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I'm a newfag learning to draw and every tutorial/class i've seen online recommends to use pen/pencil and paper to start. Now I have a good old wacom tablet and I don't understand the benefit of wasting time on a medium that I'm never going to use - paper.

One of the reasons presented was the ease on which I'd be tempted to erase/delete mistakes digitally, but that assumes I am going to cheat on my learning process...and if so I'd as easily erase my shit drawings on paper as well so it seems an invalid point. Another laughable one I read this week on a reddit learning sub was about wacom tablets having issues with drivers etc. So to me that is just saying that you recommend paper because you can't computer properly...so another invalid reason.

Learning tablet-hand-eye coordination seems to be a skill on itself, so why not learn directly on the medium I'm probably going to use for life instead of wasting time on traditional? Unless you are a cintiqfag, a tablet is actually harder to use than paper because you are basically blind-drawing. I have no intention of pursuing traditional arts, my goal is digital concept art and cheat as much as I can with 3D and photobashing btw, so any considerations about becoming a "master" don't concern me, I just want to learn to draw to express rough ideas, so why is paper and pen/pencil so important?

What does anon think?
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Seems like you are mostly looking for people to agree with you, judging by your whole post

>wasting time on a medium that I'm never going to use - paper.

You are never wasting time on it. The skills and understanding directly translates to digital and vice versa.

Now as I see it, your whole attitude to learning is wrong, and your art will most likely suffer as a result, so really, any choice you make is going to be a shit one. I'm basing this on the fact that you are saying you will "cheat" as much as possible.

Now onto the choice itself. The reason why most people probably recommend traditional mediums is because it's easy to just pick up a pen and paper and draw. It's cheap and easy, you don't need to rely on a computer, and you can directly see what you are creating. In the end, if you have the determination it doesn't really matter which medium you start out with as long as you have the right mindset.

Also it's easy to just sketch out a quick idea on a paper instead of connecting your tablet to a computer and starting up photoshop and whatever.


In the end, you do you. But get rid of your shitty attitude.
If I am being baited, sorry.
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>>2762996
OP here. I will not cheat my learning, but I will definitely cheat anyway I can to get the job jone. Because as I stated my goal is to become proficient only at expressing rough concepts from imagination to use any shortcut possible after to finish make and make a good image.

>Also it's easy to just sketch out a quick idea on a paper instead of connecting your tablet to a computer and starting up photoshop and whatever.

See, this is the kind of argument pro-traditional mediums that I was talking about. It takes me about 3 seconds to both plug the tablet and click on the PS icon, about the same as putting the sketchbook on the table and opening it to draw. Its something that has nothing to do with actual learning but I keep seeing repeated over and over.

And no, I'm not looking for people to agree, just some reasonable argument related to paper's actual advantage in developing the observation and motor skills that are part of learning to draw, not logistics of pluging a tablet or dealing with PC drivers...
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>wasting time on a medium

I'm not one to tell someone that they should give up before they start, but with that attitude you almost deserve it.

The fundamentals of visual are identical whether its a cave painting, a chalkboard, an oil painting, a drawing on paper, or digital.

In fact, people who limit themselves to one medium, especially with a shit crutch like ctrl-z'ing the day away are always worse than a real artist.

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post your pepes
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>>2751523

i don't know which one of you faggots made this, but i liked it well enough to save it
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Is that an illastrat pepe? Dear God. What have you done?
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Draw my oc now. Email is shelledocean117@aol.com contact me
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can you draw and render my asshole?
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>>2763513
would that be appropriate lmao

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Anyone know where I can print some of my NSFW art poster size?
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>putting porn on your walls
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Office Max ;D
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>>2755054
>>2755081
Any serious answers?

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Yes or no?
Does paywalling your shit increases your earnings or drops it?
Curious how this works
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>>2765017
What do you think?
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only paywall PSDs and detailed tutorials. make max res a $1 tier because that shit will be posted everywhere online anyway. worst mistake you can make is not letting people know what to expect or who the fuck you are.
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It depends how popular you are. Seeing patreon logos and shit plastered everywhere can be a huge turnoff when you are just some mediocre artist.

Can you visualize and hold a picture in your mind's eye for at least 10 seconds?
For example if i say "apple", can you see it? Can you hold the picture of ir? Can you walk around it?
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>>2764292
yes, because I trained my memory
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>>2764295

Memory has nothing to do with visualization itself but with recalling.

If you have good (normal working short and long-term) memory and good visualization, then you can recall picture from memory. But if you don't have visualization part, you only have abstract info about subject but you can see it in mind.

For example, you know very good how square, triangle or circle look, you know their specifics. But if you close your eyes, you still might not see it. You can clearly describe it but not see...
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Buddhist monks who have trouble accepting the concept of Maya - the world being an illusion - are given the task of mastering the discipline of creating a tulpa - an imaginary object, often a simple cup.
The goal is to master the discipline to such an extent that the monk can manifest the imaginary object in his mind to such a degree that it is indistinguishable from reality - he can see it with perfect clarity, he can touch it, smell it, feel its weight. He can hold the cup as it was a real object.

Once the task is accomplished, the monk realizes the reality he is...
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> tfw you were commissioned to storyboard a full episode of a cartoon show for a cartoon pitch while working a 9-5 day job

I've been working on it for over 4 months. I've done a little bit of storyboard work before but not for an entire episode. I didn't realize how work heavy this was a feel like killing myself. This is destroying my social life and any other job opportunities.

What can I do to make this easier?
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>>2765569
hire someone to help, pay them half of what you'll get paid.

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I have seen a transition for a new era. Back then in the late 80s and early 90s we did have a particular strong view of what a dystopia society would look like (bladerunner-esk). But if we would take our reality right now and toss it to a near future with the same characteristics, the visuals would be vastly different. Tablet shaped computers, drones, multi-cultural influences, complex social justice questions. Etc. I think it would look not only amazing but... strangely different? Corporation's and government are not more the big baddies and a near complete existentialism...
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>bladerunner-esk

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post text ideas or you can pop open paint and use comic sans to contribute achievements + paper mario sprites in next post
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no that's autistic as hell

show us your art, let's see if you can convince us that it's a "viable career path" for you anon
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>my closet is a toilet
>be a shitposting faggot

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Post any questions that don't need their own thread.
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How do perspective in my sketchbook when the vanshing points are off the page?
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>>2756906
Tape more paper on. Or just mark the lines with a ruler and go from there.
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why are people so fucked on trying to "make it"

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Can someone PLEASE make this drawing I did a meme on /ic/ like that space marine guy


Thanks! :^)
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>>2765257
Meme hood is earned, not requested. Not gonna make it
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>>2765257
Only I'm allowed to approve memes on this board.

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hey ic, pleb here. which loomis book is best for a moderate beginner? is 'fun with a pencil' his best one?
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>>2763967
>He doesn't know about the new secret never before released until now Loomis.
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fun with a pencil is good for an introduction to simple construction and forms. it's meant to break symbol drawing habits. it's literally made for beginners. If you do the exercises and don't be one of the idiots who literally just copies bloke faces straight out of the book you should do fine with that.

drawing the head & hands and figure drawing for all its worth have a bit more bite to them.
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>>2763977
Could I start with the figure drawing/faces one, or would it really best to begin with fun with a pencil? Don't mind if they're a bit "harder"

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watsonmermaids.com
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>>2763804
No nigger mermaid. That's racist !
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>>2763808
Niggers can't swim
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>>2765215
But fish can

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Why do people say that Loomis is a meme?

Do his teachings have no value? I don't understand the angst.
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His teachings are too vague so beginners don't understand their value.
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>>2758056
He's a meme in the same way Starting Strength is a meme on /fit/. It's actually a decent starting point for many beginners, but it gets recommended so often that it sort of has lost its meaning, or people will recommend it as a blanket answer to everything even when it's not applicable. Like when someone asks a question rather than answer properly they will just point to Loomis.
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>>2758056

1. Loomis isn't applicable for total beginners. His "Fun with Pencil" is awful book, badly written (it was his first) and with too vague exercises, leaving students with bad aftertaste. Unfortunetaly it's the first book recommended in the sticky.

2. His other books have universal principles, but are too wordy. Stuff on body proportions etc. is good, but as a reference. Most of the stuff he teaches in "Figure drawing" or "Heads and Hands" were covered nowadays by other people in much straightforward manner. See Proko for example, he can explain in 5 minutes head construction that you won't get after reading "Fun with Pencil" for 1 h.

3. While he gives good advice and has skill, he makes mistakes in his books. See famous "ball with 1 pointed lightsource" drawing in his "Figure(...)", you know, the one on which people always show core shadow etc.

It's just shit and very wrong.

4. Finally - he teaches very technical approach to drawing which simply is not good for beginners.

Beginners need to learn very, very basics: drawing from observation, having clean and accurate lines and keeping proportions together. That's why atelier/classical lessons like sight-size method are more suitable for them. People should start with "Keys to Drawing" by Dodson or other books like that.

Also for painters and other artists Loomis might at one hand be simply not enough (anatomy, planes and rhytms of the head: see Reilly's method), and on the other it might not teach enough about gesture and such stuff that you can get from, say, Vilppu or Bridgman.

Overall I'd mostly only use Loomis for reference for figure proportions.

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What have you been working on in the last few hours /ic?

>Post work
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can't post client work mate

but yeah unfortunaly I've been drawing a lot and I'm getting exhausted with the workload (I always get a lot of work in december because of people wanting xmas gifts at the last minute)
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>>2765137
ah fuck it man. just post client work. what's the worst that could happen?
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>>2765145
He's out 400 dollars and can't get work ever again.

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>ff6 final kefka music ensues
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbXVNKtmWnc

THREAD MUSIC

/IC/ DRAW THE FINAL BOSS
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>>2765127

/ic/,,,,,
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>>2765136

if /ic/ is dead

then god is dead

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Post artists you'd like to know "how the fuck do you (medium here) like that"

how the fuck do i paint like simon stalenhag. his colours are fucking increadible
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more stalenhag goodness
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>copy and paste
>photo bash
>color balancing

a true modern day artist.
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>paint normally
>add cool photo filter

I downloaded this picture and for some reason my digital art is really good now. How did that happen?
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The camera captured his talent as a result of the light reflecting off of his atoms and back into the memory. By seeing the image, it transfers the power into you.
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that jpg instills the importance of hardcore fundamentals and valium-etric knowledge
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If you want to get even better you should print his picture, frame it, and place it in every room of your house

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What projects has /ic/ been a part of?
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Never been a part of one before but I'm helping do concept art for a time travel loli game at 8 chan dot net's /loli/ board inspired by UAB that deals with the 50s and the retrofuture. Here is a concept by the creator himself (Remuslupinart) but here I guess I can post the clothes we will be using for 50s levels.

We hope we can get more concept artists to help since he takes a long time (a perfectionist) so feel free to join the art pool?
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>>2762935

some ref pics
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>>2762938

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Bait thread.
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>>2764941
i have that phone
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I want to fuck that statue.

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What's your goal? Pic related is the quality I wanted to achieve, then I'll be a happy man.
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Earn more than 1k a month so I can fucking eat ffs
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>>2764870
Be able to paint whatever I have in mind.

I don't have an end goal per say, because there's always something you can improve. I just want to reach a point where the mistakes are small and don't hurt the idea I want to portray anymore.

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First time really trying to draw an anime type girl, how'd it turn out?
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>>2764637
Dec. Eyes should be slightly lower and larger, head should get wider towards the top
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It is bad.

Based on my standard, you should make the face longer. And the eyes need to bw higher like 1/3 of the face. Take a reference of real anatomy, from that widen the eye about x1.2 time the real one you would get a better anime eye. Pupils should be self centered, also the whole face should get more symmetric. Light reflection should be a bit more lively, you could check pixiv or pinterest how to draw an eye.

The only good thing here is the ponytail.

Good luck trying next time.
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>>2764638
>>2764650
Thanks for the feedback!

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daily reminder that clip art is the cancer of art everywhere and people who make it should be gassed
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>>2764616

Are you unironically posting this from the early 2000's?
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>>2764616
God this is shit.
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>>2764620
most likely leftover resentment from flipping through the books in school in place of actual computer/application skills

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Hey guys,
I'm a really big fan of Bob Ross's style and lately I've been practicing. What do you think? I'm kind of proud of this one.
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It's garbage. The composition is pretty good though.
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>>2764415
Hey! Thanks for the feedback. What do you think I can improve on?
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What would one need to know to create custom brushes for photoshop/gimp that would replicate the brushes Bob uses in his show?

What is the wisest advice you got from /ic/anon?
I saved this one 2 years ago:

>As long as you focus on being better at art today than you were yesterday, then you'll be just fine. Starting earlier or later doesn't change the fact that it will take you a few years to get really gud. Let's say 5 as a ballpark figure.

>The next 5 years will pass no matter what. At on this day, five years from now, you could either be working on paintings and making money from your work, or you could be thinking...
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>>2764055
>Read the sticky
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>>2764055
Kinda obvious advice but still nice, most of /ic/ doesn't seem to get it.

Mine would be this classic: never compare yourself to others, focus on getting better yourself, focus on yourself.
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>>2764055
But muh brain plasticity! 27 is way too late

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https://www.artstation.com/artwork?sorting=popular2016

Did you make it /ic/, if you scroll about 3 pages down one of my pieces is there?

Even Nadar made it to the first page, so what is your excuse /ic/?
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you think making an account on artstation means you made it?

lol
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>>2763253

No, this is a sorting by most popular on artstation. If you are in the top 100 on this you are popular.
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>>2763258
Being popular means nothing, you shallow fucking piece of shit.

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Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

AVOID asking unrelated questions, there is a question thread for that.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead (I recommend ShareX)

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send...
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I don't belong here, but i was lurking here and i see talent in most of the artist you post here (i don't draw or anything, but ain't blind) and i take some ideas for tattoos to my body, but i wanna see your taste.

Post the best Tattoo you ever seen, or a piece of art that would look good in a tattoo.
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i kind of like some of this persons work and their style https://www.instagram.com/sarafabel/?hl=en
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If you've been lurking, you need to lurk more. Tattoos are cancer and hardly an artform with how limited they are. It's like the stupid graffiti threads.
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>>2763672
nice to know that there is apparently an objective standard for what art is :D

with Christmas right around the corner and a recently deceased tablet, I think I'm ready to spend some cash on new equipment

I want to be able to draw from live and not be bound to one place, so I thought about getting an IpadPro as a portable workstation and maybe a wacom to use at home

the thing is, for this kind of money I could also get a cintiq, which let's me work at any place that has electricity nearby

so guys, what do you think? any experience with the IpadPro or the cintiq? is it worth spending so much money just to doodle everywhere? Or should I just go fuck myself?
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We all already know that you are going to buy the ipad and then ruin it with porn malware.

Make the right choice and buy dry pigment, linseed oil and papyrus. Only then will you be an artiste
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>>2764529
>buy dry pigment, linseed oil and papyrus
Wow dude, don't tell someone to waste their money on useless technology like that. Oil won't make you good at art. OP should get a rock and a chisel.
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>>2764469
>the thing is, for this kind of money I could also get a cintiq, which let's me work at any place that has electricity nearby
You know you need a computer to attach the cintiq to, right?

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Marvel actually published this art, what the flying fuck is your excuse for not drawing for them?
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Because 'being good' isn't good enough to get into the Big Two. You have to have relationships and connections built with people who can recommend and vouch for you, and already be published (as proof that you can in fact draw 20-22pgs a month)

Also Marvel are very accommodating towards non-house styles these days, especially editors like Nick Lowe.who specifically helms the non-capes books like Howard the Duck and The Vision

Stop looking for excuses and get drawing
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>>2761979
why do you want to work for Marvel, it's fucking terrible
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>>2761979
Holy shit, this is autistic


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