The stigmatization of drawing from observation worries me.
It seems like everyone idolizes drawing solely from imagination which is retarded to me. Using a reference doesn't mean carbon copying it, it means not guessing details when you don't know details.
>I feel extremely constrained when I do
So if you want to draw a giraffe but forget what a giraffe looks like, do you just fucking guess so you don't feel constrained? Or do you google "giraffe" and refresh your memory? That's using a reference, it doesn't mean you need to copy the giraffe's exact pose.
>>2249937 >I completely misunderstand what OP wrote. Read the post again, I never said any of the following: > I'm too good for references > Using references makes for worse art > The fact that I don't use references makes me a good artist. Read before you shitpost faggot.
I use as little ref as I possibly can. Usually when I get to the 50% mark on a piece I have to look some things up. Visual library is important, but it's only a small part of what no-ref drawing is about. It's about being able to fill in the gaps yourself using logic, not things you've memorized or things you want to copy. Functional understanding of things gets you halfway there 99% of the time.
It does make things a lot harder and time-consuming and will make you more frustrated when you work.
>I'd like to maybe start incorperating some references in my drawing but I hardly know where to start. Practice sketching/thumbnailing without reference, and fill in the gaps of your visual memory with logical thinking (what is the subject, what function does it perform, what material is it, how is the light hitting it, etc) and then use reference later on down the line. Starting out by looking at reference means you risk relying too much on the ref and limiting your creative problem solving. But this is if your goal is to draw 100% from imagination one day.
Yeah man. I hate myself for it but it just doesn't make sense to invest the energy and love into painting something when you get paid a flat amount per piece and give zero fucks about the project anyway.
I think making a living doing the exact kind of work you want to make is a huuuge luxury reserved for guys 10+ years down the career path. To start getting paid you have to become a whore it seems.
>>2249911 I used to always be dead set against using reference too, I always felt like it took too long to find and messed up my flow when I had to click back and forth between windows. It really does make your stuff so much more believable though, even if you take a quick look. I still don't really use it for drawing people and poses, but for materials, objects, and environments, and with the convenience of Pureref, I've incorporated it smoothly into my workflow whenever i need it.
I think references are very useful tbh. If you think you can't use them without putting constraints on your art, you're doin it wrong. You don't live in a vacuum anyway, Your art is following the references stored in your brain as memories. When you're using physical references in front of you, you simply need to be pick out elements and pieces that inspire you, that are useful to you, and it's not necessarily copying something.
I noticed that your drawings are okay but they're pretty lacklustre and flat. Anatomy is wonky, but in a distracting way, not in a stylish way. I'd use references to study a bit of anatomy, for example.
>>2250223 >click back and forth between windows. I don't do any digital art >>2250254 What does lacklustre mean? I don't really do any realism, it happens very rarely. However I do appreciate the critique and advice, not to mention the compliment.
I don't like it either op, among other reasons stated in this thread, it doesn't fit well my style (linedrawing), it messes with my freedom and something I feel is important is that it creates unrealistic standards for myself. If I use a reference too closely, I'll be frustrated in my next piece if I don't reference it too because it may look much worse. I may add for context that I'm just a filthy no name hobbyist, I think a serious artist probably should use references.
I agree wit you, only thing I think can hurt you is when you're about to draw something that's on your mind and you start looking for references on the design of others artists instead of first looking at what inspires that design. I mean, you can look at other artists for inspiration and to see how someone else resolve a problem, but you should have a fresh mental library when starting to design something.
Example of what I'm trying to say: You need to draw an steampunk plane. Instead of looking at things of the victorian era, machines, etc, you go look the designs of some fantasy steampunk game. Now your ideas will be "tainted" by the design of other artists.
>>2250943 >Now your ideas will be "tainted" by the design of other artists. won't happen. people aren't idiots, you should trust your own creativity more. in the end you'll draw what you want to draw. and people like OP especially won't do that, i imagine they'd do the opposite in fact. they will go out of their way to avoid getting influenced in any way.
especially like with cases like your example, it'd be like writing without knowing the genre.
also to make this clear, this is only for when you don't know something. if you know the subject/genre well enough, there is no need to look up refs.
I'm not saying to never look at things done by other artists in a theme you're going to work, just don't do it in the same day you'll be designing those things cause it will stay in your mind when trying to come up with ideas... It happens to me, it happens to some concept artists, even Feng Zhu say you should avoid doing that.
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