I'm french and live in the North of Paris, in Picardy. I have to say That not all muslims are terrorists , please stop . There is no religion allowing killing people, these brothers are just mad, fanatic .
Also strange atmosphere here in France, the terrorist alert is at its maximum in Paris and Picardie, the doors remain closed in my high school ,I Went to Paris wednesday afternoon , cops Were on the Champs Elysées with FAMAS and stuff. Everyday there is attacks, hostages. And i see a lot of people taking the defence of the brothers Kouachi.
This is bad.
What do you guys think of this?
>There is no religion allowing killing people
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter...
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
The Quran also unlike the bible, consists of direct commandments from God.
I wouldn't go so far. Shia and Sunni hate each other.
But yes even many western muslim agree on things like Koran > law of the country and terror attacks maybe acceptable in some cases.
While I fully agree with you regarding the "not all Muslims are terrorists" part, I want to stress that without Islam, there wouldn't be any attacks.
As long as Islam exists, terrorists will exit. I'm not calling for the destruction of Islam, but as an Agnostic I think Islam is the absolute worst of the major religions, in terms of submission, mind-control and outright oppression and poisonous ideology.
Ever wondered why there are so few people who convert from Islam to Christianity, or why there are so few people who go from being Muslims to being Irreligious? Islam is so deeply rooted within its followers, it's really scary.
Either way, I don't think this is over. I'm not a supporter of FN, and the Far-Right movement in general, but I think they're right when it comes to extremist Islam. It's a plague, and it's absolutely horrifying.
They have officially declared war on the West. That's just how it is. We need to fight back, not with gunfire, but with good policy.
I'm a Christian
The Quran explicitly states that I should be killed
No compromise there
>in case of a war
in case of war people fight regardless of their religion
>regardless whether he is a soldier.
no it doesn't
>And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors
>those who fight you
Nice bait thread.
I suggest you to read this.
>C'est aussi le cas d'Abdel, 14 ans, en 4e au collège Pierre-de-Geyter, un peu plus dans le sud de la ville. « Bien sûr que tout le monde a participé à la minute de silence, et il y avait tous les musulmans », insiste-t-il. Mais il ne cache pas sa motivation : « Je l'ai fait pour ceux qui ont été tués, mais pas pour Charlie [Charb], le mec qui a dessiné. Je n'ai aucune pitié pour lui. Il a zéro respect pour nous, les musulmans. Mais ce n'était pas la peine de tuer douze personnes. Ils auraient pu ne tuer que lui. »
>« On ne rigole pas avec la religion », affirme Allende, jeune majeur scolarisé au lycée professionnel Bartholdi, chrétien mais qui envisage une conversion. « C'est dangereux. S'ils ont tué Charlie, c'est parce qu'il ne respectait pas la religion. Ils ont attaqué l'islam, et là, ils voient un autre aspect de l'islam, la colère. Si Charlie continue, les jeunes ici vont bouger. »
So why did you invaded and exterminated all Christians in North Africa and the middle East ?
You goatlovers would have continued but suddenly you ran into pic related.
>So why did you invaded and exterminated all Christians in North Africa and the middle East ?
christians lived under islam and they were never killed or exterminated, they still exist by millions in Jordan, Syria, Egypt
This. Muslims define themself as muslims before any nationality race or even as human. They love their prophet more then their own children. Islam is complete submission to religion and nothing else, which makes it so hard for them to accept non-islamic values or other legal systems, since the Qran already give them a explicit legal system
>Hippies can coexist with you but they're annoying and mess up our Capitalism
>Men and women coexisted ever since the dawn of time and both care deeply about each other
>Jews coexisted with us Americans since the beginning of our lives. They help our economy and are truly our greatest friends
>Satanists/Wiccans don't do much and their religion is a joke but you can still coexist
>Taoists are ayy
>Christians are God's holiest warriors and wish to coexist with everyone. Love thine neighbor
>Muslims hate everyone who's not Muslim and wants to kill them
>so few people who convert from Islam to Christianity, or why there are so few people who go from being Muslims to being Irreligious
That's untrue though. Many young muslims are now atheists, and back in my country many people convert to christianity just to be edgy, Problem is you can't announce it in public because your family would get mad.
You can clearly see the different muslim types.
You have the moderate ones, they dont dress like theyr going to a prayer, they work normal, they have wifes who live like a free woman and kids playing with the other normal kids.
And you have the rest, claims theyr moderate, but they dress up and do all theyr living based on a fucking book.
They dont know how to be free in theyr mind, and they wont, because theyr brainwashed and fucked.
>not all muslims are terrorists , please stop
>i see a lot of people taking the defence of the brothers Kouachi.
it's not a direct command to all muslims for the rest of time to wage war on everyone else forever
it was about the meccans specifically about them
>and drive them out of where they drove you out
And Iberians forced people who believed in Islam and Mohamed out of the peninsula. You're just backpedaling, if you limit each verse to the very specific context of the desert people one thousand four hundred years ago, there's no commandment, there's no law, there's no religion.
>go full extremist
>grow a beard
>join the IS in Iraq
>become one of their most feared and brave soldier
>get a maximum of sex slave
>spend the rest of your life with yezidi waifus
>get bombed by drones
>enjoy the eternity with your 72 virgins
You muslims have it easy. If you aren't lucky with girls you can still take the back-up plan to become a glorious muhajedin
Meh not like a give a fuck. My parents don't force me to pray, and I only go to the mosque like twice in a year.
Ramadan kinda sucks though, but at least there's a feast each day.
I'm sure many people join IS juste because they are bored neckbeards who want to see/get some action.
>would fuck girls if I wasn't ugly and autistic.
> Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear (the punishment of) God, and know that God is with those who restrain themselves.
These verse were revealed at a time when Muslims of Madinah were under constant attack from the Makkans. An example would be when the Makkans conducted the public crucifixion of the companion of the Prophet Muhammad, Khubaib bin Adi. These would be classified as 'terrorist activities' according to the modern usage of the term. so clearly this is about the meccans
Yeah, stop pandering to their shit ffs. Ban the crazy clerics who come to give talks and no more quartiers made up of commieblocks filled with muslims. Deport those who don't have citizenship, throw those who come back from Syria/Iraq in jail. Also give them some jobs so they have better to do than read the Quran all day.
France socialists hate christians since they don't vote for them, been that way for decades. If they could, they'd go back to outright killing priests. But here :
Iirc the morrocan king recently sparred one apostate from being executed though but asides from tunisia (thanks to the new constitution) preaching anything else than islam in a muslim countries is usually a very bad idea.
>There is no religion allowing killing people, these brothers are just mad, fanatic .
C’est des conneries. Islam explicitly advocates waging war against non-believers, taking non-muslims as slaves, and killing those who insult it's false prophet. Muslims who aren't "terrorists" are basically just bad muslims.
>Also strange atmosphere here in France
I should fucking hope so: http://rt.com/uk/221203-hebdo-british-watch-list/
>The younger brother Cherif was convicted of terrorism charges in 2008 and was sentenced to three years in prison for his links to a network sending jihadists to fight US forces in Iraq.
>Said travelled to Yemen in 2011 and was trained by an Al-Qaeda’s affiliate there before returning to France,
>Both French and US officials were aware that the Kouachi had trained in Yemen.
>However, due to stretched resources, French security services had stopped watching them because there are too many suspected jihadists in France to keep track of.
If these are the guys the French security service thought they could ignore then I've got to wonder how bad the ones they are still tracking are.
> ... there are too many suspected jihadists in France to keep track of.
>That not all muslims are terrorists
No, you just shill for the killers. You're Good Germans. Fuck you. Nobody believes your taquiyya bullshit any more.
Same thing happened in belgium. During the evening news the day of the Charlie Hebdo attack, they showed flemish highschool classroom where the muslim & christian children were seated together and their teacher asked them how they felt about the attacks.
One of the muslim girls said she (kinda) felt bad how all the murders happened, but then she added that she didn't understand why all those cartoonists kept drawing muhammad "even though they (should) know that it's not allowed"
>It's not allowed
Those 3 words "it's not allowed" sum up the mindset of most mudslimes.
It's not allowed FOR YOU, because you're a fucking mudslime. I don't have to do what your pedophile prophet commands, but muslims are completely unable to make that distinction.
The correlation between how Lebanon and Turkey are the least durka-durka, and thus are objectively the least shit of the Muslim countries is quite staggering.
The more Islamic a country is, objectively, the more shit it is.
The less Islamic a country is, objectively, the less shit it is.
>In Alsace-Lorraine? That's the only place (Concordat)
Literally everywhere. The last church build in Saint-Denis (in 2012) was built with public funds. Around 70% of the churches here are funded and maintained by state money. Loopholes.
In alsace lorraine it's even worse, as the state has to pay for the priests (and, subsequently, imams).
>So basically 99% then
>80 Percent of Holland's Young Turkish Muslims Support Jihad
>Third of U.S. Muslims Support Al-Qaeda:
> “In Egypt 81 percent said they agreed with the al Qaeda goal of “requiring a strict application of Shari’a law in every Islamic country”
Get your head out of the sand.
I think they westerners that join ISIS are looking for meaning in their lives
I mean, when you think of it, the West pushes us towards a life of "get up, do to work, work, get how, eat with wife and kids, sleep, repeat". When religion was around, it all fit into a scheme. Now there's no scheme, but some people need one.
This. I also believe that one reason for the rise of radical islamism is that many muslims seriously fear to have their religion extinct. They saw that Christianity in Europe got replaced by Fedora-tipping so they desperately refuse to adapt western lifestlyle because they know that this would later mean the end of Islam
lel uae,qutar,kuwait and even saudi arabia are objectively better than Lebanon and most parts of turkey in terms of life conditions
Absolutely disgusting. I drink (seldomly) and date and am overall irreligious and I still won't eat pork.
Though I accidently ate this store bought lasagna that said VERDE thinking it was vegetarian but turned out to be pork in Belgium. It was really delicious but I felt sick after my bf told me it was pork.
We were having dinner with his family the other night and they ate pork chops and I had chicken. Pork just looks gross...
I make it for my bf at home sometimes and make myself something else but just too used to not liking/eating it to start now
Iz a grill..
There are three power blocks in France right now: The white working-class, who vote for FN, the Muslim working-class, who doesn't care about politics (but politics care about them), and the Zionists, who control most mainstream political parties.
Someone is going to lose. Either the Christian and Muslim working-classes will ally to attack the Zionist/Jews (as Alain Soral wants), or the Zionists will mobilize the Christians against the Muslims (as is happening right now), or worse, the Zionists and Muslims will ally at the expense of the Christians (the Houellebecq scenario).
Whatever happens, the status quo is broken.
>not all muslims are terrorists
Irrelevant. Not all French people were Jacobins in 1789, not all Russians were Bolsheviks in 1917, not all Chinese were Maoists in 1949.
History is not made by majorities, it is made by organized minorities, such as the Islamists.
No, I don't. I think his grandma does that. I swear I have never seen people using butter and lard the way his grandma did.
Actually, Belgians in general use a lot of butter. I don't know how they are not all 150kg.
> It was really delicious but I felt sick after my bf told me it was pork.
why? Don't you like the animal in general, because pigs are really great, you can eat almost any part and they have tons of other uses, they can also be great pets, because they are about as smart as dogs. Inb4 they are dirty and eat their own shit, pigs are actually pretty clean animals and like it clean, except when they have no other choice because they are cared for wrong by a retarded farmer who doesn't know better/wants to save space. If you don't like the taste or don't want to eat it because it tends to be fattier than other meat that's cool and all, but don't shit on this absolute bro of humanity just because you don't like how it looks.
Islam allows killing people, but it does not allow breaking the law. There is nothing wrong with killing those who insult Islam, but taking the law into you own hands is wrong (for example, the attack lead to the death of a Muslim cop- who unlike the cartoonists- is a real victim)
That does not say as much as you want to think. I would love to have a caliphate, but think ISIS are scum (as do most other Islamists).
I see, I just don't want you to be irrational about it, because I was like that with seafood in general until I tried some really good stuff.
>is goat lean?
I don't really know, I had it only a few times, if I want to eat some great meat I always ask a friend of my parents, who hunts, for something, deer is just great and the taste of boar is pretty intense, it's not for everyone tough.
How does it feel knowing you should be killed, murtad scum?
Brazil is Islamic clay since it belongs to Portugal, and Portugual belongs to Spain, and Spain belongs to Islam.
I need my qt spic slavegirls
>caring about what some goat fuckers think
>Islam explicitly advocates waging war against non-believers, taking non-muslims as slaves, and killing those who insult it's false prophet
None of that is actually terrorism
>Canada has to accommodate to Islam, not the otherway around
No, fuck this. I don't want this country to turn into a shithole. If I wanted to live under shariah I'd go to an islamic country.
Lebanon is GOAT if you are into cuckolding (Lebanese women are huge sluts, like that bitch Mia Khalifa)
I would rather have a "durka" Yemeni wife than a Westernized Turkish or Lebanese whore wife
I would also like a few qt spic slavegirls from Brazil. MMMM, I love pretty brown girls.
reliable sources you have there, my American compatriot
Although I am an Islamist (and former Randian fedora tipper), I agree with this. I simply cannot envision a scenario in which Islam will survive long term in a liberal society, except among ultra hardcore "red pill" contrarian edgelords (which I consider myself one). If Islam is going to survive among normalfags, we need to get rid of secular liberalism as we know it.
>Implying the West won't be fucked when their only source of power is a bunch of solar panels
I hope you get an honor killing, whore
Islamists are divided themselves (eg Brotherhood vs Al Qaeda vs ISIS in Syria
>Implying the West won't be fucked when their only source of power is a bunch of solar panels
We will be fucked but they are fucked even more. We have nuclear power. They lose the energy and their only income.
I still don't fucking know, frère.
I see people on Facebook and other places going all kinds of "Je Suis Charlie" and "Pas d'amalgames" and "they were asking for it" and "don't victim blame" and I'm just there, still don't fucking know what to do with any of that.
I guess I find all this sudden appropriation of those martyrs a little obscene, from the guy who says he's Charlie but never read them or even dared to speak out of line on any subject for fear of retaliation, to the casual muslim who says "islamophobia is going to get worse now", to the the guy who found there a proof that all immigrants/muslims are terrible.
I mean shit, have some decency. Some people, some artists and some public servants, died, and their deaths are being recuperated by everyone with an agenda to push and/or an ego to boost.
I don't feel angry. I don't, I just feel fucking genuinely sad. When the fuck did everything turn into shit so much...