The United States is technically an European country because it's where it originates from. The clay was full of native americans with spears, who, sure, had their own thing. But why isn't anywhere capable of being such a superpower? If anything, London would tell the US to do things and the Brits wouldn't think they're a special odd man out since they basically are continentals on an island.
>an European country
We're like 60% European ethnically and our culture while similar (inb4 memes) are too different. If you want the US to be considered European that's on you, but I don't see why you'd want such a thing when the much broader term 'Western' exists.
It was inevitable. The US was going to overtake Europe one day and it did.
There is no tricky pseudo science behind it. We have better clay, more clay, and more people. The real mystery is what took China and India so long to develop power, but now they are overtaking Europe which was to be expected as well.
Large countries have their flaws, but power isn't one of them.
you do realize India and China were literally shit until Europeans and later, Americans, came in and start changing their economies. China was still third world until Britain took them over for a while, same with India, and now that Britain is gone, look what they did with it. They only became economic powers recently because of the huge amount of business the US does with them.
Ok shitface, then tell me why they never became anything other than a regional power, like the anon I was responding to asked. Oh wait . .you just like to sling shit because hurr hurr I can haz interwebz
>the differences in culture between say Germany and France are much less than the culture of Germany and China or France
Honestly, we are very different.
Not the same diet, not the same language roots, no the same work ethic, not the same education system, we celebrate different thing outside of Christian events and so on.
If not for Christianity, race and maybe architecture, they are as foreign as China for us.
That said, ever since WW2, both our countries made it so that we remain friend and learn to know each other better.
The US currently cetainly rules over the EU and other stuff as a protectorate. See, we he here, can only see Americans deploying troops to withstand a Russian invasion since most other other Europeans are soft pussies. The US does not call its things around the Roman Empire, you truly rule the world and those European softies don't know what is by their border. We know and we are afraid of no Russkies. This is whty everyone loves you here man.
No ruse involved, we'll feel at home in any state with somw now in it in i, YOU are better allies than any fucking Europeans we deal with who shit their pants when they hear about Russkie fucks.
No, we got superpower status because the after world war 2, the entire production and manufacturing abilities of the world were ruined save for whatever was in the Americas, and we were willing to use that special position to our incredibly massive advantage.
We'd only be a great power if it weren't for Europe going full retard.
Hey man. We totally love you guys. Look at these Merkel and Hollande guys, they shit their pants when they hear about Merkel, hollande, etc. We will decapitate all of them. We literally have no fear of Russkies, we have experience of beating them. Just like we destroyed their stupid union. Fucking assholes.
Calm down Esti.
We have no business with Ukraine and have no reason to hate Russia, they are an old ally.
+We're busy in Africa atm, cleaning at the mistakes of the USA and protecting our resources.
The locals will love you. And tha'ts what we do, hey, you're the only thing keeping Russians out, the Europeans are some soft fucks who know nothing about showing some Russkies their place as a slave dumbass cleaning our toilets day to day as we do here.
I don't know anymore France. You play into their hands like this. I don't mind it, all those Le Pen's with guys like Dugin etc, but you surely are playing into Russian interests. If you were any good we'd see French troops defending our clay instead of Americans deploying their jets fighters and troops who without fear parade around a few meters from our border. Europe is weak and there is no denying it.
Wait, France, you mean cleaning up your own mistakes right? Africa is fucked up in large part because of Europe's former colonial aspirations. Unless you think attacking terrorists in Yemen is the source of all misbehavior on the continent.
Show up in a uniform and you'll get a qt gf. The US is the only one taking it seriously, other Europeans literally have no clue what a problem the Russkie commies are. If one looks at the hawk lists, the Baltics and Polan are right up there, we are very capable of nuking them, and US troops 100km from the border from St. Petersburg show a message. Europe can't be at peace without US leadership, since most of Europe is weak.
> but you surely are playing into Russian interests
For each other interest, we have everything to gain to be friend
>If you were any good we'd see French troops defending our clay
We're busy elsewhere and this conflict simply doesn't involve us at all.
If the burgers feels like going on tour in the baltics, they can do as they please.
>Europe is weak and there is no denying it
We have just enough for self defense, not wanting to get involved =/= weak.
If Russia attack you, as members of the EU, it's our duty and we'll be involved, otherwise, there's no point in mobilizing troop.
Americans like to show off, not us.
>Wait, France, you mean cleaning up your own mistakes right?
We surely didn't cause the rise of Islam.
And islamist rebels attacks our old colonies.
Until the last 2 decades, Africa was mainly Christian, fucking up the M.E changed everything.
>If Russia attack you, as members of the EU, it's our duty and we'll be involved
But we want the city of Narva with russian population! Are you gonna die for it stay estonian?
So you're saying the rise of islam in africa is due to US intervention in the middle East?
Is US intervention in the middle east also responsible for your receding hairline and ur mom's stanky vagina?
>So you're saying the rise of islam in africa is due to US intervention in the middle East?
Don't know m8, those flags in mali looks really familiar ;^)
I know you Africa problem. We were willing to joiin up when France asked for it. But You will not handle the Russians like this bro.
I want to see you attacking NATO. Either we collapse or i'll drink a lot of vodka. :D Europe won't do much, right, but the US cares about all this stuff about stability in Europe which Russia is breaking.
There's other solutions than taking it.
Russia should do like Israel and offer Russian diaspora to come back.
Crimea is legit, but Narva is just pushing it.
Russia wouldn't stand a year against Europe alone, you really underestimate our forces
USA doesn't care for the same reason as you think.
we care about you being killed by kebab
That's exactly my point, though.
We were, and were going to remain, a great power. And then WW2 happened, where we leveraged being the last man standing into superpower status. Having more land or more people wasn't the deciding factor, it was pure luck.
why are you avoiding the attack? are you afraid, son?
not, but not stupid either, I already explained this, Ivan, but you still have yet to answer why YOU haven't attacked yet.
You do realize Russia was rarely ever the aggressor in big conflicts? In the world wars they were attacked/declared war on first and even earlier napoleon Sweden hell the Crimean war were all wars where Russia was the defender.
first you threat me that you say 'not stupid'. no, you are stupid, Johnny.
you don't have the balls to attack us either.
And you still don't realize heavy consequences of your OP in Ukraine...
Russia tends to keep itself from needlessly deploying it's actual military units, this is true.
However, they have a deep and extensive history of pretty malicious and proactive use of their espionage agencies or their predecessors, which, while covert, does not qualify as being the non-aggressor. The extent of their use borders on paranoid, and has been the source of much consternation towards Russia for decades.
Of course the US could be considered to be in the exact same situation, so who am I to judge.
It's been pretty much confirmed that Maidan was the product of US and EU meddlings. Victoria "State Department" Nuland was literally chumming it up with Maidan upstarts during the course of the takeover.
No matter how the international media portrays it, fact of the matter is that Russia is playing catch up in foreign affairs. They're bleeding soldiers and equipment trying to recapture what little part of their biggest buffer state they can, a buffer state that Western powers have flipped effortlessly.
The US will always be the best at playing The Great Game and the idea that the Russia we know today could even hold a candle against the CIA/State Department in influencing world affairs or against NATO militarily is absurdity of the highest order
>thinking the real enemy is Russia
This. China has had two opportunities before. The first was cut short by the Mongols. The second was cut short by Europeans. Now they will have the third opportunity, after a century of humiliation (they literally call the last hundred years this in China). I can only hope America is up to the task of stopping an ancient juggernaut the likes of which the world has not seen for thousands of years.
And what paranoia is that? Americans doesn't seem to get this. People, all over the world HATE america. We don't want your culture, your bombs, your food or your pathetic excuse for culture. Whyis that so hard to understand?
FUCK YOU, FAGGOT!!!
HOW DARE YOU SAY THIS TO ME, BITCH??? AFTER ALL YOU'VE DONE TO US!!!
no, Johnny! I'll tell you frankly too. I didn't consider USA being our enemy till 2008. And few people and my friends too. You bombed Iraq but I thought it were your problems. Then it all changed.
You had a great chance to grow a pro-american/pro-european generation in Russia but you failed with your policy.
You already had it in th 90-s so? what did we get^ poverty, economic crisis, 2 civil wars and international humiliation.
SO GO AND FUCK YOURSELF! JOIN US-ARMY AND DIE IN IRAN!!!
You misunderstand me.
Russian paranoia exists beyond merely hatred and fear of America, it has been endemic to their very national identity for centuries. The Russian mood has always been such that they have feared that hostile and oppressive assaults, real or perceived, on their land or beliefs are omnipresent.
But people don't want to be defended by you. The only thing america bring is misery and destruction. You starved millions of germans after ww2. You raped millions of germans. You still ockupy their country. You infected them with your sexual liberation in the 60's and then brought your evil culture to them.
This is not defending. This is destroying a nation.
Yup, this is almost entirely our bad.
We kind of got caught up in our own financial hubris, and send you a lot of advisers in the post soviet years that ended up tanking your economy. This was an accident, because we also believed our own lies about the kinds of financial wizardry we were capable of.
Regarding the 2008 things, I'm not sure what you're talking about, if you could explain that?
>this is from the country which invaded Iraq and killed 500,000 civilians because some Saudis, Lebanese and Egyptians, funded by Saudis, living in Afghanistan and sheltered by Pakistanis flew some planes into buildings in New York
Explain the logic.
Problem with China is that they've been going through a massive bubble for the longest time. Bubbles burst, you have booms and busts, that's normal for a capitalist economy, it's all a part of the natural life cycle.
But China has been desperately paranoid of a bust for a very long time, since economic and military growth have been the sole source of legitimacy for the CPP.
The housing bubble has already reached levels of ridiculousness unmatched in the Western world, entire towns/cities where brand new apartments don't even have lighting or running water because so few people live in them.
State industries are so heavily subsidised and bloated that they'd be deep in the red if they weren't propped up to such a massive extent.
I could start on the military but I think the fact that all they can do is copy US tech and have little combat experience since the Korean War should speak for itself.
China is trying to expand into high-tech industries and gain "soft power" like other Asian powers but the incredibly insular nature of their intellectual economy prevents growth in these areas that require vast cooperative networks to develop.
China will be a superpower once it cranks out it's next generation of carriers (they're planning to have 5 in the decade to come) but it's a very very fragile superpower.
America doesn't need to stop China, if you look at US foreign policy towards China it's honestly not even aggressive. The US just needs to wait it out while China kills itself from the inside out.
one of your most serious problems is your short memory.
>We kind of got caught up in our own financial hubris, and send you a lot of advisers in the post soviet years that ended up tanking your economy
If you honestly believe that, you're actually ignorant as fuck.
>buying the "China is about to collapse!" neo-con argument
Wishful thinking as fuck m8. People would have made the same arguments of America straight after the civil war, and yet a few decades later...
I am not an all knowing god that can divine what you're thinking of, nor do I really understand history - so you can either tell me what's up or keep being mad, your choice.
You're right, that's not the only thing that fucked up, but it's a big deal, and one that's often neglected in modern discussions.
Shush Sweden, considering the amount of armaments your country sells while pretending to be neutral, it's a bit rich that Sweden should claim the moral high ground when it comes to death and destitution.
Exactly, China is a ticking time bomb at this point. I was looking online and saw they built one of the largest (I think even the largest) shopping mall in the world, and it's nearly deserted. If that doesn't scream bubble, I don't know what does.
China will pass the US soon, but I have a feeling they are made of glass. Western dominance over the world isn't going anywhere yet.
tl;dr, don't believe the hype, m8s, China is a sneaky, sneaky devil that should be treated with extreme caution,
I remember, before coming on /int/, having the impression that Swedes were nice and caring people. As it turns out, you guys are childish as fuck and get butthurt over everything.
I noted the difference early on. A Western capitalist economy goes through booms and busts, there are periods of prosperity and periods of austerity, IT'S NORMAL.
The difference with China is that the regime's legitimacy is underpinned by economic health. China is a part of a global capitalist economy, it HAS to go through booms and busts like a normal healthy economy.
But what they've been doing is injecting money non-stop into their industries every time they get so much as a whiff of economic downturn, this leads to more and more subsidies and more and more inefficiency in the long run.
I'm not saying that China will collapse, merely that the CPP cannot keep its current trajectory. The CPP could always choose to reform and avoid all its problems but a reformed China would be closer (or at least more heavily influenced) by the US.
Which is a win for the US either way.
Easy to win a "war" when you just bomb everything on the ground without any regard over human life. As soldiers americans are extremely bad, low training, no discipline, bad equipment, low quality of the officers.
Shut up, you'll never be the man your mother is
You didn't "fuck up". It wasn't a mistake. It was a carefully planned, carefully carried out, looting of a country on it's knees.
The problem is, you fail to understand how restrained Putin is. Americans enjoy saying Putin is like Hitler, but personally I think a closer parallel can be made with Friedrich Ebert. He was the German Chancellor between 1919 and 1925. He allied himself closely with the nationalistic right wing, just as Putin does. He pandered to revanchism, just as Putin does. But the main thing which set him apart from the likes of Hitler, and which he has in common with Putin, was that he gave the Western powers a chance. He brought Germany into the League of Nations. He crushed two anti-Western revolutions, from the left and right.
And what did the West give him in return? The Treaty of Versailles. The French Occupation of the Ruhr. Bankruptcy. Demilitarisation. War guilt. The very idea that he would be able to justify this to the German people was ridiculous, just as the idea that Putin can justify what happened to the Russian people in the 90s is ridiculous.
And now we have another Cold War, just as we had another World War.
Oh yes you believe the myth that those bad arabs crashed a plane into a building and somehow three towers went down. From two planes. Very. Logical.
Why don't you go get raped by a Somali
Muh freedom muh genocide muh killing civilians for my masters that use me as dumb cattle
If we're still talking about the financial stuff, it wasn't as planned out as you say it was because we got pulled by the undertow as well when we almost lost the entire basis for western style democracy during the pseudo implosion of capitalism that was 2008.
Just because our turn for reckoning came later than others doesn't mean that we didn't believe what we were selling.
>aww shucks marlene dem ayrabs have dun crashed an aireoplane into the new yoik buildins
>dubya says we gotta invade eye-rack, let's do this, murrica
It wasn't a mistake, it was plundering of a country with 60 trillion dollars of natural resources. You can't expect any neo-con worth his salt to turn down an opportunity like that.
Would be nice if the whole world just decided to wipe out america off the map, nuke the whole fucking country so we get rid of these fucking asshats. They just destroy everything, people's cultures, money system, values.
The only place in Yurop with the resources available like we do would be Russia, and they squandered it on dumb drunk slavs living in shitty depressed comblocs in the middle of Siberia.
Some could argue that it's how Americans for the longest time were very outgoing and wanted to see shit get done.
Imagine if the american state owns most of the bigger companies and the resources, then the american state falls into disorder for a brief time and russia funds criminals in america to buy these formerly state owned companies to weaken america and profit themselfes. All while your family is starving, people have no jobs, food, money and are utterly degraded.
Would you like russia then?
Instead of helping russia you jumped on them like a hyena. This is what you are. Disgusting creatures.
Well apparently the Swedish shitposter thinks that the DNA in Americans has evolved to be completely independent of European DNA since the late 18th century. I don't think he knows how evolution works.
The difference is that it is our business. It is not your business. It was not your business to starve millions of germans in ww1 or in ww2. It was not your business to napalm bomb millions of vietnamese, or to kill millions of arabs. It was not your business to bomb serbia back into the stoneage.
Get that through your skull.
>implying I had any say in this
Why punish someone for something they have no involvement in? Perhaps we should have killed every single German citizen after WW2 because they lived in the country that started it.
>The United States is technically an European country because it's where it originates from.
That is changing rapidly. America is a dying empire thanks to events set in motion by the hippies.
>It was not your business to napalm bomb millions of vietnamese, or to kill millions of arabs. It was not your business to bomb serbia back into the stoneage.
es it was, because we could and we decided to. you nor anyone else is in any position to stop us from doing so, all you can do is get assblasted over it.
>It's kinda like how even the purest Native American is only 1/16 Native American.
FFFUUUUUUUUG... I was talking to animefaggot!
Also take into account where Islamic Fundamentalism is today.
>2001: bunch of old men in Pakistan, some illiterate shepherds in Afghanistan
>2015: Caliphate established in the centre of the middle east, hundreds of thousands of Muslims fighting for the ideals of Al Qaeda as a cohesive army, shadow governments in every Muslim country, low level insurgency in most European countries, West in a state of perpetual hysteria
We fucking lost, jesus christ, we lost so bad.
>muh might makes right
The inevitable American fail-safe argument.
Military supremacy, no.
But economic supremacy?
As early as 1870, the USA had matched the UK's economic output. Considering the UK was the premier European empire at that time (really, from 1840 to 1900 during the Victorian Era) that's pretty outrageous.
In terms of military, the USA did take a long time to catch up. We only managed to rebel successfully thanks to France, and after that point we really only fought with natives and pseudo-natives (like the Mexicans in 1840s). The Spanish-American War in 1898 was probably the tipping point.
Sure, the Spanish empire was on its way out by that point, but the USA still had to create a good navy to take over the Philippines and Cuba. From 1900 to 1940 our military finally got upgraded enough to catch up.
>sweden saying this
jesus christ it's like you're not even self-aware
oh right, aspergers
Feeling's mutual, Klaus. Your delusions aside, your future is much bleaker than mine.
But feel free to come to this American-made and operated website to gripe about it impotently, while we continue to own your shitty little butthurt country that will never reach the heights it did
Enjoy your muslims too bb
This is why you are such a repulsive human with an equally repulsive nation. You lack all the qualities that make up a human, kindness, empathy, looking at things from an other perspective, looking out for eachother. The only thing you see is this dystopian Ayn Rand viewpoint where everything you do has to serve your own selfishness, screw everybody else.
This is inherently anti human, and anti logos which will lead to your demise.
>He blames you, and he's quite justified.
In what way is that guy responsible for this swede autist's life, let alone what America's geopolitical influence has done to Sweden? Get a fucking grip you clown. You are literally mentally ill, obsessed with blaming the US for all your inadequacies. It's pathetic.
>American on /int/
>sometimes says some stupid shit, sometimes spams USA USA USA USA in threads, sometimes calls other countries weak, overall not too bad of people
>European on /int/
>FUCK AMERICA FUCK YOU GUYS YOU SHOULD BE BOMBED TO DEATH AND COMPLETELY DESTROYED
>AMERICANS ARE FAGGOTS FUCK YOU GUYS
I'm all for playful banter, but this thread is way beyond banter.
>You lack all the qualities that make up a human, kindness, empathy, looking at things from an other perspective, looking out for eachother.
I give that to my countrymen who would have my back, not to some piece of shit from a different land that is hostile and untrustworthy. It's called being intelligent. you seem to lack that, and thus you also lack strength, conviction and ability.
American politicians back the government which imports Somalis by the boat load, American media backs the shit-tier culture which tells their children that fucking niggers is cool, American money back the financiers which steal resources from the native Swedish people.
>but why does he persecute me so?
at least they don't kill muslims like you, racists, do
Are you sure you aren't describing yourself? You want to nuke an entire country and kill every citizen in it, regardless of involvement in any previous wrongdoing, and you call us evil?
He's obviously been browsing /pol/ a little too much lately.
> Approximately 3.5 percent of European Americans have 1 percent or more African ancestry. Many of these European Americans who describe themselves as “white” may be unaware of their African ancestry since the African ancestor may be 5–10 generations in the past.
you dumb shit
>these yuros are so butthurt they waste hours of time flaming America in this one thread
this is how you pick out the autists, folks
I could sit here and post endless shit about the UK, but I'm not 13 years old and desperate for attention so I won't do that. I think it's sad you need to try this hard to validate your hilarious butthurt toward the US. Is there literally nothing else you could be doing? Like, you know, helping to make sure your own country doesn't become New Pakistan?
>have been the sole source of legitimacy for the CPP.
This, right on the dime.
I spent four years for my undergrad degree in international politics, and my entire thesis was about this topic. The specific term for it is "performance legitimacy."
The gist of it is that governments of countries have mandates to rule, reaching back far into history. Divine right is the religious claim of royalty to rule, blood right is that of lineage (occasionally intertwined with divine right), and in modern history democratic elections also legitimize the ruling party. If "loser" parties who did not win the election do not respect the vote, the system would be quite dysfunctional.
For dictatorships and other totalitarian ruling parties, there's a final type of legitimacy, one that isn't divine/blood/democratic in nature. Performance legitimacy is when the ruling party takes authoritarian actions to improve the living conditions of the subjects. At least, there needs to be the appearance of improvement -- actual improvement is not necessary. So long as the subject's morale is above a certain threshold (above rebellion) the subject is willing to forfeit their freedom and rights so that they may have food on the table. Or wealth, or jobs, or anything of that nature.
This has happened in the past in many countries, Europe not excluded. Germans forfeited their freedom so that Hitler could fulfill his promise of reducing inflation. Italians forfeited their freedom so that Mussolini could run the trains on time. And of course, going back beyond Christianity will yield more.
What usually ends up happening, though, is that some sort of merchant class arises and demands political representation. I'm no expert on Spengler or Decline of the West (it wasn't in my thesis) but the merchant class eventually grows more powerful than the dictators are, with more influence thanks to money. The oppression of the dictators must grow or the merchants overthrow the authoritarian regime.
Let me explain you why I think america is the greatest evil that has ever existed on the face of the earth.
Before ww2 sweden was a rich and prosperous nation.
After ww2 when sweden came under the sphere of influence of america, EVERYTHING went to fucking shit. REAL FUCKING FAST.
The socialism went fucking mad in the 50's with more and more socialism, imposed by the americans, then came the sexual revolution, from the americans, the crony capitalism, from america, the immigration laws changed drastically in the 70's to look more like america. Instead of having a nice, solid ethnic group of people we got told, from america to take in more immigrants. We were told to sponser the terrorist mandela, because america said so.
Everything you can possible imagine have america corrupted. From clothes to food, to our way of thinking to our language. Instead of looking out for eachother like we used to do, we were told to be more selfish, to "win", to make money.
The wars that america have started have just made it all much worse from the balkan wars that really flooded the gates to the sluaghter in iraq.
>After ww2 when sweden came under the sphere of influence of america, EVERYTHING went to fucking shit. REAL FUCKING FAST.
you let this happen
everything else after that in your post is excuses.
Butthurt country? Your country is full of lies, fat people, patriotism and propaganda. You only reached the moon because of the Germans, your "stealth bomber"is a copy of a German WW2 airplane .Germany/EU has the best technology,better culture and far better cars.
yeah, you kill black muslims inside US and arab muslims outside it. that's strange.
>Supporting socialism in the 50's
I doubt it since we were going through the Red Scare and anything left of center-right was considered gommie :DDDD.
Sexual revolution? Please, even nude beaches are a no-go here.
I can see the other stuff, but don't blame your shit on us. You retards elected those politicians. Blame it on them.
Long story short, there's another thing called a "GDP ceiling" in which countries can get up to about $10,000 USD GDP per capita and then start having problems with their citizens demanding democratic representation.
This fits in with Spengler's assertion that the merchant class will eventually bend the political system to its will when they finally reach that amount of power.
Right now China's at $6800 GDP per capita, with interior provinces in Xinjiang still being poor pieces of shit. We'll have to see if they break that soft ceiling while still having an authoritarian government. Or if the government will lie to its people and say "oh yeah, we passed $15k GDP/capita a long time ago" when it's really at $10k.
Listen to the french bro!
We once were one nation, but then France took a turn and transformed it self away from us. We are cuturally heading in opposite directions.
China on the other hand is faaar faaar away but they are comming closer day by day.
/cum/ is the most awkward, forced general i've ever seen. It's so embarrassing I have to scroll quickly past it because of the sheer cringe of those stupid photos with the flags shopped on.
>look, the one with the american flag has a gun, haha whatta meme
>>Let me explain you why I think america is the greatest evil that has ever existed on the face of the earth.
>Before ww2 sweden was a rich and prosperous nation.
>After ww2 when sweden came under the sphere of influence of america, EVERYTHING went to fucking shit. REAL FUCKING FAST.
Tough shit, faggot. All Swedes did in WW2 was profit off of people dying while acting self-righteous about it. Literally fall off a cliff.