Philosophy. Solves no practical problems, its a "science" (that doesnt even use math or numbers or measurements) and is there only to create problems, not solve any. Luckily for us these problems are as irrelevant as the study itself, so no one cares.
Arts. Everyone is already an artist. You dont need to study art to be artist. You can smear a bunch of shit over the paper and call it art. Its subjective, therefore irrelevant. Its not objective, its not even a fucking science. Its a hobby, get over it. Leonardo DaVinci called art a hobby, and mechanical engineering "the most noble of all arts", so there you go (f)art students, take notes from the best artist in history.
Social studies/sciences. First of all these shits arent even fucking sciences. Calling them sciences is offense towards chemistry, engineering of various kind, physics, mathematics and so on. Social studies do not even use scientific method. Half of the time they are based on feelings instead of logic and numbers. They almost never give any kind of concrete, definitive, 100% reliable results. Abso-fucking-lutely useless. Clinical psychiatry is the only science out of all these 'muh feelings, the science' things.
Fuck OP, fuck modern materialism. Anything not deemed immediatly practical or a short term quick pleasure, is deemed uselesss by such brainwashed people of a society. Decadence follows in this thought. It should be mocked, for it has already caused damage in much of Western society
>>36918251 do you think high level math and physics isn't philosophy just as much as it is science? you think some dink with just a math degree will get anywhere other than being a human computer?
philosophy is easily the most useful degree to minor in bar none, it only adds to whatever else you do and helps build a full and independent outlook on life there was a time when to be educated meant more than memorizing facts and number crunching
>>36918288 But that's not what it's about. Philosophy is essentially one long conversation between philosophers spanning thousands of years of history. You need to learn the basics of how such thinking developed before you form your own opinion.
>>36918288 idk about France but I've taken philosophy courses (not as a major but just casually) and all of them were very open and discussion focused and I've never seen someone get in 'trouble' for saying something unconventional, whether it was logical or not
social science is more of the thought police than philosophy is
The people I know who think philosophy is useless constantly make mistakes in judgement throughout their lives and then ask "how did I mess up this bad, what should I do"
Philosophy isn't "useful" in that it'll get you a job. It's useful in that you learn how to live your fucking life, how other people ought to be treated, and where you stand in relation to everything else. It's things everyone thinks they know until pressed or put on the spot.
Philosophy is only useful when combined with something else. It learns you think,speak, read properly, compile great argumentations... People who study philosophy on it's own are retarded. It's just a specific literature study then.
>>36918559 Considering how arrogant in calling your own materialistic views "perfect" and "spot on", I'd find it in the best to say "fuck off" since you'd lack the capacity to hear anything outside of it
>>36918419 Kek I had some philosophy classes at uni and it was fucking annoying, 95% of it was memorize facts about philosophers' lives and concepts, it should've been called "history of philosophy" intead
Philosophy addresses things with logic instead of "do this because I say so." It makes you actually believe what is being said instead of just blindly following it.
And, if your parents actually did reason things out with you, they either used philosophy to explain why things are right and wrong or their reasoning was flawed as shit and the only reason it seems right is your child mind couldn't refute it.
>>36918683 >still continues with personal insults >because he cant argue for shit
lel, fun fact shitlord, you live in a "materialistic" world, aight? Everything around you is materialistic. Materialistic science solves problems, practical problems. Materialistic approach and study is why you can make your shitty post on the internet and change your Amerifat flag into a Jap one.
Now go ahead back to your artsy fartsy studies, we all have fucking hobbies but at least we do not treat our hobbies as a fucking science you pretentious fuck. When unemployment rate drops below 90%, THEN you can be called a useful, respectable science that society needs.
Being "an artist" is fucking childish, guess what, everyone is an artist, but not everyone is useful, that's why society doesnt care about your personal, subjective shit. Grow up, become useful member of society, and do art as a hobby instead of leeching tax paying workers with actual work, work you use every day.
I'm just finishing a joint Ba in Philosophy and going to be moving into a Bsc in Psychology after graduation, studying it was mostly a waste of time but it was really easy, guess it helped me realize what I really want to do in life at least.
>>36918951 Christ you are pathetic, so blinded in your miserable shit that you can't even realize I'm not the same poster you directed your question to. I see how ingrained you are that I can see it's obvious to tell you to fuck off.
Now continue being a beast and masturbating over your objects that you vainly hope will one day satisfy you.
>>36919233 it's not that more people on 4chan dislike philosophy, it's just that the simplest assburger minds tend to be the loudest, which creates an illusion of a hostile enviroment towards the science
>>36919296 Are you blind? It's funny that I'm not the person you directed your questions toward, yet you still hop on me hoping to satisfy your miserable anti-intellectual attitude. Perhaps you should go to the club again so you meet people of the same mental capacity that would agree with you in that materliasim is best
I was trying to read the sickness unto death but now that school's started again I've put it aside for now. I'm reading Gogol and Pushkin later this year for an Imperial Russian history class, and I've got a lot of work for my German translation independent study.
Why are fedoras so useless? They don't study, they don't have their own ideas, but think that parroting the bullshit that their fedora masters spout makes them a Ph.D, in all subjects? Philosophy teaches you how to think. Of course, imbeciles who can't think and are unwilling to learn how to do that hate Philosophy. A nice example is Degrease Tyson. The jackass believes that a diploma in Astrophysics allow him to talk about History, Religon, Genetics you name it. Every time he opens his stupid mouth it's easy to see that he's talking about shit he knows nothing about, but his fan club take his word as universal truth. The fat ass hates Philosophy because it asks too many questions and its a waste of time. Makes sense, because people knew how to think it wouldn't take long to see the huge fraud he is.
>>36919665 It means if reading the book caused you to get over your social anxiety it was because the stage had been set for you to get over it and it was the book that set you over the edge. If you didn't read the book it would have been some other book, or movie or experience or whatever that you'd mark as the item that cured you. The exact item was arbitrary
>>36919638 I'm genuinely sorry if I overstepped by using my anecdotal experience as a general example, I was just trying to give an example of how philosophy could be practically applied in the world in response to the anon who said it couldn't be.
>>>>36919296 That's funny because the scientific process by itself is historically a subbranch of philosophy. In the 18th century, science was called "natural philosophy". But I'm pretty sure you don't actually know what the philosophical reasoning implies anyway.
>ALL of the "arguments" that philosophy, soft sciences and arts do not use scientific method, were ad hominem
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Like, literally all posts out of all posts. Face it: Everyone is already an artist. You can throw shit at paper and call it art. Its a hobby, not an academic discipline. Philosophy does not solve any practical problems. "Its because I said so!" is upon what philosophy is built. And soft sciences are not sciences at all. They work on feelings and happy thoughts, not on numbers and logic. They are inconclusive. They are not reliable. They are not a fucking science. Chemistry is science. Programming is a fucking science. Math is a science as well.
>how much is 2+2 >math: its 4 >how much is 2+2 >soft sciences: well, you see, its actually quite complicated, you see, on thursday its 3, but on friday its 5, sometimes it can also be 11, and if the subjects mother was left handed its 17, but of course its not like that every time, just sometimes, you see, its all very scientific [...]
>>36919296 >Philosophy: It's because I said so! You're being literally retarded. Philosophy is all about logic and reasoning, which is something most people seem to have problems with. I'm not saying it's necessarily a science or something that will keep you employed, but it would be really damn cool if people could get some basic training/education in philosophy, but in a better form than having a class of 30 sit down, telling them some stuff about Socrates and Platon, a bit of the concept behind "if a tree falls in a forest without anyone around, does it make a sound?" and asking if anyone wants to discuss it, then moving on, because how it was like in my high school was literally useless. >>36919602 The only reason you don't have freedom in the prison self is materialistic. The same as you don't have the freedom to jump off a building and fly for two hours in the sky by flapping your bare arms around without tools to help you. Freedom only exists in the mind, in thought and ideas, the physical world never allows someone real freedom as I see it.
>>36920268 It really doesn't. Math in its earliest and simplest form is a form of philosophy. It is today as well, even though it's outgrown that label and required one of its own, but not everyone will accept that.
>>36917544 Because understanding philosophy is a personal reflection that one must make themselves. One can prefer one branch of philosophy to another but few rarely agree entirely with a single philosopher. Thus, philosophy is only objectively useful in the field of teaching, which requires an education degree anyway. Most degrees, at least in the US, force you to take multiple prerequisite anyway so that you have some sort of liberal arts education. Though even a degree in philosophy is better a than a purely liberal arts degree, because at least you specialized in a field that makes you qualified for a position instead of a degree that really says you went to school for 4 years and never decided what you wanted to be the entire time you were there.
>>36920328 >>36920342 You mean to say the person from whom the term "philosophy" originates from wasn't doing sick ass math before it? You mean to say people weren't trading and counting shit before philosophy hit the West?
>>36920385 Well then I state that mathematics is rudimentary to philosophy.
Why are people here so plebbish? Reading philosophy is great for many reasons:
>Helps understand the theories of many subjects throughout history >Puts into perspective why our society is structured the way it is today >Instills love of knowledge that helps you branch out to offer fields of academia >Causes you to question morality not just in "what you should do", but "why we should do it" >Provides an extensive collection of literature ranging from novels to ancient discourses >Facilitates the ability to have debates without resorting to fallacies Most importantly >Makes you aware you may not always be right, but makes you strive for cognitive self-improvement
It seems the only people that don't like philosophy are the ones that have difficulty with abstract thinking. Which is a little sad because I was able to understand philosophical concepts even when I was 13. But I guess some of us are just stuck to mediocrity.
>>36919405 I don't know where this idea of anyone is an artist and you just go ahead and smear the canvas with shit and that's art. In order to be an artist,you need to study color theory, composition, perspective, anatomy and many other disciplines. Nothing is random in art, not even Pollock. But a retard will look at a Pollock or a Mondrian piece and think they're shit, because they weren't educated to appreciate art and beauty.
>>36920037 Anyone can take a shit, but I bet you shit in the streets whenever you feel like,it's only natural. Anyone can think, but few can think correctly. And we all know you belong to the vast majority.
>>36920865 >Anyone can think, but few can think correctly. There's that supremacy talk again. Where do you gather that there is such a thing as "correct" thinking and that philosophy is the way to do it.
>>36920922 Please contain your insults and projections. I was arguing that historically what is considered math precedes what is considered philosophy. Chillax mang.
>>36920821 This is getting sadder and sadder. You are sad. You are also ugly. And dumb. And stupid. And a nigger. And gay. You are also retarded. And a jap. Haha lol xDDDD :DDDDDD x))))))))
Now for an argument: Without actual academics: artists die out because no electricity, no medicaments, no protection, no weapons, no satellites, no bridges, no fucking anything Without artists/philosophers: more budget for projects.
Now lets all stop for a moment and appreciate this piece of art/philosophy.
>>36920836 I've already explained it. When you're using math, one obviously first needs an understanding of logic, even at a basic level. A comprehension of counting, of what "0" means, etc. You're not going to understand such concepts if one has no innate sense of logic that humans are born with.
>>36920510 I am afraid one of these days you will crack up, if you haven't already. I feel sorry for the people around you, because if you harm yourself it wouldn't be a bad thing, at all. By if you harm innocent people. oh that's what you scumbags are all about.
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