I recommend Kakukaku Shikajika to everyone struggling with finding motivation for drawing. It's a short nonfiction manga about how Akiko Hayashi (pic related) became a successful mangaka.
>tfw you will never meet a mentor like Kenzou
calm down you retard. i'm just saying: for all the time she got drilled in life drawing, she hasn't got too much skill to show for it.
honestly, her teacher probably wasn't a very efficient teacher. he sounded like the type that just goes
>do it like i do! see?
and before you misunderstand, i'm not shitting on life drawing either.
i saved some pages as well, OP
that being said, no need to hype this. it's not that amazing. but it's kind of a biography, which is rare for manga
Oh so she was also the creator of Kuragehime, right? I loved that show.
I can relate to a lot of things. Her situation reminded me of how Richard Williams desperately wanted to be an animator when he was young but his teacher kept telling him to do life drawing and his interest in animation vanished for years.
Bakuman is a fantasy, it's about teen heroes who become manga superstars in high school. The problems these guys face couldn’t be more detached from reality, I guess it's more slice-of-life with superficial conflicts which are resolved in the most cop-out way imaginable.
I'm perfectly calm you shithead. Just raising a perfectly legit question. Why would a mangaka care about painting as a primary focus? Her skillsets need to be draughtsmanship and inking.
Why doesn't she just tell him?
your question doesn't have anything to do with what i said though.
i said, just as an observation, that her painting skills are pretty bad despite spending so much time on it.
i'm talking about the improvement part, not wether she needs it or not.
she didn't want to disappoint this enegertic old man.
no anon, fantasy is a genre. you're using the word wrong in this context.
Reminds me of my teacher at an art club in elementary school. She was a really kind and encouraging old woman, but she gave solid advice and criticism. it's probably because of her that I continued doing art. I often wonder what's she's up to now, since I no longer live in the town I grew up in. I hope she isn't dead yet.
10/10 cried like a bitch. Thank you OP, i really needed something like this.
I havent cried this hard...
sensei.. I'll work harder and just draw!
Excerpt from this 34 chapter waste of time; just draw.
Alright, here you go.
The true /ic/ the manga
Read it a few month's ago and it's really good. It has dark moments but generally avoids the 'woe is me' autobio problem since she's pretty honest with acknowledging her own fuckups.
>/ic/ the manga
>is not about whipping beginners with fundamentals
shit manga m8
Thanks for this anon.
>tfw I also just started working a call center full time
>tfw I'm learning to oil paint
>tfw I plan on making a short comic in the next few months
This was some needed inspiration.
I'm reading it. I'm at chapter 10 or so and I have to say that I hate this bitch.
I mean, slacking completely at high school, with luck she got the high score at the test. Putting little to no effort she got at college. Even slacking at college, in a few days she got a "good job" for her oil work.
I learned with this manga, even if I must finish it, a few things.
>Only who is blessed with luck win
>Lack of effort is paid with talent
>You don't need to work hard always, only the last day
>To be a successful mangaka you should treat like shit your mentor
>Tits and pussy beats effort
>Guessing questions is statistically inefficient. But the 2% quantile can do it.
>When you won, write a manga about how you win with little effort, so others stop putting effort and just go to the Himalayas and be a hermit.
I FUCKING HATE THIS BITCH WITH MY BURNING SOUL!
But I will keep reading the manga, it's a question of honor to finish what I begun.
Yes, the worse is that, even I, who begun drawing 5 days ago know that.
Man, I'm learning to draw for fun. I'm successful in my career. And I had put a lot of effort to be it. Like I'm actually making the effort in learning the basics of drawing. But I love more physics than drawing, that's why I'm learning only now.
But she makes money and is successful from her work with no effort. And you niggers praising her as if she were an inspirational deity.
Personally, I wouldn't let my son to be near a person like she.
>But she makes money and is successful from her work with no effort
>draws and paints 9 hours a day at her sensei's place for many years
>then only has a few hours a night between day job and teaching to do her manga
>had to do ~70 pages a month with no assistants
>that one time had to do an extra 100 pages in a month
>continues to draw a shitton for 15 or whatever years
>didn't even stop when she had an infant child screaming and shitting himself 24/7 for several years
>only got her breakthrough success after 10 years of work
Well, as I said I have read only 10 chapters or so. For sure I rushed judging the mangaka.
But before she going to college didn't passed years, passed few months. And the theoretical test was a lucky strike. You can't deny that. That don't happen to any person. It's a big lucky strike she got to college.
Then when she gave the second test, she passed only because that guy told her the secret. She had a big luck.
And after college (and until the point I have read) she didn't any effort. That's for sure.
It's worth of praising that you can write without knowing to read.
What's going on in this thread? Why are you cunts not minding your own business? Why are you gossiping about some weeb that draws mango? Why are you not studying faggots?
I have a suspicion the dowsing technique for the test was a joke, but even if it wasn't, yeah, life's like that, luck is important.
>Then when she gave the second test, she passed only because that guy told her the secret
the rest of the applicants learned it too, but they all failed inclusing the guy who already drew the statue before. Entrance exams are a sham anyway, she even writes that you have to study a couple of busts and if you didin't practice them, you're fucked, what kind of skill evaluation is that? And if I understood it correctly, japs still have to pay tuition expenses even after getting into public/government sponsored colleges, that's fucking dumb. I half-hoped she'd fail and self-study like her sensei.
Also she got the blues in college, that's kind of the point and the start of her feeling exceedingly guilty about not liking painting as much as she thinks she should.
Read it, it's pretty good and touching (don't know about motivational though, life's too random for straightworward connection between hard work and success).
This...this reminds me of the first time I came to /ic/...
/ic/...the Gordon Ramsey of the art world putting two pieces of bread on either side of my head and calling me an idiot sandwich when I first posted my art and thought I was top shit. Thank you, sensei /ic/
>I FUCKING HATE THIS BITCH WITH MY BURNING SOUL!
Thats the point of the fucking manga, author keeps mentioning trough that if she had time machine she'd go back in time and punch herself for being a little cunt.
Whole point of it is that she regrets things she's done and giving tribute to her teacher. Gotta admit it almost made me cry, I can only imagine how it felt for her to pour all of her dirty laundry onto the paper, and I give her mad props for that.
We are all shitty humans in the end.
her drawing talent isn't even all that great.
and what makes you think she did everything without effort? she was drawing since she was little and even took lessons until college. that's the base that she is working with.
i really don't understand your thought process
>I half-hoped she'd fail and self-study like her sensei.
her sensei was taught by some local master iirc
you need to read more manga
>I give her mad props for that
this manga won this years taisho award. at the beginning i thought there were better choices, but if i really think about it it was probably justified.
i just don't like the fact that an autobiography won the award.
>not finding a hardworking Asian inspiring to you, a lazy spoiled white man
It's weird how people keep acting like she was a slacker when merely attending her grade school would have given every single person here PTSD.
>to be fair the demographic of this board is primarily young girls
to think it has come this far, for newfags to have this kind of impression. you need to kill yourself.
>qt asian girl
she's not even cute. the OP photo is the best one i've seen from her.
and it's beside the point anyway. it's basically just her revealing her life, i don't see how her looks or gender or my age or gender matters at all.
What? I've only met one girl through /ic/ and multiple dudes. I think it's mostly guys aged 18 to 25. Previous threads that have polls and questions about age and gender support this (iirc that is).
>Crazy detective story
>look like characters from detective conan
are you really "epic face palming"
the drawing from a 7 year old?
>There are people right now that are actually getting upset or emotional over a comic book
You really picked the lowest grade. Anyway I thought she was in college somehow because anon said something about it but it's still funny. She could have made it less laughable.
I did chill the fuck out you butthurt whiteknight. I didn't think much about it because I just wanted to mention the irony of it looking like detective conan characters. Sheeeeit are your mother hormones working or what? 7 yo you can't draw like that or write like that. If you assume something that stupid how can I even take you seriously. It was just a little funny not that poorly drawn for elementary age just silly. Calm your tits you dried out prume jeesh!
Thank you to the anon that posted this, I've been reading it all week and have really been enjoying it.
Does anyone know of any other books, mangas or shows like this?
Gekkan Wa Shoujo Nozaki Kun is also a really good anime about a manga artist, KakuKaku is a lot more relate able and realistic.
Good read, I'm a game dev who picked up drawing so I can stop relying on other people so much for assets and things I need. Wish I picked up drawing earlier in life, its a lot of fun but I still suck terribly.
>tfw you will never have someone like sensei Kenzou to lovingly teach you art through tough love
Why bother living /ic/?
I'm getting towards the end. I wasn't ready for this. I didn't ask for these feels. I'm getting serious at 26, and I'm trying to drill "Just Draw" into my head.
I will become Sensei Kenzou for someone someday I hope.
T-thanks, OP. I'm just had a few tears fall onto my dinner.
Pretty good OP, thanks for the recommendation.
I'm pretty much at the stage where she's finished college and now working at a shitty job she hates, but at least it gives you fuel to get better.
Tbh she couldn't do draw because she was only doing studies/copying like all of /ic/
The teacher just told her to do exactly that (draw what she sees), but she knew that's not what professionals do.
I haven't finished it yet, though.
Throughout most of this, I was just really pissed off about how she disappointed and squandered so many people and opportunities. The fact that her teacher existed and entrusted her with so much was a godsend.
And the ending hit me really hard knowing that fact.
>art school graduate and drawing instructor
I like her work enough now, but what the fuck
i like the moments when they're both being idiots.
the teacher's fate is gonna punch me in the heart, isn't it.
See, oldfags? There's hope of gettin gud at art even when you're older.
anon, you won't make it with that snark
I really like Kakukaku, but I find it a little weird that people sometimes act like it's a magic "this is how you get good at drawing" story. It's far more about Akiko's emotions such as fear of rejection from sensei and getting over your own ego.
It's more of a good manga IMO as opposed to an "all artists must read this" piece.
I think it's a good manga for artist's to read, especially /ic/. It teaches several lessons topical to art and /ic/ in general
>you can still 'make it' if you're older
>you can lose your abilities quickly (she went to college and went back to square one artistically because of her partying, reading uguu~ manga all day and so on)
>you can succeed with persistence and hard work (her first two post-debut submissions were rejected)
I binged the whole thing in the last two days and I really enjoyed even if she's a fucking selfcentered and ungrateful cunt, or really just hard to empathize with, she mostly tries to exaggerate the differences between her and her sensei.
Still, I don't think her relationship with her mentor was as bad as she tries to depict it was by the end.
I really wish I had someone to make me draw the way he did. It reminded me of the teacher from whiplash
Also sensei was hardcore and real as fuck.
>no canned food
>didn't go to the hospital while sick, kept on painting instead
>trained a cat to become the alpha cat and attack everyone but him
>even if she's a fucking selfcentered and ungrateful cunt
I like that the present day her realizes this at least. I wish I had saved the page where she asks if anyone has invented a time machine yet, then she punches past-her in the face.
>I wish I had saved the page where she asks if anyone has invented a time machine yet
>it's kind of a biography, which is rare for manga
You should read more manga because there are a shitton of biographical series and a few good ones ( Shigeru Mizuki, Fumi Yoshinaga, Junji Ito, Moyocco Anno, Yoshihiro Tatsumi ect) are available in languages besides japanese
>available in languages besides japanese
i do read a decent amount, but i haven't seen that many translated online. i know some that are published, but i don't go out of my way to read autobiographies about old mangaka
thanks for the recommendation OP, I've read it and enjoyed it, probably the second manga I read in my life too.
Akiko Higashimura (the creator or this manga, I think OP got the name wrong) is going to be in an upcoming documentary TV series in Japan that focuses entirely on the process of making manga:
>Naoki Urasawa (Monster)
>Akiko Higashimura (Kuragehime)
>Kazuhiro Fujita (Ushio no Tora)
>Inio Asano (Oyasumi Pun Pun)
>Takao Saito (Golgo 13)
Oh shit. I've been waiting for this my whole life
Yeah, we could all use an artist version of nama sensei. I've been thinking about doing some kind of art class video series going all the way from the fundamentals, but I don't want to commit to that kind of project only to pussy out after a year like he did.
>watching a tutorial about drawing a heavily stylized cartoons in Japanese
>not spending time on Hampton, Vilppu or Robertson
Why are you doing this?
Drawing manga is a waste of time if you want to be an illustrator or concept artist.
Even if you're a hobbyist who don't care about getting a job, you could find some better tutorials in English.
I can, i learned a language so i can read eromanga and i am now learning a craft to draw lolis and scat, that's the kind of person i am.
I am interested in drawing actual manga/erotic doujinshi, there are not many books out there for things like panel composition in manga, tone usage etc.
>This is my casual every day life, i just wore this simple tracksuit and made this very complicated hairstyle to go to work, not because there are cameras or anything.
Womane are the same everyere in the world.
Bakuman was ok for a time, then it turned to something I don't like.
Honestly the best shit I've seen about art in anime/manga is Shirobako.
I don't know how realistic it is, but it sure feels like you're working in a japanese animation studio when watching this. (minus of course the silly and cute characters, but they're still relatable)
If she was 'cute' like that like mentioned in the manga, then her boyfriend would have been totally hotter lol. bijin + ikemen well they sure were a match for each other. just like in her chinese cartoons. good for her. [spoiler]http://pastebin.com/nUykUHiH[/spoiler]
Well, after reading everything I said out loud "what a fucking bitch". but then I realized I'm not really in the position to look down on someone like that, so eh. the only thing is that I'm really jealous of people that was lucky enough to have someone support their fixation with drawing. I have to admit that this woman managed to trick my brai into thinking the characters in the story are people I really know, and that's fucking rare in the shitton of stuff I've read in multiple decades.
special mention to reggaekichi, because he is everyone who gave up being an artist, mangaka or whatever, and its pretty fucking sad.
couldn't you really give him a little push, you stupid chink bitch? damn
Do you think that she got pregnant by accident and huredly got married? She only mentions what happened in like one bubble, its weird how vague she is about her husband but keeps talking about Nishimura-kun.
Do you think she hopes that Nishimura-kun will see it and want to forgive her for messing up their relationship?
Not really, she gave herself a super square body type, not thin at all.
I'd fucking do my hair too if I knew a shitton of people were going to see it. Why are you cunts being so critical?
So throughout high school and college she was drilled in direct drawing, only to discover that manga requires a different approach. I wonder how typical that story is in Japan. Reminds me of Hiroaki Samura who also quit oil painting for manga.
she points it out herself multiple times
she loves being flattered, she spends a lot of money on clothing and other stuff.
It's not an insult and I don't understand why you're getting so defensive about it. The comment I replied to implied that she dressing her hair all fancy because there were cameras, and I made the point that that's probably how she really is in real life, considering how she presents herself in the manga.
I'm getting a lot from reading this manga. Makes me put pencil to paper. Thank you, anon.
>get motivated, start drawing everyday
>one week later get a job offer
>its a delivery job, meaning I won't be able to do anything for at least ten hours everyday and I'll be exhausted when I come back
>can't say no because its my first decent proposal in months
what the hell, what the fucking damn hell holy fucking shit
Okay today was the first day
I actually wrote how shit it was, but I deleted everything because I don't actually care, I just want to draw
seen and quoted, the similitudes are impressive
free time is evening when you're fucking tired, and saturdays and mondays. not much really
I'm going to try that. probably
Barakamon is a 10/10 for me, but since it's all about -not- doing things by the book and finding your own voice, a lot of the people on /ic/ who obsess over technical perfection and following the 'rules' of the craft will have the same reaction to this series the MC has when old guy gallery man tells him his technically flawless work is shit. They won't acknowledge it and they'll get fucking pissed.
The experience this series tells of is one people need to make for themselves, so I guess you really hit the nail on the head by describing it as spiritual.
That's my main issue with /ic/'s attitude. There's a massive focus on technical skill and not so much on creativity and finding your own style. Not only does this cause people to have issues improving since they are mindlessly doing studies, but in the end their work won't be interesting since they never learnt anything other then doing studies.
It just makes me wish creativity and being able to make things like original illustrations were more valued here.
Then bring more creativity in /ic/, you lazy fuck.
There have been people doing more abstract work here, but people generally don't like that kind of thing because their 3-year old is a master in art.
>Then bring more creativity in /ic/, you lazy fuck.
I post in threads that deal with creativity pretty frequently, but I assume what you mean is that people like me should post their work, and I don't want to do that.
I go to 4chan because talking about things anonymously makes it easier to be honest about topics I'm unsure about. You don't have to worry about embarassing yourself and you can acknowledge when you say something stupid without having to think about your ego. Posting your art basically turns you into an avatarfag, and I feel like if I'm going to go wave my art in other peoples faces I won't be able to talk as honestly anymore since It'll literally tie my image to this place.
>spend time re-reading this shit story
Its like you werent reading anon, just fucking draw.
>focus on technical skill and not so much on creativity
Theres a world outside of /ic/ that'll teach creativity
>mindlessly doing studies
some people do it, some dont
>in the end their work won't be interesting
thats an opinion
I agree there are issues with /ic/, but your issues look childish; then again, I could be wrong.
Suit yourselves, but I would never tell anyone to follow advice from someone who has zero artistic talent.
Either way anyone drawing in anyway from manga as a source of inspiration is a joke.
stopped reading here
If i and most likely any other artist had a mentor, things would go much more faster for us.
Getting Mentor is like typing a cheat code for superpowers.
We'll get that eventually, in the mean time GET PSYCHED!
The manga is about never do what she had to do. She was with the best teacher and never draws, at art school? Nothing...
She is an artist, with her style and limitations like a lot of comic book artists over the world. Her ideas and shit art sells. So... There's something there.
Jap college entrance exams are ALL fucking stupid, it's no surprise. If you're mad about her going to college in general then you must have either been shit at school or you don't get how those tests over there work. Fuck I slacked off every day in high school, skipped classes, I remember skipping out weeks and I still got into NY state with my shitty grades and even then I still skipped out on lectures, procrastinated like a mother fucker and yet university was still a breeze and I'm currently working on my Masters (math major).
Getting into college doesn't require as much effort as you think it does, it's landing a good job that pays well out of it that's the hard part and she definitely put effort in to making that happen, and EVEN THEN she still had the shit end of the stick, having to draw constantly for hours and hours, not getting a good paying job but sticking with it for years until she rose up