>>77061 id imagine being raided by the mongolians has to be up there somewhere, also being an innocent, free first world white person and being kidnapped by the arab warlod and forced into slavery... shits kinda fucked man. To taste freedom only to know how badly your suffering. I heard Americans even got captured.
>>77061 The holocaust. Concentration camps in general actually. Basically hell on Earth. I can't even imagine what those people must have been feeling or thinking when they went through all that torture and forced labour and then were rounded up into the gas chambers and slowly and painfully left to die.
"Iraq in 1258 was very different from present day Iraq. Its agriculture was supported by canal networks thousands of years old. Baghdad was one of the most brilliant intellectual centers in the world. The Mongol destruction of Baghdad was a psychological blow from which Islam never recovered. With the sack of Baghdad, the intellectual flowering of Islam was snuffed out. Imagining the Athens of Pericles and Aristotle obliterated by a nuclear weapon begins to suggest the enormity of the blow. The Mongols filled in the irrigation canals and left Iraq too depopulated to restore them."
"They swept through the city like hungry falcons attacking a flight of doves, or like raging wolves attacking sheep, with loose reins and shameless faces, murdering and spreading terror...beds and cushions made of gold and encrusted with jewels were cut to pieces with knives and torn to shreds. Those hiding behind the veils of the great Harem were dragged...through the streets and alleys, each of them becoming a plaything...as the population died at the hands of the invaders."
>>77413 This, the Mongols were horrifying. Baghdad was the cultural and scientific center of the world at that time, ever since the Mongols destroyed it, the Muslims fell into the Dark Ages and never recovered. Quite a shame, they were pretty nice in their Golden Age.
I'd say the most brutal was Timur, to call this guy insane is an understatement, he makes the likes of Vlad the Impaler look like little girls.
The first day of the Battle of the Somme. Over 100,000 casualties on both sides in a single day. It must have been a terrifying sight to see tens of thousands of men ripped to shreds in No-Man's-Land without even a thought.
A treasure trove of documents detailing now forever lost histories and cultures? With linguistic information that might've helped us reconstruct other proto-languages and prehistorical migrations? Preenlightenment science? Witty bantz from all the world's cultures?
What, you really think a couple of peasants dying compares to that kind of loss?
>>77552 >What, you really think a couple of peasants dying compares to that kind of loss? yes, life is more valuable than knowledge. how do you know one of those peasants that died was the next alexander? or the next founder of an empire?
>Rape of Nanking >women and girks raped by entire squads and oerhaps even companies of jap soldiers >babies taken from rheir mothers and killed in sadistic ways >men executed in and around the city for sport
>Capture of Jerusalem during the first crusade by Crusaders >sources tell of women being raped >large scale executions of Muslims and Jews, regardless of age or gender >looting of valuables >It's said that those within the walls had to wade through blood up to their ankles or higher in the streets
>Occupation under ISIS controlled territory >slavery >genocide >rape >public executions in an extremely cruel manner
There have been lots of ugly moments. Pic related. The Battle of Agincourt was pretty grim
>As the battle was fought on a recently ploughed field, and there had recently been heavy rain leaving it very muddy, it proved very tiring to walk through in full plate armour. The French monk of St. Denis describes the French troops as "marching through the middle of the mud where they sank up to their knees. So they were already overcome with fatigue even before they advanced against the enemy". The deep, soft mud particularly favoured the English force because, once knocked to the ground, the heavily armoured French knights had a hard time getting back up to fight in the mêlée. Barker states that some knights, encumbered by their armour, actually drowned in their helmets.
Gallipoli because I know more about it than the rest of WWI, but WWI in general must've been horrifying
>anzac soldiers literally got so exhausted most of them would simply slump in their own shits while in the loo and drown >shit would fester like crazy, so many bullets flying out they start hitting each other in the air >turks keep running out of ammo and have to bayonet charge machinegun emplacements >turkish starvation reaches a degree where they start to eat the leathers of their boots
Iunno how much of that shit is true but it's still pretty bad man.
>For, if we may believe our elders, a brook flowing between low banks through the plain was greatly increased by blood of the slain. It was not flooded by showers, as brooks usually rise, but was swollen by a strange stream and turned into a torrent by the increase of blood. Those whose wounds drove them to slake their parching thirst drank water mingled in gore. In their wretched plight they were forced to drink what they thought was the blood they had poured from their own wounds.
>>77399 >muh muh polfags Kinda getting sick of this. As a /tg/ fag every time i wanted to talk about history id go to /pol/ or /k/ when /tg/ failed me. Fucker half of everyone posting here are from /pol/ and they arent blind racist skinheads. Stop with the "guys a pol fag is holding a gun to my head and ruining this board" bullshit.
>>77552 >A treasure trove of documents detailing now forever lost histories and cultures? Culture is objectively, literally useless. >With linguistic information that might've helped us reconstruct other proto-languages and prehistorical migrations? Same, knowledge of things that ancient is useless and doesn't help humanity in any way. >Preenlightenment science? Anything that could have possible been discovered back in those days has already been rediscovered a thousand times over.
>>78009 >I don't know much of oost Soviet Russian history but I'm damn sure Stalinist USSR was far worse. The majority of former Soviet people consider the fall of the USSR to be a bad thing to this day.
Soviet nostalgia is very real, don't believe the Amerifat propaganda.
>WW1 was so horrifying that the troops started fraternizing >the officers on both sides would execute the soldiers to force them to fight again I think that's pretty much the point where humanity went to shit.
More people died in the firebombing, and to be honest 100-200,000 people dying instantly + a few thousand radiation deaths is probably less overall suffering than a bunch of people burning to death and dying of smoke inhalation.
>>78516 >had contests between officers of who could kill 100 people the fastest with their swords > reports say around 20,000 women were raped in the first month alone >massive amount of civilians and unarmed soldiers who surrendered murdered in cold blood I'd say the occupation of Nanjing was worse.
>Operation Keelhaul was carried out in Northern Italy by British and American forces to repatriate Soviet Armed Forces POWs of the Nazis to the Soviet Union between August 14, 1946 and May 9, 1947. The term has been later applied – specifically after the publication of Julius Epstein's eponymous book – to other Allied acts of often forced repatriation of former residents of the USSR after the ending of World War II that sealed the fate of millions of post-war refugees fleeing the Soviet Union.
>This immediately affected the liberated Soviet prisoners of war, but was also extended to all Soviet refugees
>Among those handed over were White émigré-Russians who had never been Soviet citizens, but who had fought for Nazi Germany against the Soviets during the war, including General Andrei Shkuro and the Ataman of the Don Cossack host Pyotr Krasnov. This was done despite the official statement of the British Foreign Office policy after the Yalta Conference that only Soviet citizens, who had been such after September 1, 1939, were to be compelled to return to the Soviet Union or handed over to Soviet officials in other locations (for example see the Repatriation of Cossacks after World War II).
The darkly humourous part is that IIRC Luxembourg (or Liechtenstein, I forget which) refused to hand over Soviet refugees - to which the "dreaded USSR"...did absolutely nothing
>They were trying to escape. They asked us "Where's the railway?" We'd never seen a railway. They asked "Where's Moscow? Leningrad?" They were asking the wrong people: we'd never heard of those places. We're Ostyaks. People were running away starving. They were given a handful of flour. They mixed it with water and drank it and then they immediately got diarrhea. The things we saw! People were dying everywhere; they were killing each other.... On the island there was a guard named Kostia Venikov, a young fellow. He was courting a pretty girl who had been sent there. He protected her. One day he had to be away for a while, and he told one of his comrades, "Take care of her," but with all the people there the comrade couldn't do much.... People caught the girl, tied her to a poplar tree, cut off her breasts, her muscles, everything they could eat, everything, everything.... They were hungry, they had to eat. When Kostia came back, she was still alive. He tried to save her, but she had lost too much blood.
Your average human is a slave to his reptilian brain and would kill, rape and torture without hesitation for no reason at all. Fucking animals don't torture their prey in such elaborate ways as humans do. And all of that while humans have an entire section of their brain dedicated to feeling empathy.
>>77061 Something that happened to a Chilean Folk singer by the name of Victor Jara, who, along with many others were detained in a football stadium and both tortured and killed. The case of Victor Jara was pretty fucked up as he had his hands broken by officers and made to play a guitar. The last thing he wrote while in prison was the following:
There are five thousand of us here in this small part of the city. We are five thousand. I wonder how many we are in all in the cities and in the whole country? ... How hard it is to sing when I must sing of horror. Horror which I am living, horror which I am dying. To see myself among so much and so many moments of infinity in which silence and screams are the end of my song.
>>77399 i agree with you anon. the horror of hiding from the nazis as a jew during occupation must have also been terrible, I spoke with an old jewish woman in ukraine that was protected by her kolkhoz supervisor from the nazis in the caucasus during ww2, crazy stuff
>>79572 Met some Jewish survivors of the holocaust. They were kids at the time. They were sweet (like nice and bakes you cookies) old people. I was a terrible middle schooler and wish I payed more attention to what they had to say, but I was more concerned with chatting with my friends instead of learning boring history.
>>78603 it is. crazy, I was reading in Montefiore's book about stalin a while ago about how he buried all his victims beneath his mansion. it is an embassy building now, and they are still finding bodies while renovating. also fucked to think that he had the chance to be head of the ussr for a short period after 1953. super interesting guy really, he was insanely messed up mentally, but he was one of the most highly functioning upper level politburo members intelligence wise, he probably would have made the USSR stronger than kruschev or stalin, albeit his plans would have probably involved much more human cost.
Most of the genocides but the Mughals were particularly bad and are considered pretty much everything bad about Islamic Conquest, also the roaring sixties with the Americans and the Russians glaring at one another ready to put us collectively back to the stoneage. Then there's any loss of knowledge, Alexandria comes to mind but also Mongols in Baghdad and the Qin Dynastic purges.Then of course we have modern warfare that has been some of the most overwhelmingly brutal shit with even an incompetent boob being able to use high powered weaponry. All the while we have lost some of the most brilliant people far too early when they could have spent several decades improving things.
And that's just the start. Mind you, I think this is just the state of affairs, we've got capacity for both amazing acts and heinous ones. That's just history.
>>80474 >>77413 The myth of bloodthirsty mongols is nothing but western propaganda.
The mongol empire was extremely tolerant and would always offer surrender before attacking. The thing is, executing messengers was customary in all the cities that the mongols conquered, and that was a considered a huge insult by mongols. So they'd end up wiping out the city in return.
>>80596 That doesn't change the fact that their retaliation was incredible cruel. Destroying what allowed the cities to survive as well as killing most, or all the population just to set an example... was pretty hardcore.
That we didn't invade the Argentinian mainland after their invasion of our soil. That would have sent shivers up spines, orgasms down trouser legs and a sternly irrevocable message throughout the rest of modern history for foreign nation and fifth column alike that the British and all the Anglosphere are never to be messed with and are completely off limits.
They gave my father's grandfather's (O'Rodaigh) family and my mother's grandmother's (Cochrane) family a new chance in England in Leicester in the 1800's to live and work in Britain and gain citizenship. The Irish famine was the cause of Irish farmers greedily starving their fellow countrymen because they could export their own goods for greater profit overseas. Vote UKIP, donate your blood and make a positive change in the world.
This. Though >>80816 sums up the other side pretty nicely.
It was basically "Nah bro it's all chill, just pay us a tithe, give us any spare equipment you got, put your allegiance with the Khan, keep order, and don't start shit, otherwise 90% of you are going to die."
His plans for reform were too extreme and frightened the other politburros after Stalin died. He wanted to do away with most elements of Marxism because he felt they were useless and unhelpful, and he wanted to disengage from East Germany because it was an irrelevant entanglement. The rest of the high party members feared for their own positions if Beria took power, and ganged up to have him killed.
The final days of the American Indian Wars, leading up to Wounded Knee. To know that you were amongst the last free people of this northern continent, surrounded by machine guns, alcohol, & barbed wire on all sides.
>>82892 Yeah, the O'Rodaighs were from Mayo. Once. A long time ago, a time that has been and passed and gone. It's over. Now it's only rumours and myths and legends and no right-minded man should ever care for those.
I am no traitor. I am no traitor especially to some mythical past because I look forward, as you should, I look forward because there are far greater crises facing us right now than what the official line is in some dusty history book. We need to acknowledge our similarities; you and I as we are here right now and fight the fight burdened upon us than these old squabbles from men not left alive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide > The KR policies of forced relocation of the population from urban centres, torture, mass executions, use of forced labor, and malnutrition led to the deaths of an estimated 25 percent of the total population (around 2 million people).
The bombing of Dresden... The following is the account of Otto Sailer-Jackson, a 60 year old animal trainer turned Dresden Zoo inspector. Otto loved animals and described the moments following the raid as the most heart breaking thing he had ever had to do, and it haunted him:
'We did what we had to do, but it broke my heart. I collapsed physically and emotionally. Everything that happened after that, happened as if behind a veil. I was burnt out inside. I acted mechanically, as if I had no room for pain in my heart'
'The elephants gave spine-chilling screams, their house was still standing but an explosive bomb of terrific force landed behind it, lifted the dome of the house, turned it around, and put it back on again. The heavy iron doors had been completely bent, and the huge iron sliding doors which shut off the house form the terraces, had been completely lifted from its hinges. When I and some of the other men, including the elephant, warden Galle, managed to break into the elephant house, we found the stable empty.
For a moment we stood there helpless, but then the elephants told us where they were by their heart-breaking trumpeting. We rushed out onto the terrace again. The baby cow elephant was lying in the narrow barrier-moat on her back, her legs up to the sky. She had suffered severe stomach injuries and could not move.
A 90 cwt cow elephant had been flung clear across the barrier moat and fence by some terrific blast wave, and just stood there trembling. We had no choice but to leave these animals to their fate for the moment.'
>>78868 Tomoyuki Yamashita, blamed for the Rape of Manila despite officially declaring it an open city and withdrawing the IJA forces under his command. Soon after after an IJN admiral disregarded the Army order and moved his own forces in and initiated the bloody battle in which 100,000 Filipinos were killed and the city was essentially destroyed.
After the war Yamashita was blamed for the massacre and executed, although most neutral observers have concluded his execution had more to do with his humiliation of the British by capturing Singapore and for his continued successful resistance on Luzon up to the official surrender, which frustrated MacArthur's desire to completely liberate the Philippines.
'….In the same building as the hippos was the humanoid ape house. This also had been destroyed. Not a single ape could be seen, except for the gibbon, who crept out from under a corner. The creature held out it's hands to Sailer-Jackson, who saw that it had no hands, merely stumps. Haunted by the expression of suffering on it's face, he drew his pistol and shot the beast'
Old warden Lehmann went into the bear house while the flames roared up from it's roof. His favourite brown bear mother, who had two cubs, was still there, had been blinded by incendiary bombs. But she knew Lehmann's voice and let him to remove the cubs to safety…The female polar bear was there too, dreafully burned on the back by the thermite (or phosphorus) but covering and protecting her two cubs. Without making a sound, the mother kept the cubs pinned down with her huge paws so they could not run away and out into danger in the open. It would be a brave man who tried to take them away from her, but the old grey haired warden managed it. As the mother was in terrible agony she was dispatched with a pistol shot. Her cubs could have been reared from the bottle, but there was no milk in the ruins of Dresden, they soon died of hunger.'
The Devil's Tinderbox: Dresden, 1945, Alexander McKee (2000)
>>82733 correction: >We didn't treat us like animals. You're being as bad as a fucking Dindu for your one-sided history (read: been and gone bullshit) whining
WE gave my father's grandfather's (O'Rodaigh) family and my mother's grandmother's (Cochrane) family a new chance in England in Leicester in the 1800's to live and work in Britain and gain citizenship. The Irish famine was the cause of Irish farmers greedily starving their fellow countrymen because they could export their own goods for greater profit overseas. Vote UKIP, donate your blood and make a positive change in the world.
The Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia. Banned love and laughter, and had high-schools and universities turned into prisons. The most infamous prison is S-21, which had a survival rate of 00.04%, with its most infamous features being the killing fields, baby smashing tree, and dissection of people while still alive
Pretty much anyone on the receiving end of Uncle Sam's Red White and Blue Freedom Package has a living hell in store for them. Even worse is that it seems to be a bit of a pattern for American bombing campaigns to lack over site and tend to shift blame as soon as civilian casualties are involved. Although Canada is getting bad too since we've had two air raids in the last year which have supposedly killed civilians.
>>79060 There's a saying that goes something like >The civilized man is one meal away from savagery As long as our basic needs our met we remain civilized, and that is that is why revolutions happen in the third world but no longer happen in the first world- something the elites are well aware of.
>>83660 >According to the therapists who studied the group, their blindness was “linked to a dissociated cluster of primitive meanings, horrific images, and behavioral responses or muscular representations loosely organized around the incomprehensibility of the events and the desire or ‘need not to see.’ Literally Jesus Christ how horrifying.
>40,000 Iranian soldiers killed and wounded >Iraqi defences, under continuous strain since 15 February, seemed close to breaking. However, they were saved by their use of chemical weapons and defence-in-depth, where they layered several defensive lines; even if the Iranians broke through the first line, they were usually unable to break through the second due to exhaustion and heavy losses >Fighting took place in waters over 2 meters deep at times. Iraq in response to the attacks ran live electrical cables through the water, electrocuting numerous Iranian troops and then displaying their corpses on state television >Heavy use of chemical weapons, mainly mustard gas
>>82945 Not to sound like a pol faggot, but the evidence on hand doesn't exactly support the idea of gas chambers being used during the holocaust if you dismiss obviously biased Jewish/Soviet "first hand" accounts. That being said, being locked up in a camp with most of the people you know dying is pretty traumatic.
>>78812 Something I'll always remember is grandpa telling how he was protesting against the forced repatriation at the port when a few Russians that had fleed to Sweden jumped into water and tried to drown themselves as they were about to be taken to a ferry back to Soviet Russia a year after the end of WWII. Surely they were brought back up and resuscitated. The Swedish king advised everyone that had come from the Soviet Union to escape to Canada, USA, Australia or South America, otherwise the politicians may decide to remotely kill you.
>>78586 It's not the fact that they had to be in pain or not. It's the fact that humanity had reach a point where it could suddenly and deliberatly end life on a scale so ridiculously massive that even the inventor had to take a step back and be like: Oh shit. The fuck did I unleash on this world.
i was reading on the Hillsborough disaster the other day - thats a pretty crazy way to go out. certainly not up to the scale of some of these, but check out the pictures of faces smashed against the fence, very disturbing.
also the video of the station nightclub fire is terrifying.
none of these are up to the scale of the scenes of genocide and war in this thread. but for those who live in nice 1st world countries its a reminder that truly fucked up shit can happen when youre just out to have a good time
Mass rape and plundering, famine, pestilence, witch hunts
Civilians were killed on a massive scale. Not only were their lands used as battlefields but foreign armies on both sides of the conflict would abuse them, rob them, and murder them. They would sweep through and take food and supplies like a locust swarm. They would leave rubble and decaying bodies on the battlefields during campaigns, leaving the civilians to clean the mess and suffer the diseases.
Imagine living in a place where mass amounts of foreign troops, in constantly shifting allegiances to one another, could at any moment choose to destroy your town completely. Where there is literally no one to protect you, someone with your well being in mind. Where your sons are forced to join militias, never to be seen again, and your daughters are raped and killed. Your entire civilization is a Risk board for foreign kings playing politics.
I know, this is very analogous to the proxy conflict we have now.
Being on a ship or sub during a naval battle sounds like a bad time. I remember some graphic details from reading a book about the Battle off Samar.
>shell hits the ships boilers >700F steam shoots all over the boiler room >literally cooks the men inside alive >one man tries to climb out, one officer tires to help him out >ends up pulling off all the flesh from his bones
Even after that the survivors were adrift for two days and a forth of them died from a combination of shark attacks, delirium, and dehydration.
Also apparently if you wanted to be a dick to enemy survivors in the water you could throw a depth charge in the middle of them and the resulting pressure wave would give them a sonic enema that would rip apart their eternal organs.
>>83660 Actually knew a woman from Cambodia who's parents were killed by the Khmer Rouge. One morning she woke up, and her father had his neck slit, the next day her mother was taken from her home, raped, and shot.
Nicest lady I ever knew, but seeing that shit will make you humble or fucked up, I guess.
>>87176 The Schwedentrunk (English: Swedish drink) is a method of torture and execution. The name was invented by German victims of Swedish troops during the Thirty Years' War. This method of torture was administered by other international troops, mercenaries, and marauders, and especially by civilians following the Swedish baggage train, who received no pay. It was used to force peasants or town citizens to hand over hidden money, food, animals, etc., or to extort sex from women.
They lay the bound servant on the ground, stuck a wooden wedge into his mouth, and poured into his belly a bucket full of foul manure water, which they called a Swedish Drink.
>>87106 >Particularly active in the Kaunas pogrom was the so-called "Death Dealer of Kaunas", a young man who murdered Jews with a crowbar at the Lietukis Garage before a large crowd that cheered each killing with much applause; he occasionally paused to play the Lithuanian national anthem "Tautiška giesmė" on his accordion before resuming the killings.
>>77341 >The Library of Alexandria was destroyed all at once >It didn't slowly decline over centuries >We'd be on Mars right now if not for those dastardly Christians >Agora was a fully historical movie with no bias whatsoever >Buy The God Delusion and worship a neo-enlightenment view of history
The slow destruction of the Norse settlement in Greenland. Imagine inbreeding, stagnating and running out of food slowly on a tiny patch of green at the edge of one of the world's biggest ice sheets, without any trees to make wood and escape. Shit's fucked.
>>89080 But you see, even though they will read (or probably read) this, and even though it is well sourced, they'll simply carry on repeating their mantra. This is exactly why Holocaust discussion should be banned, not because ''lie fears investigation'', but because these people are totally disinterested in discussion, they simply want to pummel you with their propaganda until you accept their reality. Holocaust denial has nothing to do with seeking truth, it's purely political endeavor, which has two goals: to whitewash Nazi regime, and to smear Jews. Of course, they completely ignore Nazis didn't just kill Jews during WW2, and that they executed millions of non-Jews in various ways. But deniers, who are mostly American, lack even basic knowledge about WW2.
>>87086 He is right though. Only evidence for the gas chambers is eye witness.
Evidence against includes conflicting eye witness of Jewish prisoners some saying they existed, some saying they didn't, the fact they were never referred to any official capacity, the lack of chemical evidence of zyklon B in the gas chambers, the fact that to kill such a large amount of people in such a short time you would need a fucking crazy amount of zyklon B, considering it's basically just delousing gas.
Point is, yes there were Jewish concentration camps. They were fuck horrible. They probably didn't have gas chambers though.
Sventlana Alexiecich's books on Chernobyl really opened my eyes to how scary the whole thing was for the people going through it.
The workers were whisked away and their families had to track them down later in russia. When they got there the workers were basically falling apart and turning into goo, and people around them were getting sick.
No average person knew a single thing about radiation at the time so it was like this insane evil magic force. They just did things like change people cloths and burn them after a single use and started isolating the patients. They supposedly cleared out the floor above and below in this hospital as the workers were dying and doctors and nurses just went awol and NOPE'd out when people around the patients started getting sick as well.
>>89434 I have to agree. Torture is, psychologically, built around messing with one's mind. It's meant to cause agony for the person and witnesses. No idea what kind of mindset the people who do it have aside from the mentally unwell or sociopaths.
Mass torture sounds like literal Hell while mass and instantaneous murder, while not pleasant, seems less horrible. Still horrible, but less horrible.
>>78516 >It's not bad because "worst" things happen Are you people serious? If someone survive the fire bombing they would live a full life. If someone survived a nuke bombing they would die a slow death of radiation without knowing why you are dying.
>Since Hiroshima was completely enveloped in flames, we felt terribly hot and could not breathe well at all. After a while, a whirlpool of fire approached us from the south. It was like a big tornado of fire spreading over the full width of the street. Whenever the fire touched, wherever the fire touched, it burned. It burned my ear and leg, I didn't realize that I had burned myself at that moment, but I noticed it later.
>>83660 >On 17 April, it is 25 years since Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge entered Phnom Penh. In the calendar of fanaticism, this was Year Zero; as many as two million people, a fifth of Cambodia's population, were to die as a consequence. To mark the anniversary, the evil of Pol Pot will be recalled, almost as a ritual act for voyeurs of the politically dark and inexplicable. For the managers of western power, no true lessons will be drawn, because no connections will be made to them and to their predecessors, who were Pol Pot's Faustian partners. Yet, without the complicity of the west, Year Zero might never have happened, nor the threat of its return maintained for so long. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2014/04/how-thatcher-gave-pol-pot-hand
>After Vietnam had invaded Cambodia and set up a new government, the ousted Khmer Rouge leadership, including Pol Pot and Nuon Chea, retreated to the jungle along the Thailand-Cambodia border. Instead of becoming pariahs, they continued to play a significant role in Cambodian politics for the next two decades. Child at refugee campThe Khmer Rouge would likely not have survived without the support of its old patron China and a surprising new ally: the United States. Norodom Sihanouk, now in exile after briefly serving as head of state under the Khmer Rouge, formed a loose coalition with the guerillas to expel the Vietnamese from Cambodia. The United States gave the Sihanouk-Khmer Rouge coalition millions of dollars in aid while enforcing an economic embargo against the Vietnamese-backed Cambodian government. The Carter administration helped the Khmer Rouge keep its seat at the United Nations, tacitly implying that they were still the country's legitimate rulers. http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/cambodia/tl04.html
>>90379 Not true, there is an immense amount of evidence from various sources including forensic evidence of the chambers, Zyklon-B gas orders, blueprints for the crematoria, photographs of the installations and the burning mounds of corpses, testimonies from SS guards both in confession and diaries,documentation of the number of people transferred; the list goes on.
>>78516 >in an instant I forget where I read it but there was some really nightmarish shit in store for the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagaski. Like brains melting out of someone's ears while they're covered in horrible radiation burns.
>>77061 Genghis khan's kindness to conquered cities. Rape of Nanking. Holocaust. Armenian genocide. Rwandan genocide. Somme. The entirety of communism. Unit 731. American medical experiments on blacks in early 20th century. Ottoman empire. Haitian revolution. Spanish inquisition. Hernan cortes and Francisco pizzarro's conquests in South America. Many, many more events I haven't included Out of all of these I would say that communism in USSR and China was probably the worst for humanity.
>>92492 >rwandan genocide jesus i forgot how brutal that shit was >anywhere between 500,000 and 1 million people killed >not even systematically >done with fucking AKs and machetes like how the fuck did it happen, especially since it's so recent
Atomic bombing was justified, because an American invasion of Japan would have been national suicide for the Japanese.
The Japanese had no merchant marine, no food resources, and were completely at the end of their ropes, and would have had to suffer through a joint US-Soviet occupation. The project casualties for Japan were in the millions.
While atomic bombing was cruel, it was the more merciful outcome, because it broke Japan's will to right.
>>92492 >communism >literally the worst thing ever
USSR and China were and are complete shitholes, engineered famines and gulag are horrible things, same with civil repression. But none of these things are at all unique to tell countries you're describing, that shit has been going on forever. US puppet governments were doing that kind of thing in Latin America and Asia at the same time. In Indonesia around a million civilian communist sympathizers were killed in 1966, that's one example.
I'm not defending the countries in question, but I do think it's ridiculous to say "communism" is responsible for some stuff has been pretty standard through all of human history.
Battle of Paschendale WWI. Men drowning in mud, and it took hours for them to slowly deep down into it, obviously screaming and crying the whole time,and there was nothing their friends could do. Happened to thousands.
Being a postal worker conscripted to rake dirt on top of the Chernobyl generator with the radiation so strong that it made the hairs on your arms dance, and having your testes bombarded with radiation, and being told that you have 2 weeks after this is pretty shitty.
This happened to thousands of firemen, they rotted from within.
>>93531 Have the individuals who suffered ever received reparations? Obviously it being the Soviet Union which wouldn't even exist in 5 years I assume not, but it's incredibly fucked up how many families were ruined due to the negligence of the state.
>>93517 There are many personal reports of this happening throughout the wet months of the battle. Considering the vast majority of guys weren't writing anything down after the war it's plausible that this was happening all over the line on both sides. A few thousand is a fair estimate
> Subsequent investigation by forensic pathologists determined Hellevik, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient and in the process of moving to secure the inner door, was forced through the 60 centimetres (24 in) in diameter opening created by the jammed interior trunk door by escaping air and violently dismembered, including bisection of the thoracoabdominal cavity which further resulted in expulsion of all internal organs of the chest and abdomen except the trachea and a section of small intestine and of the thoracic spine and projecting them some distance, one section later being found 10 metres (30 ft) vertically above the exterior pressure door
If you have an interest in a portrait of human suffering on a grand scale, this is a good book for you.
The children are all told that they are the exception for abortion being a sin because having a baby means having monsters. One woman was interviewed whos baby had no genitals or asshole or nose, and said god paid her for not listening to her parents.
>>90442 >destroy every dissident culture >destroy every religious symbol you do not agree with >destroy things that have value to your ennemies to taunt and mock them >without traces of any culture or religion that isn't yours, you homogenize the ideologies and mindsets of your population They are thinking on much longer term than many want us to believe
Not exactly "horrifying" in the sense of the brutality of most other things already posted, but this always gets me. Imagine these sailors far away from home knowing they have 80,000 enemies marching upon them. These guys had some serious balls
"The difficulties resulting from such a large scale action—in particular concerning the seizure—were overcome in Kiev by requesting the Jewish population through wall posters to move. Although only a participation of approximately 5,000 to 6,000 Jews had been expected at first, more than 30,000 Jews arrived who, until the very moment of their execution, still believed in their resettlement, thanks to an extremely clever organization."
> Plan to kill 5-6k people > 30,000 show up > They all think they are going to be resettled
For a group of people who apparently control the planet, the Jews of Eastern Europe were very ignorant.
>>77061 Germany at this very moment. Leftists extremism in combination with the overall left attitude of the leading parties is giving people reason to go for the extreme opposite. Give it another 2-5 years and it will be the Weimar republic all over again. It will be almost exactly 100 after the last time and everyone will say " i didnt See it coming"
>>93466 Actually it is. You see this argument every single day, yet people still somehow don't get it. "Nuclear" and "radiation" are just concepts that are accepted as inherently evil by people, even when they cause much less damage than alternatives.
>>96663 I love how so many people get defensive about the Japan bombings. The OP reads "what are some of the most ugly and hellishly horrifying moments in human history?"; the complete destruction of two cities filled with civilians certainly fits that description. Whether or not it was "justified" or "for the greater good" does not make it any less so.
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