>>87747 That's two different questions you've just asked. You're asking (1) if Japan's conduct throughout the war was justifiable given the circumstances and (2) did their behavior merit the bombings. None of their outstanding behavior was justifiable during the war, it was a level of brutality not seen in the region since the mongols. That being said they deserved it in as much as it was the only way (given what we know) that could be forced to surrender without out a land invasion. But the suffering it inflicted upon the people of Tokyo, Nagasaki, and Hiroshima was utterly reprehensible, make no mistake.
>>87747 >Were the Japanese justified during WWII Nope
For one, they joined the League of Nations. Which told members NO MORE COLONIZING PEOPLE, OK. EVERYONE STICK WITH THE COLONIES THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE. Japan was late in the imperialism game and is superbutthurt due to this and started pulling the race cards going YOU'RE JUST AGAINST ME COZ IM ASIAN.
>>88051 That's the dumbest, most revisionist idea out there as to why the bombs were dropped. Do have any idea how many would have died on both sides if they had done that? Just look at the casualty rates in Okinawa, and that wasn't even the mainland.
Not claiming it was a factor in the decision, but what isn't very often discussed is how the Japanese taught the civilians as well as the soldiers that death was infinitely preferable to surrender, and the Americans would do to them what their own men were did the Chinese in Nanjing. They had classes on suicide bombing tanks for elementary kids at this point and were instructing parents to murder their children before allowing the Americans to get their hands on them.
>>88315 You underestimate how unpopular the bomb option was. It was at least as unpopular as a land invasion. Not to mention Japan was already willing to surrender, but it was also going to surrender to the Russians, and the US wanted a unconditional surrender solely to the US so it could dictate terms leading into the future. What forced the bombs was a strategic decision to cockblock Russia.
Were the Japanese justified in WWII: I'm sure if they won we'd think so. Personally I think not. But most wars aren't especially if you are the aggressor. They made some points about European colonialism in Asia, but the fact is they invaded China.
Did they deserve the bomb: Did civilians who had nothing to do with the war deserve to die? No. Is that how modern wars are fought, by targeting infrastructure and civilians? Yes. Should the apologize or be punished? No, that's war.
>>88353 Everything in this post is false. Nobody was fully aware of just how toxic and deadly radioactive fallout was at this time. The army's plan for invading Japan involved clearing a path through it's coastal defenses with a nuclear bombardment, sending troops in immediately thereafter, having them occupy territory glowing with fallout. This lack of awareness was present long after the war ended, with atomic testing involving soldiers observing from beyond the blast zone, but within the area exposed to fallout. Most of the intelligence on the effects of radiation on the human body came from studies on the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki themselves.
Japan was still unwilling to surrender by this time, having drawn up plans to stall both US and Soviet invasions in an absolute bloody quagmire involving every single man, woman, and child in the areas under attack. The idea was to cause enough casualties on the invaders that they would eventually give up and agree to a cease fire instead of unconditional surrender, keeping the Emperor as the head of state. These were the most hardline fascists in the state at the time, and there was some very interesting debating that went on within their number after the bombs fell, concluding with several mass assassinations to ensure surrender happened on their terms. But all of this is beside the point, as we have no evidence the US intelligence had any idea what they were thinking at the time.
The thing is, people forget that we were already firebombing Tokyo and there's even a theory out there that the Japanese were already pretty much ready to surrender giving more credence to the idea that we just wanted to show off the bomb, but I havent really looked into it more.
Of course, firebombing in general isn't much better than airbusting a nuke over a city since both methods don't distinguish between civilian and military targets, but given what the Japanese did to the Chinese and Koreans, the (militarily) unprovoked outset of the war, and the brutality of the Japanese soldiers towards POWs, I don't blame Truman considering how hellish a ground war in Japan would have been.
>>88464 >They made some points about European colonialism in Asia
Not really, considering that once they took over the ended up killing millions of Indonesians, Burmese, Vietnamese, Filipinos, etc. They also instituted much more brutal labor systems and attempted to eliminate local cultures by forcing the natives to learn Japanese.
All their talk of a "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" was just rhetoric. They just wanted to be the ones controlling the labor and resources of the region instead of the European powers.
>>88072 The dumbfuck japs worshipped their leader like a God, they would not surrender. The bombs has to be dropped, you think that the Japanese would ever just put down their weapons and say "yea fuck our ruler who we think is a god"? No. We had to bomb the fuck out of them to make them wake up.
Let's not get all muh 6 trillion. Also, there's a monument to the Japanese military in Indonesia you can go to today.
Japanese did teach Japanese in Hong Kong, Guam, and other places were the administrative language was English or French, to be the new Lingua Franca. Why would the new language be various European languages? It's not like the "local culture" was European, even though it was imposed on them.
All I said was they made some points, and what you are chastising the Japanese for is exactly what the Europeans did. I'm not condoning the Japanese, but I'm also not holding them to double standards.
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