" has gone down. Rather than point us all to the "truth", you sit there with your stupid memes. Did you get lost looking for /b/?
>>77191 There is no "conspiracy" about Soviet espionage in the United States, it happened, there is evidence about it, and it influenced American foreign policy in the early years of the Cold War (such as the loss of China to communism, which was what my original post was about).
If you are interested in understanding how did it happen, I can recommend you the works of Christopher Andrew, John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr. These are respected historians, none of these issues are controversial.
>>77478 Where did I imply I don't brows /pol/? I'm just telling you what he said. He said McCarthy got people prosecuted for being filthy communists, and he was right about commies being in the government. >>77481 K
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