Is this the most embarrassing military defeat in History?
>So great was the shame, and the ill luck thought to adhere to the numbers of the Legions, that XVII, XVIII and XIX never again appear in the Roman Army's order of battle. The Battle of the Teutoburg Forest was keenly felt by Augustus, darkening his remaining years. According to the biographer Suetonius, upon hearing the news, Augustus tore his clothes, refused to cut his hair for months and, for years afterwards, was heard, upon occasion, to moan, "Quinctilius Varus, give me back my Legions!" (Quintili Vare, legiones redde!)
Operation Cottage was also pathetic
>The Japanese had secretly abandoned the island
>Both U.S. and Canadian forces mistook each other as the Japanese and, as a result of friendly fire, 28 Americans and 4 Canadians were killed, with wounded on either side. A stray Japanese mine caused the USS Abner Read (DD-526) to lose a large chunk of its stern. The blast killed 71 and wounded 47. 191 troops went missing during the two-day stay on the island and presumably also died from friendly fire, booby traps, or environmental causes. Four other troops had also been killed by landmines or other traps.
another one in that vein
>Exercise Tiger, or Operation Tiger, was the code name for one in a series of large-scale rehearsals for the D-Day invasion of Normandy, which took place on Slapton Sands or Slapton Beach in Devon. Coordination and communication problems resulted in friendly fire deaths during the exercise, and an Allied convoy positioning itself for the landing was attacked by E-boats of Germany's Kriegsmarine, resulting in the deaths of 946 American servicemen. Because of the impending invasion, the incident was under the strictest secrecy at the time and was only nominally reported afterward. As a result, Exercise Tiger has been called "forgotten."
I'm a big partisan of the battle of Aljubarrota. The opposing generals were brothers as well.
>After the battle, Krum encased Nicephorus's skull in silver, and used it as a cup for wine-drinking. This is one of the best documented instances of the custom of the skull cup.
demoralizing yes, embarrassing no
it was simply a kind of war the US was unprepared to fight. The north vietnamese were completely dedicated to victory at any price, and the price for them was indeed extremely high.
>aussies still loading pic related
why such a strong reaction? I don't consider it to be embarrassing that we lost, we never should have been there in the first place. That was what was embarrassing about it, that the leadership wasted so many resources on an unwinable war for reasons that were at best abstract and at worst completely ludicrous, and that even still there were people saying that the North Vietnamese were close to cracking.
In WW2 the Italian Army had pretty poor equipment, not a lot of good leaders and awful morale. Mussolini was just about the only one excited at the prospect of war.
There were exceptions, Rommel said that the Italians he worked with were perfectly fine soldiers when well supplied and led and Amedeo Guillet did some very impressive stuff in Eritrea.
You're 100% right. These nitwits making fun of you seem to think the goal was to create a 51st state. It wasn't. It was the same goal the U.S. military has had since WWII: Fuck up an enemy enough to thwart any potential that enemy may have of becoming a legitimate threat. Our enemy there was of course not the Vietnamese rice farmers, but instead the Soviets and Chinese. We fucked the country up enough to make it a victory. The Soviets never did anything close to the same thing to the U.S. in the Western hemisphere.
The truth is that the U.S. was a fat and happy nation fighting a small, poor and hungry nation, albeit one propped up by much more powerful countries. When the U.S. accomplished its goal, there was no need to rub it in and waste money and our own soldiers.
You're forgetting that we held back on nuclear attacks, something that was considered and a very real possibility.
Yeah but honestly. Romans only conquered already developed land. Hispania, gaul, britannia all had real economies and a lot of exploited mines. Germany was just forest except at their border with the empire.
don't be a retard
That was a two or three month battle
300 could easily be
>maximum strength (repeatedly reinforced and decimated)
>recorded strength (vs recorded casualties)
stop using up my oxygen
Well, the Vietcong themselves said they had exhausted their resources in the Tet Offensive. Really the sole major failure was JFK not following through on Eisenhower's commitment to not allow the NVA to establish supply lines through Laos, and then LBJ's desperate attempt to rectify the situation.
Seriously man, the Crusaders were fuckin badasses. The greatest warriors from all over the world coming together to form one of the strongest mounted armies in history vs. Southern European retards.
Gauls were heavily trading with the romans and were exploiting at full forces their rich mines before the romans even considered conquering them.
Arminius and this battle was milked to death by the german nationalists back then.
>They had real economies because the Romans put work into building those economies
It was actually pretty well-developed by the time of Caesar's invasion, as demonstrated by the enormous wealth of gold and silver that Rome seized.
IIRC the plough necessary to fully exploit the heavier soils of northern Europe was invented centuries after Rome fell, so there was little actual value in conquering the rest of "Germania"
Not to be a /pol/ack, but Germany doesn't like to discuss their history anymore, since they were used to encourage patriotism by Nazi Germany. Now they're too ashamed of what their ancestors did a millennium ago.
>invade the desert
>Romans underestimate the Parthians, and they know that
>Parthians ride in covered in cheap rags and dust, same with their horses
>before the charge, they fling off the rags and reveal beautiful sets of armor. Some romans even said "The horizion looked as if it were on fire" as the Parthans revealed their great armor
>Parthians make a fool of the romans with Cataphracts and horse archers
Honestly I think it all went downhill after Diem was overthrown. There's a revisionist-leaning book that makes a pretty good argument that Diem was a necessary evil to ensure stability in South Vietnam.
Once he was overthrown South Vietnam became like those African countries that have a coup every five years
Jezz, you portugueses are obsessed with that battle.
>When the Sui army had reached Salsu the water level was shallow, as Eulji Mundeok had already cut off the flow of water with a dam. When the Sui troops were halfway across the river, Eulji opened the dam and the onslaught of water drowned thousands of Sui soldiers.
British losses are about 800, Portuguese losses, are about 800. Spanish losses are 25,000.
During the brief but decisive clash, Israel utterly routed the armies of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria in less than a week, despite being outnumbered nearly three-to-one in men, planes, and tanks. It was one of the most spectacular underdog victories in the history of warfare, stunning the world and in the process creating a series of problems that continue to bedevil Arab-Israeli relations to this day.
supporting Israel is for Patricians my friends.
it was this desu
>biggest empire ever
>loses to a few thousand farmers
>On 2 November the men traveled to Campion, where some 50 emus were sighted. As the birds were out of range of the guns, the local settlers attempted to herd the emus into an ambush, but the birds split into small groups and ran so that they were difficult to target. Nevertheless, while the first fusillade from the machine guns was ineffective due to the range, a second round of gunfire was able to kill "a number" of birds. Later the same day a small flock was encountered, and "perhaps a dozen" birds were killed.
>The next significant event was on 4 November. Meredith had established an ambush near a local dam, and over 1,000 emus were spotted heading towards their position. This time the gunners waited until the birds were in close proximity before opening fire. The gun jammed after only twelve birds were killed, however, and the remainder scattered before more could be killed. No more birds were sighted that day.
Look mate, emus are crafty little buggers...
Can someone explain why this was so decisive?
It seems like a century earlier the Romans had suffered a much, much worse defeat at the hands of Germans, at a time when they were smaller too, and yet quickly recovered.
you're an Idiot friend,The Soviet Union played a crucial role in arming the Arab states and instigating the Six-Day War.
Initially supportive of Israel at the time of its founding, by the early 1950s the Soviets no longer regarded the Zionist state as useful for extending their influence into the Middle East. Transferring their support to Arab side, the Soviets took on the role of armorer for both Syria and Egypt, supplying them with modern tanks, aircraft and later missiles. The Egyptian and Syrian armed forces primarily used Soviet weapons during the 1967 war and employed tactics developed by the Soviets.
The Soviet Union exerted a troublesome influence on the events leading up to the war by feeding Arab suspicions about Israel. This culminated in the delivery to the Syrians and Egyptians of a false alert on May 13 that Israel had massed troops near the Israeli-Syrian border in preparation for an attack on Syria.
Because morals, in the war against carthage, rome suffered a LOT of defeats, however, they always recovered because they had hope and were patriots, now in this time, rome was fallen in corruption and power plays.
Fucking Habsburgers. They knew why they focused on strategically marrying into other royal families instead of war.
>tfw you could never got back and warn Augustus of this
I saw a doco saying that if it didn't happen almost all of history would've been different in. Was it really that influential of a defeat?
I'm convinced that this was a false flag operation to justify a US invasion of Egypt but LBJ got cold feet and decided against going forward. Probably a good thing too since Sadat came in 3 years later and broke off relations with the Soviets anyway.
It's generally seen as the battle that stopped Rome from expanding into Germania. It could be argued otherwise like in this thread, but whatever. The Anglo part of Anglo-Saxon came from Germania, so anything in British history would also be affected.
>No mention of Israel having mountains of the latest U.S supplied equipment
Isandlwana was a pretty bad defeat considering that the Zulus just had fucking spears.
It wasn't that decisive, within a few years Rome was back to subjugating Germania. In hindsight though, there is a decisive change in Roman policy and the expansion that fueled Rome ends at the Rhine.
indeed, it was the third largest force from the americas after the US and Canada. Brazil had been neutral but direct involvement came after several sinkings of Brazilian ships by U-boats outraged the nation. Brazilian infantry had a reputation for fighting hard though casualties were often extremely high.
>On 23 July the Byzantines quickly captured the defenseless capital. The city was sacked and the countryside destroyed. Khan Krum attempted once more to negotiate for peace. According to the historian Theophanes, Krum’s proclamation stated, "Here you are, you have won. So take what you please and go with peace." Nicephorus, overconfident from his success, ignored him. He believed that Bulgaria was thoroughly conquered.
Germany got a sweet statue out of it though.
I don't think Drake was even trying anymore at this point of his life.
>Following World War II however, schools often shunned the topic since it had become associated with the militant nationialism of the Third Reich, and many modern Germans don't know about Arminius.
I respect Israel because they took a tiny sliver of shitty no-resource land and turned it into the 19th highest HDI, and while being surrounded by enemies they STILL win every time.
Anyone who hates Jew's are just mad that they won the game of life so hard they became the GM's.
I honestly don't understand why so many people hate Jews
There are so few Jews around (at least where I live) that they can't possibly be this much of an issue.
I don't even support Israel in the slightest but I don't hate Jews and I think it's stupid to hate them.
Now MUSLIMS, there's a religious group I can understand disliking
Read my post
I said I don't support Israel, I agree with you and think the Israelis are massive dickheads and that there should be a two-state solution
But it's not fair to blame Jews for the actions of the dumbass Israelis
It's the case with all extremists. Not all liberals are skeletons, not all conservatives are /pol/, not all Muslims are terrorists. The hardliners are not the same as the moderates, and the moderates definitely are not to blame for the problems in the region.
Also, we should probably get back on topic before mods ban us.
Americans giving out false information as always
St. Clair's defeat was pretty rough for the early US. It wiped out a sizable chunk of the frontier military at the time and led to the US signing treaties a lot more often rather than risking direct warfare with the natives.
a) I suspect you mean the 2000 year anniversary.
b) Some shit did happen, it just wasn't a big deal, because it happened 2000 fucking years ago, our nation didn't even remotely exist then, and part of whats now it was part of Rome.
How many more have to die until the Germans are free to do their own interest?
The Jews tried to subjugate the Germans.
The Romans tried to subjugate the Germans.
The Polish tried to subjugate the Germans.
The Russians tried to subjugate the Germans.
The Allies tried to subjugate the Germans.
There can only be mountains of blood, this time of all the leaders and media.
Those pesky Germans stinting on the their greatest victory.
>Piss drunk and undisciplined Germans vs. Roman heavy infantry and auxiliaries
>totally route and devastate the Roman legions and steals three of their eagles.
Too bad that Germanicus decided that Germans deserved to be put down into the ground and brutally put them to the sword.
germans break everything they touch
first they become part of rome and drag that down
then they become catholic, and go nailing things to church doors
then they become fascist, and ruin the ideology for everyone ever
it's a never-ending parade of horror. How long until those madmen are stopped for good?
That's actually the traditional narrative that even Korean historians don't support anymore, considering the difficulties in constructing a dam that big and releasing it at just the right time to drown the bulk of the army.
A lot of the historical records don't mention any flooding tactic at all and the more accepted theory nowadays was that it was a more typical attack during a vulnerable river crossing when half had crossed (like the way Chinese military treatises often advised), which led to soldiers drowning during the general rout.
The 300,000 casualties figure is more likely a combination of actual casualties and deserters over the entire campaign, which was marred more by logistical difficulties than anything, than the number of deaths in a single battle.
Same thing applies for this battle between the Koreans and the Khitans, which sounds suspiciously similar to the traditional account of the Battle of Salsu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kuju
What seems to have happened was that one engagement during the Goryeo-Khitan wars which did use some sort of flooding tactic by breaking some dam or dikes, was retroactively was also applied to the narrative of the Battles of Salsu and Kuju.
The problems went deeper than that. America's army is meant to take on organized armies of other nations, not occupy territory and conquer hearts and minds. We learned some lessons and applied them in Afghanistan, but it still isn't enough.
No war is ever just the military side of things, though. I feel that that's a lesson America has forgotten since World War Two. You can own the nicest, heaviest, shiniest hammer in the world and you'll still struggle to use it to change a lightbulb.
Poor commanders at the top level, though as proven in battles the lower you go the better the quality of command and troop quality as evidenced by the high praises given by the Germans to some Italian divisions, equipment being top-quality but to difficult to mass-produce
Why are Crusaders so badass?
Hell, they got led by a 16 year old in the Battle of Montgisard and they still won.
I guess it really is true that if people unite under one will, they become stronger than the sum of their parts.
Korean sources exagerrating battle losses.
Also exagerrations by the Chinese themselves, since the following years saw the Li Yuan's revolt and the establishment of the T'ang Dynasty. The T'ang wanted to paint the dynasty it replaced (the Sui) as a massive fuckup.
[spoiler]The Sui Dynasty was a massive fuck up really[/spoiler]
>outnumbered 20 to 1
>caught in an ambush and surrounded
>forced to fight fast running Africans with spears while you have to reload after every shot
>still get a 1:1 kill ratio
Do you know why Ethiopia was the last remaining african country not colonized? Because they were actually somewhat strong. Nobody bothered to invest so much to take it but when Italy wanted to colonize it they aided Ethiopia.
Based Mussolini sending 150,000 men into a desert without bothering to supply them.
This ranks pretty high up on the Embarrassment scale. In fact the whole fucking Battle of the Alps does.
Thanks to Mussolini Peter II got a few hundred feral Slovenes to play army with.
The Old Book of Tang say:
>Yin Ziqi had besieged the city for a long time. The food in the city had run out. The dwellers traded their children to eat and cooked bodies of the dead. Fears were spread and worse situations were expected. At this time, Zhang Xun took his concubine out and killed her in front of his soldiers in order to feed them. He said, "You have been working hard at protecting this city for the country wholeheartedly. Your loyalty is uncompromised despite the long-lasting hunger. Since I can't cut out my own flesh to feed you, how can I keep this woman and just ignore the dangerous situation?" All the soldiers cried, and they did not want to eat. Zhang Xun ordered them to eat the flesh. Afterwards, they caught the women in the city. After the women were run out, they turned to old and young males. 20,000 to 30,000 people were eaten. People always remained loyal.