My buddy's birthday is coming up and him and I are on an amateur Dota team so I thought I would get some art work to put on a t shirt. I seem to be having an unusually hard time finding someone to commission that isn't chibi bullshit.
Mobile email: Donovansphone@Gmail.com
Description: 2 frame comic.
1st frame Treant Protector holding a Phantom lancer kitten
2nd frame Full grown phantom lancer holding a radiance in one hand and a diffusal in the other.
Just a white comic backround, preferably a little "cartoony", full colour.
Reference image 1
Reference image 4
Diffusal blade (I understand the full blade isn't shown in this image so that's up to the artist's discretion)
Come back in a few days, this board is very slow.
Also, 80 $ per image or for both of them? It would be the minimum for one image, in my opinion, but most would demand more, especially if they're good. Maybe try some freelance website?
I can send you a mail with my portfolio, although I bet you could find better artists.
No I don't want it even close to the quality of the OP image. I was looking for a more cartoony look like this image
Right now I'm in the middle of a commission but depending on what exactly you need me to do, the amount of detail you want and the timeframe, I can have a go at it.
You can see my commission info here: carlosabdu.tumblr.com/commissions
oh and this. Most recent work
Yeah. I wanted to go for some weird art nuveou style lettering, but I couldn't keep it symmetrical without compressing the letters too much and I was afraid people wouldn't be able to see the letters from afar.
Not him, but why do amateurs like you believe you have to paint like Ruanjia in order to get commissions? Way worse art gets commissioned on a regular basis. Though don't get your hopes up, you are probably still too shitty to make money with your art.
I havent got any recent comic work, not since I was 15, are you okay with just doodles as examples? I wouldnt mind working on a project I am forced to do, rather than waiting to be inspired.
Do you tell everyone they're shit without even seeing their work because it makes you feel better about yourself? Show us your brilliant art then, if you're not an amateur.
I'm definitely better than that guy, but I don't do crappy porn and fan art in my free time, so I guess that's the reason no one commissions me.
So, seriously, how do people like that get popular?
Seeing as the human race is worthless to begin with, and such degrading spawn like you being great examples of homo sapien intelligence, it's very easy to paid for my art. It's even easier when you draw something that's trending.
But sometimes I keep fucking up and I keep getting customers who just like the way I draw, no matter what it is.
Man, why I didn't listen to my friends and just went after dat furry money?!!
But let's pretend for one second that you're not some obvious shit head trying to b8 and actually want to critique me: What is your beef?
And on the real, did OP ever hired anyone or what?
Hey OP, I could do this for you. I sent you an email.
Pic related, it's some random commission I did some months ago.
Dude, it's that an alien from Sigma Star Saga?
I like the organic texture and the design, though some parts are blending too much. Maybe a bit more lighting or harsher shadow for contrast.
Do you have a gallery?
>I'm definitely better than that guy, but I don't do crappy porn and fan art in my free time, so I guess that's the reason no one commissions me.
No one commissions you because you're not good. "I'd be famous if I just did porn/furry/anime/fan-art" is a scrub's excuse.
You can get commissions if you aren't terrible, period.
>Dude, it's that an alien from Sigma Star Saga?
Nah, it's a concept for someone who is publishing a scifi book.
>I like the organic texture and the design, though some parts are blending too much. Maybe a bit more lighting or harsher shadow for contrast.
Heh, funny thing. I usually add high contrast to the point where it is overdone. Thanks for the critique though, I appreciate it.
>Do you have a gallery?
Sure. My dA is PoisonCourtesan.
Yep. B8 confirmed. planet is doomed. moving on.
Yeah, I dunno if you're supposed to be defending me or what, but cut it out. Your argument is pointless.
Do I seriously have to tell you niggas how art is subjective and it is ultimately you that determines the worth of your work? And that commissions is ultimately just a product of what is convenient, not what is good? Because if you were any good enough to bash someone else's work, why the fuck are you bumming on commissions or talking shit on 4chan. Get to work!!
I seen fucking cats that will make you niggas spin with their godlike skill, and they have to make chump change just to get known or eat. Meanwhile, some animu girl who is still a college freshman is getting lots of commissions because she can draw Homestuck or something.
Ultimately, commissions are a product to sell. Whether you are CHAMBA or Chris-Chan is meaningless if none of your artwork has anything appealing to anyone. Are you trying to sell your thesis series of illustrations? Good luck then. Maybe it has a high fantasy concept? Then you'll get a few buyers. Does it have Game of Thrones? DING, DING, You have an audience.
Online commissioning is ultimately a choice between making GOAT quality artwork for a few people or making casual stuff for more people. So unless you have terrible motor skills or people skills, ANYONE CAN SELL THEIR ARTWORK ONLINE....whether they buy it or not is another issue.
Me. I have no intention of being Loomis or Alex Ross, but that doesn't mean I don't wanna improve. I just have a bad habit of doing too many team shots and adding too many details so I'm working on that. I have never been good learning what customers like or how to market. So no, I don't make as much as say Ben Bates, Vaporotem or even that nigga Diaz. But I'll be damned if I haven't earned my place where I can make work and sell it as prints at cons to make some money. I'm not on dA bumming my art for points or doing free porn for 4chan faggots, I'm too busy trying to make that starving artist money. And every commission I get is just an excuse to practice new shit and git gud...with money.
To be honest, I'm starting to prefer drawing with traditional tools rather than digital cuz it's easier and less taxing than photoshoping. I learned from experience that you get commissions more often from meeting people than getting requests online. Maybe it's the deals you are offering, the convenience of sharing the same country or just the way you negotiate with clients, people are far more willing to pay whatever necessary for your art work IF that is what you can provide.
You should always price yourself according your skill level and the time you put into the work, not by anyone else's standards. Don't go too high or too low. I'm not pretending I'm Cheeks or AWD or anyone as good, but like one of the dipshits mentioned, there are WORSE artist than me getting tons of commissions online and that's because they look at what's popular and sell that. OR there are BETTER artists who really talented but do shit for peanuts because they listen to other faggots.
So instead of just bitching about why I'm getting paper and you're not, how bout you hush yo mouth, make some business cards and go out there and sell yourself? Network, advertise, put yourself out there.
Fuck all this art critique, somebody help OP already. I'll just do what Kas did and wish him good luck.
Putting that much emphasis on the subject matter is just as dangerous a comfort zone as "muh style". There are guys out there thinking that the only reason they aren't successful is because they don't draw fan-art(for example). They think that if did draw it they'd become art gods because it's so "easy".
In their minds, they're not recognized simply because they wont lower their standards. That's just a victimhood bubble to shield themselves from accepting that they're just not good.
Tumblr, FB, twitter, DA etc all exist. All the networking is basically already done for you and any decent artist with internet access has no excuse for getting no work.
And before the inevitable "But money and popularity don't mean anything!" argument, just fuck off. He made that shit excuse for getting no work so it obviously means something to him. I don't think popular=good, but I'll call out that arrogant bullshit when I see it.
So you're saying there is no correlation between making fan art/porn all the time and the number of commissions you get?
Please tell me who makes any money from commissions and doesn't do porn and fan art, I'm really curious.
>So you're saying there is no correlation between making fan art/porn all the time and the number of commissions you get?
I'm saying there's no excuse for getting zero commissions, except having no internet, just being shit, or being lazy beyond redemption. Hiding behind "muh standards" is just a really small hugbox that kills improvement, like "muh style".
You can draw only deep space landscapes everyday and still get bitch jobs doing album covers.
Different anon, but I'd like to hear your thoughts against tiered commission rates. I'm just now confident enough to put myself out there for commissions, but cringe at the thought of putting together a cheesy "commission price menu".
It feels kind of...I dunno, childish or trashy to me. But at the same time, I wonder if I would do better with one because people (potential clients) are so accustomed to seeing one, or because some are really dense enough to need that menu to point to and say, "Uh, yeah...gimme a number 3 combo, with a background."
> childish or trashy
There you go. Also, they are almost always made by artists who undervalue their work. You become a cheap artist, and that's something that sucks to be. If you're serious, then take on serious work.
> I wonder if I would do better with one because people (potential clients) are so accustomed to seeing one, or because some are really dense enough to need that menu to point to and say, "Uh, yeah...gimme a number 3 combo, with a background."
This is because there are usually two types of commissions that you'll do - personal & commercial. This sort of 'menu' styled, fixed tiered pricing attracts people who want some custom fan art or something, and aren't willing to pay a lot for respectable work. You'll attract low-quality clients, and you'll gain no credentials to your name. These commissions suck.
The other type of commissions - commercial - are much more quality clients. I'm not talking about some small ass gaming firm, I'm talking about doing work for developed, thriving franchises. These are the clients you'll want, and the ones you need to advance your career. Respectable, worth while franchises DO NO hire clients based on a shitty Tumblr pricing chart. They contact you with an offer already or asked you for a tailored quote considering the infinitely varied circumstances of commissioning an illustration. With everyone you land, you get another name to add on your website of 'Businesses I've Worked With', and your work becomes more and more valuable.
Commercial commissions pay on average $500.00 - $900.00 USD per illustration, compared to the chump change these small menu-style commission charts tend charge. Would you rather make $700 on a single commission that further advances your career & credentials, or have to somehow manage to get fourteen, $50 personal illustrations?
The next question I'm sure is how to attract larger, more significant clients, but that's a completely different discussion.
Shit, on top of doing more Loomis, You need to get outside from time to time between commisions.
Maybe no one want's to commission you guys since if someone offers one they get a thread full of people fighting each other?
Seriously tho, let's not forget that there is a guy here trying to give a anon here money for some work.
If you want to discuss commissions there is a thread for that.
>Maybe no one want's to commission you guys since if someone offers one they get a thread full of people fighting each other?
/ic/ is not a marketplace. This is an awful place to get commissioned work. All people do here is bicker and critique, and that's the way it should be.
Besides, people who come here to try and commission work always offer bullshit money in return. Fuck this guy.
I can draw so I thought I'd make some extra cash doing commissions purely as a side thing, since I'm in school for something other than art.
Tbh, I was aiming towards doing personal commissions because they're not so "serious" and I have a bit more room to fuck up.
Though ideally I think the type of work I'd like to someday do is illustrations for video games, like League type art. I'm not nearly so proficient with my skills to do that, but I'm also not studying art, so...
I decided to "settle" for those $50 personal commissions, but now because of what you said I'm starting to think otherwise.
Should I bother with commercial commissions if I'm just doing art as a "side thing?"
>Should I bother with commercial commissions if I'm just doing art as a "side thing?"
If you're doing smaller commissions as a side thing, then there's nothing necessarily wrong with that. If it works for you, keep doing it. But in general, no. Trying to work with commercial commissions - especially starting out - is a full time ordeal, and needs proper attention given to it as if it were your primary job.
There's plenty of people on /ic/ who I think could be working full time, but they are failing to make two realizations -
1. Concept art is not a good field to go into for freelance illustration. It's unbelievably over saturated with artists who want to be just like their heroes, and there really aren't that many jobs to go around. People are obsessed these days with drawing Feng-Zhu tier, distant landscapes, which won't bring you a consistent freelance career. Chasing a general illustration career is a much more realistic goal. This involves focusing on a style/aesthetic/technique that defines your personal brand as an artist.
2. Marketing/promoting yourself is just as important as practicing your craft. I honestly find it much easier to have jobs come to you than to have to go look for jobs. This involves growing a fanbase, which takes time, dedication and skill - a skill that can be practiced and mastered just like the fundamentals of drawing can be practiced and mastered.
If you're looking to start taking a career in commissioned illustration, please keep these two things in mind - especially the marketing stuff. It's the difference between being a lost face in the crowd and being the guy who the next potential art director stumbles upon and gives a job to.
Thanks for the info. Again, art is not my primary career focus, but I do have art skills and I would like to make some money on the side off of them and not have to work at McDonald's.
If I'm just gonna do personal commissions I must first need a following. I know a great way to do this is by drawing fan art. But then I have one more question: can I earn money by drawing copyrighted characters and not get in trouble? I see people do it all the time, but I personally don't want to be sued for drawing someone's OC and a Disney character and getting paid $200 for it. Also since I'm not focusing on being an artist and don't really care about my reputation, I'm ok with just drawing fan art all the time and I'd actually rather not have to rely with original characters I've come up with to gain any sort of following. Basically, I'd be comfortable if that's all I do art-wise AND get paid for it.
It sounds kind of wrong, but I see so many people doing it.
Just to add an example, basically like the stuff purplekecleon on dA does. Everything she does basically revolves around Pokemon, and she takes 15-45$ dollars for pins with any Pokemon of your choice on them. Sounds like the sort of thing that might get you in legal trouble, but she and other dA artists like that are really popular and don't seem to get into trouble.
In terms of the legality of drawing copyrighted characters from major franchises and profiting on it - then yes. It's technically illegal. The parent companies could make a case for copyright infringement and sue you.
The thing is - they probably won't. If you're drawing things for personal illustrations, you'll be fine. So many people do it, and the worse you'll get is a cease & desist, in which case you should just avoid drawing that particular IP's characters. But since so many people do it, and it's on a small, personal basis, no one's going to find out.
If a more established firm is hiring you to draw copyrighted characters that obviously don't belong to them, you should decline.
well I found a possible connection - Guy's name is Don. he's on tumblr, instagram and I think facebook, but it's for some older dude with a family. It could be OP took this guy's e-mail address and used it for his contact.
Whatever. If he tries to use the picture I gave him, then his brother's in for a surprise.
Don't think I forgot about you >>1846607
you uppity nigga.
I typed out a big explanation on why your so called "advice" is very narrow minded and conceited, but I'll post it when I have the fucking time.